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On Aug 28, 2:34 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 12:26 pm, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On Aug 27, 10:58 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > On Aug 27, 6:35 am, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
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> > > > On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:41:49 -0700, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
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> > > > >(http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/aug07/aug26news)
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> > > > >Greg makes some interesting suggestions, but I have problems with some
> > > > >of them.
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> > > > >Not really sure how much good this would do. After all they can always
> > > > >dope during the night or some other time. Secondly isolated from
> > > > >whom..?? One possiblilty would be to have unauthorized people from
> > > > >visting their hotel. This could be a bit onerous since the teams often
> > > > >"stay at more than one hotel.
> > > > >"keeping riders sequestered for two hours before races to eliminate
> > > > >"unauthorized contact,"
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> > > > Keep 'em in a windowless motel like keirin racers.
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> > > > >Oh please Greg this is just another typical cheap shot.
> > > > >"LeMond was also not afraid to take a thinly veiled shot at his fellow
> > > > >Tour winner Lance Armstrong, whose Discovery Channel team announced it
> > > > >would disband after ceasing its search for a new sponsor earlier this
> > > > >month. "I think we're fleshing out a lot of people who are leaving,"
> > > > >he told the newspaper. "I think a lot of people are leaving not
> > > > >because they can't get sponsors, but because [investigators are]
> > > > >getting serious. The guys that have been getting away with it don't
> > > > >want to be caught.""
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> > > > Oh full bucking ****!
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> > > > The reason Disco walked off is that the hysterical, lawless antidoping hysteria
> > > > has made it impossible for them to obtain a sponsor. The situation is so insane
> > > > that they could not in good faith even promise that they would be able to enter
> > > > next year's Tour as a team.
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> > > > All it takes is, what? Someone at ASO not liking something about you, or going
> > > > with national teams or some history about Contador and they aren't invited.
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> > > > Who's going to invest $15,000,000 into a team under the present system.
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> > > > Thanks for helping the riders out, Greg. The calm and perspective a cooler,
> > > > older head can provide is really going to help the sport.
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> > > > Ron
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> > > Discovery is largely responsible for it's own breakup. They knew there
> > > was already a lot of controversy flying around after the Landis
> > > incident. To hire a rider like Basso who had questionable reputation
> > > exposed Discovery to unacceptable risks. I am amazed that Bruyneel did
> > > not fully realize the implications of hiring Basso.- Hide quoted text -
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> One has to look at the overall situation and how it affects the teams
> reputation. Sponsors are fed up and very leary of being tainted with
> dopers. In my mind hiring Basso posed a unacceptable risk to the
> teams reputation.
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> > Yeah, but if the Puerto thing had fizzled out, Bruyneel would be
> > considered a brilliant director for having hired Basso. I applaud him
> > for having the courage to take an 'innocent until proven guilty'
> > approach in his dealings with Basso. I doubt you agree, given your
> > history of calls for lifetime bans for even first time drug
> > infractions. You strike me as somewhat inflexible and a bit too
> > 'black and white' in your thinking.- Hide quoted text -
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Well, at least you admit it's your view, which implies that others
might see it differently.
> On Aug 27, 12:26 pm, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On Aug 27, 10:58 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > On Aug 27, 6:35 am, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
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> > > > On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:41:49 -0700, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
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> > > > >(http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/aug07/aug26news)
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> > > > >Greg makes some interesting suggestions, but I have problems with some
> > > > >of them.
>
> > > > >Not really sure how much good this would do. After all they can always
> > > > >dope during the night or some other time. Secondly isolated from
> > > > >whom..?? One possiblilty would be to have unauthorized people from
> > > > >visting their hotel. This could be a bit onerous since the teams often
> > > > >"stay at more than one hotel.
> > > > >"keeping riders sequestered for two hours before races to eliminate
> > > > >"unauthorized contact,"
>
> > > > Keep 'em in a windowless motel like keirin racers.
>
> > > > >Oh please Greg this is just another typical cheap shot.
> > > > >"LeMond was also not afraid to take a thinly veiled shot at his fellow
> > > > >Tour winner Lance Armstrong, whose Discovery Channel team announced it
> > > > >would disband after ceasing its search for a new sponsor earlier this
> > > > >month. "I think we're fleshing out a lot of people who are leaving,"
> > > > >he told the newspaper. "I think a lot of people are leaving not
> > > > >because they can't get sponsors, but because [investigators are]
> > > > >getting serious. The guys that have been getting away with it don't
> > > > >want to be caught.""
>
> > > > Oh full bucking ****!
>
> > > > The reason Disco walked off is that the hysterical, lawless antidoping hysteria
> > > > has made it impossible for them to obtain a sponsor. The situation is so insane
> > > > that they could not in good faith even promise that they would be able to enter
> > > > next year's Tour as a team.
>
> > > > All it takes is, what? Someone at ASO not liking something about you, or going
> > > > with national teams or some history about Contador and they aren't invited.
>
> > > > Who's going to invest $15,000,000 into a team under the present system.
>
> > > > Thanks for helping the riders out, Greg. The calm and perspective a cooler,
> > > > older head can provide is really going to help the sport.
>
> > > > Ron
>
> > > Discovery is largely responsible for it's own breakup. They knew there
> > > was already a lot of controversy flying around after the Landis
> > > incident. To hire a rider like Basso who had questionable reputation
> > > exposed Discovery to unacceptable risks. I am amazed that Bruyneel did
> > > not fully realize the implications of hiring Basso.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
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> One has to look at the overall situation and how it affects the teams
> reputation. Sponsors are fed up and very leary of being tainted with
> dopers. In my mind hiring Basso posed a unacceptable risk to the
> teams reputation.
>
>
>
> > Yeah, but if the Puerto thing had fizzled out, Bruyneel would be
> > considered a brilliant director for having hired Basso. I applaud him
> > for having the courage to take an 'innocent until proven guilty'
> > approach in his dealings with Basso. I doubt you agree, given your
> > history of calls for lifetime bans for even first time drug
> > infractions. You strike me as somewhat inflexible and a bit too
> > 'black and white' in your thinking.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, at least you admit it's your view, which implies that others
might see it differently.
