Grrrrrr8

Quoted message said:

Reminds me of buying a Dell computer... when completing the on screen
instructions you have to state whether you will be using the computer
for any illegal or terrorist activities.... DUH!

Same when I arranged an overdraft. AFAIK I'm on record as spending £1250 on
a packet of crisps.

Mark Thompson said:

Same when I arranged an overdraft. AFAIK I'm on record as spending £1250 on
a packet of crisps.

Openend a websaver account a couple of years ago. Was told to come in with
ID to activate the account. First question: how much do you expect to put
into it?

Roos

dave said:

A long while ago my dad bought a rifle at Kmart. It was a stirling semi
auto in .22 RMF

To our amazement it turned out to be a full auto. And a dangerous POS

How was it dangerous, other than the bleedin' obvious?

R.

On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:09:37 +0100, Jon Senior

jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk said:

I ended up having my basket searched (Oo-er) and
handing over my name and address so that they could look me up in their
database of known terrorists.
Am I the only one who thinks that outsmarting this level of policing is
well within the abilities of the average four year old?

Obviously we need national identity cards to stop this problem!

Guy
--
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http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

Buck said:

If you go to a gun fair in the U.S., at least in most States, you can
buy a fully automatic weapon and ammo, and no verification or security
checks are required.

If you go to a car dealer in the UK you can buy a fully automatic
weapon and ammo, and no verification or security checks are required.

In either case, you're expected to be one of the majority who
don't kill anyone with their weapon. After all, it's not like
such an obvious terrorist activity as opening a bank account,
for which you need a great deal of proving-your-identity faff.

--
Not me guv

you know? said:

On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:09:37 +0100, Jon Senior wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I ended up having my basket searched (Oo-er) and handing over my name and
address so that they could look me up in their database of known
terrorists. Am I the only one who thinks that outsmarting this level of
policing is well within the abilities of the average four year old?

Quoted message said:

Obviously we need national identity cards to stop this problem!

Quoted message said:

Guy

What a novel idea, you should be in politics Guy.

--

Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

Buck said:

If you go to a gun fair in the U.S., at least in most States, you can
buy a fully automatic weapon and ammo, and no verification or security
checks are required.

<ob_cycling>
If you go to the WHPSC in Battle Mountain, you can get to play with Fast
Freddy's M16 and AK47 if you ask nicely.
</ob_cycling>

Mack Martin tried to give me a small-calibre rifle round as a souvenir and
found it very difficult to believe that were HM Legalised Bandits to find it
in my luggage, I should be in Belmarsh, married to the person with the most
cigarettes, in very short order.

--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
It is not possible to call a complex number from a phone box.

Richard said:

dave said:

A long while ago my dad bought a rifle at Kmart. It was a stirling
semi auto in .22 RMF

To our amazement it turned out to be a full auto. And a dangerous POS

How was it dangerous, other than the bleedin' obvious?

R.

Hah
Maybe I should mention that Kmart is our Sainsburys ?

Well it shot thru about 3 minutes of arc which means it was inacurate [censored].

It was a full auto which means it burned off the mag of 20 rounds in
about 2 secs. Which isnt dangerous in itself but when unexpected
well... And was certainly illegal.

But it never actually did cos it jammed at about round 5 every time.

But what was really dangerous was that about the 4th burst we put thru
it.. it fired a round.. the bolt came back with the extracter jaws on
the back of the round.. it went to kick it sideways so that the round
should have ejected... the round remained in the extractor jaws and I
guess half ejected if you can visulise this. THe bolt went forward
loading the next round but the empty case remained behind the round and
was pushed forward and crushed sideways behind the round.

The bolt couldnt lock of course. But apparently there was no safety to
stop it firing anyway. The pin went thru the epty case and fired the
round in the chamber. The bolt blew back since it wasnt locked. and I
got an ear full of bits of brass.

When we pulled the thing down we found a long scorch mark down the side
of every round in the mag.

[censored]. Havnt fired a stirling since.

It went back 🙂

Just zis Guy said:

Obviously we need national identity cards to stop this problem!

Did anyone mention this:

url:http://blipart.com/images/idcards.swf

in here?

Requires Flash, sound and a healthy disregard for beardy Fascists with joke
comedy ears; comes heartily endorsed by Mr. Hugh Paterson.

--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
It is not possible to call a complex number from a phone box.

Jon Senior wrote:

[Dibble-O-BLEAN]

Quoted message said:

Am I the only one who thinks that outsmarting this level of policing
is well within the abilities of the average four year old?

Tsk, Mr Senior, you are so obviously a ruth-free bomb-throwing anarchist
that it is clear that Plod is taking the mick. MI5 have been watching you -
via your TV set if you have such a thing - for years.

--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
If you are choking on an ice cube, simply pour a jug of boiling water
down your throat and presto! The blockage is almost instantly removed.

dave said:

The bolt couldnt lock of course. But apparently there was no safety to
stop it firing anyway. The pin went thru the epty case and fired the
round in the chamber. The bolt blew back since it wasnt locked. and I
got an ear full of bits of brass.

Yikes.

I once saw the aftereffects of someone loading a 20-gauge cartridge into
a 12-gauge shotgun [1], whereupon it dropped down the barrel a bit and
stopped. Nothing happened when it was fired, since the cartridge was
well out of range of the firing pin. Whereupon they had a brainfart and
simply loaded in a 12-gauge cartridge and fired it up the [censored] of the
20-gauge. The shotgun blew apart. We were shown this as a good
illustration of how not to have a brainfart when messing around with
loaded guns.

R.

[1] The numbers could be wrong, but it was definitely small into big.
I'm not a gun expert.

dave said:

The bolt couldnt lock of course. But apparently there was no
safety to stop it firing anyway. The pin went thru the epty case
and fired the round in the chamber. The bolt blew back since it
wasnt locked. and I got an ear full of bits of brass.

When we pulled the thing down we found a long scorch mark down the
side of every round in the mag.

[censored]. Havnt fired a stirling since.

It went back 🙂

Do the MoD know about it? Sounds ideal for the British Army.

--
Dave...

Richard said:

dave said:

The bolt couldnt lock of course. But apparently there was no safety
to stop it firing anyway. The pin went thru the epty case and fired
the round in the chamber. The bolt blew back since it wasnt locked.
and I got an ear full of bits of brass.

Yikes.

I once saw the aftereffects of someone loading a 20-gauge cartridge into
a 12-gauge shotgun [1], whereupon it dropped down the barrel a bit and
stopped. Nothing happened when it was fired, since the cartridge was
well out of range of the firing pin. Whereupon they had a brainfart and
simply loaded in a 12-gauge cartridge and fired it up the [censored] of the
20-gauge. The shotgun blew apart. We were shown this as a good
illustration of how not to have a brainfart when messing around with
loaded guns.

R.

[1] The numbers could be wrong, but it was definitely small into big.
I'm not a gun expert.

Yeah that sounds right. Natural selection operates with guns as with
all dangerous machinery.

The more common one that I have seen is old shotguns firing modern
cartridges. Some old shottys had the barrels made up from some complex
forging rocess involving many strips of steel. These are up to nearly
200 years old. Some are 12 or 20 guages and since there are only a
couple of good designs for a shotgun not too different from something
modern so its a far more understandable mistake.

A lethal one tho

dkahn400 said:

dave said:

The bolt couldnt lock of course. But apparently there was no
safety to stop it firing anyway. The pin went thru the epty case
and fired the round in the chamber. The bolt blew back since it
wasnt locked. and I got an ear full of bits of brass.

When we pulled the thing down we found a long scorch mark down the
side of every round in the mag.

[censored]. Havnt fired a stirling since.

It went back 🙂

Do the MoD know about it? Sounds ideal for the British Army.

My own impression is that the action was based on that for the stirling
SMG produced for the british army. Which was, said my dad ¨ a piece of
[censored]¨

I could be wrong about that.

On 07/06/2005 11:17:42 Nick Kew said:

Buck wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you go to a gun fair in the U.S., at least in most States, you can buy
a fully automatic weapon and ammo, and no verification or security checks
are required.

Quoted message said:

If you go to a car dealer in the UK you can buy a fully automatic weapon
and ammo, and no verification or security checks are required.

Quoted message said:

In either case, you're expected to be one of the majority who don't kill
anyone with their weapon. After all, it's not like such an obvious
terrorist activity as opening a bank account, for which you need a great
deal of proving-your-identity faff.

You can't conceal a car under your coat and walk into a school or a
theatre with it.

--

Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

Buck said:

You can't conceal a car under your coat and walk into a school or a
theatre with it.

Unless you are the size of the average Texan ;-)

Guy
--
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http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

Buck said:

On 07/06/2005 11:17:42 Nick Kew said:

Buck wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you go to a gun fair in the U.S., at least in most States, you can buy
a fully automatic weapon and ammo, and no verification or security checks
are required.

Quoted message said:

If you go to a car dealer in the UK you can buy a fully automatic weapon
and ammo, and no verification or security checks are required.

Quoted message said:

In either case, you're expected to be one of the majority who don't kill
anyone with their weapon. After all, it's not like such an obvious
terrorist activity as opening a bank account, for which you need a great
deal of proving-your-identity faff.

You can't conceal a car under your coat and walk into a school or a
theatre with it.

Was a guy in Alice springs who drove into a bar with a Semi. Killed
several people. One of our more successfull mass murders

On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:09:37 +0100 someone who may be Jon Senior
<jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Plod: "Evening sir. We're just doing routine checks on anyone in this
area because of the high risk. Would you mind me taking your details"
Me: "Er... yes actually".

You should have asked them on what grounds they wanted your name and
address. http://www.g8legalsupport.info/ has information on this.

You should certainly complain to your Councillor and MSP, e-mail
addresses are available. What the police are hoping is that there
will not be a comeback from them abusing their powers. The more
people complain the more they will get the message. The price of
freedom is eternal vigilance. We must constantly protect hard won
freedoms against petty officials that would enslave us.

Quoted message said:

Am I the only one who thinks that outsmarting this level of policing is
well within the abilities of the average four year old?

Simply drive onto the bridge, arrange a "crash", get out and suspend
banners/people from bridge. Easy peasy. They have picked on cyclists
because they think they can get away with it, while they have not
picked on motorists because they think there would be too much
trouble.

Today they were picking on some motorists for the first time,
presumably the ones that didn't look "normal".

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E
I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000.

David Hansen said:

Simply drive onto the bridge, arrange a "crash", get out and suspend
banners/people from bridge. Easy peasy. They have picked on cyclists
because they think they can get away with it, while they have not
picked on motorists because they think there would be too much
trouble.

A runner on uk.rec.running was stopped and questioned 6 times during a
short run that took 55 minutes after the stoppages!

Colin

In article said:

Yes, next step after compulsory helmets will be compulsory "sensible"
bikes. We'll all be forced to ride uprights with three speed hubs and
chain guards to the polling stations.

I must get round to building a three speed hub 406 rim wheel for my
folder. I don't get this singlespeed mystique thing, though I'm sure
trying to whirl my legs round at high speed is good training.
(The hub is still in the old steel rimmed 440 (500A) wheel, I have
a singlespeed 406 wheel as a temporary measure.)