Greg Lemond on doping problems...



(http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/aug07/aug26news )

Greg makes some interesting suggestions, but I have problems with some
of them.

Not really sure how much good this would do. After all they can always
dope during the night or some other time. Secondly isolated from
whom..?? One possiblilty would be to have unauthorized people from
visting their hotel. This could be a bit onerous since the teams often
"stay at more than one hotel.
"keeping riders sequestered for two hours before races to eliminate
"unauthorized contact,"
"
This seems like a very good idea
"increasing the number of randomly tested riders to 20"

Another good idea, but some riders have naturally higher levels.
"lowering the hematocrit limit to 46 percent - the upper end of the
range considered normal in medical tests".

Another good idea, but does not go far enough. Lifetime first use bans
must be established.
"He also wants to see higher penalties for those caught cheating, but
an additional consideration for those who would act as informants."

Seems to me this is already illegal...!!
""In LeMond's ideal situation, "There would be the ability to plea-
bargain prison sentences, so when riders get busted they can rat out
the system and come back to racing in much heavier testing." He went
on to say that doping "needs to be criminalized because they are
trafficking in illegal drugs. They are prescription drugs, but they
are being illegally distributed throughout the peloton.""


Oh please Greg this is just another typical cheap shot.
"LeMond was also not afraid to take a thinly veiled shot at his fellow
Tour winner Lance Armstrong, whose Discovery Channel team announced it
would disband after ceasing its search for a new sponsor earlier this
month. "I think we're fleshing out a lot of people who are leaving,"
he told the newspaper. "I think a lot of people are leaving not
because they can't get sponsors, but because [investigators are]
getting serious. The guys that have been getting away with it don't
want to be caught.""

In this case it's whether Taylors father has set a good example with
doping not the sport.
"Despite claiming that he was "the most optimistic I have been in
years" about the state of the sport, he still holds some reservations
about seeing youngsters starting their careers in professional
cycling. LeMond's contemporary Davis Phinney has a son, Taylor, who
just won a gold medal in the Junior World Championships, and LeMond
has mixed feelings about his success. "He could be one of our most
talented riders coming up," LeMond said.

"At first I thought, 'Oh, I'm so happy for him, and then I thought,
'Oh, I'm so sad for him.' Because I don't know if I was the parent,
and my son would have won the worlds that I would allow him to pursue
it on the professional level," LeMond continued. "I am optimistic that
there is a change and it's shifting, and that maybe Taylor Phinney can
have a chance like I did where you don't have to decide to either sell
your soul to be part of a sport, or having your dignity and be proud
of doing it on your own." "
 
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:41:49 -0700, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>(http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/aug07/aug26news )
>
>Greg makes some interesting suggestions, but I have problems with some
>of them.
>
>Not really sure how much good this would do. After all they can always
>dope during the night or some other time. Secondly isolated from
>whom..?? One possiblilty would be to have unauthorized people from
>visting their hotel. This could be a bit onerous since the teams often
>"stay at more than one hotel.
>"keeping riders sequestered for two hours before races to eliminate
>"unauthorized contact,"


Keep 'em in a windowless motel like keirin racers.

>Oh please Greg this is just another typical cheap shot.
>"LeMond was also not afraid to take a thinly veiled shot at his fellow
>Tour winner Lance Armstrong, whose Discovery Channel team announced it
>would disband after ceasing its search for a new sponsor earlier this
>month. "I think we're fleshing out a lot of people who are leaving,"
>he told the newspaper. "I think a lot of people are leaving not
>because they can't get sponsors, but because [investigators are]
>getting serious. The guys that have been getting away with it don't
>want to be caught.""


Oh full bucking ****!

The reason Disco walked off is that the hysterical, lawless antidoping hysteria
has made it impossible for them to obtain a sponsor. The situation is so insane
that they could not in good faith even promise that they would be able to enter
next year's Tour as a team.

All it takes is, what? Someone at ASO not liking something about you, or going
with national teams or some history about Contador and they aren't invited.

Who's going to invest $15,000,000 into a team under the present system.

Thanks for helping the riders out, Greg. The calm and perspective a cooler,
older head can provide is really going to help the sport.

Ron
 
On Aug 27, 6:35 am, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
> The reason Disco walked off is that the hysterical, lawless antidoping hysteria
> has made it impossible for them to obtain a sponsor. The situation is so insane
> that they could not in good faith even promise that they would be able to enter
> next year's Tour as a team.


Well, they claim that they had a prospective sponsor but that they
purposely decided to close shop because of what appeared to be a
threat to any sponsors. I would have taken the same position. What's
happening now is a direct attack on anyone that would sponsor cycling.
What's pitiful is that LeMond is leading the charge. Apparently after
starting the million dollar contracts he now wants to eliminate them.

> All it takes is, what? Someone at ASO not liking something about you, or going
> with national teams or some history about Contador and they aren't invited.


Cycle racing is about to go into the dumper again now that they've
finally risen to the level of a REAL(tm) professional sport.

> Who's going to invest $15,000,000 into a team under the present system.
>
> Thanks for helping the riders out, Greg. The calm and perspective a cooler,
> older head can provide is really going to help the sport.


Well, it's always hard to get a clear picture of what someone is like
from headlines but I'm beginning to doubt the motivation of LeMond.
 
cyclintom wrote:
> Well, it's always hard to get a clear picture of what someone is like
> from headlines but I'm beginning to doubt the motivation of LeMond.


His motivation is anything for a headline.
 
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/aug07/aug26news )
>
> Greg makes some interesting suggestions, but I have problems with some
> of them.


snip...

> Seems to me this is already illegal...!!
> ""In LeMond's ideal situation, "There would be the ability to plea-
> bargain prison sentences, so when riders get busted they can rat out
> the system and come back to racing in much heavier testing." He went
> on to say that doping "needs to be criminalized because they are
> trafficking in illegal drugs. They are prescription drugs, but they
> are being illegally distributed throughout the peloton.""


If Greg is ever accused and ends up on the stand he can avoid prison by
pleading not guilty by reason of insanity.
--
Marty
 
On Aug 27, 6:35 am, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:41:49 -0700, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >(http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/aug07/aug26news )

>
> >Greg makes some interesting suggestions, but I have problems with some
> >of them.

>
> >Not really sure how much good this would do. After all they can always
> >dope during the night or some other time. Secondly isolated from
> >whom..?? One possiblilty would be to have unauthorized people from
> >visting their hotel. This could be a bit onerous since the teams often
> >"stay at more than one hotel.
> >"keeping riders sequestered for two hours before races to eliminate
> >"unauthorized contact,"

>
> Keep 'em in a windowless motel like keirin racers.
>
> >Oh please Greg this is just another typical cheap shot.
> >"LeMond was also not afraid to take a thinly veiled shot at his fellow
> >Tour winner Lance Armstrong, whose Discovery Channel team announced it
> >would disband after ceasing its search for a new sponsor earlier this
> >month. "I think we're fleshing out a lot of people who are leaving,"
> >he told the newspaper. "I think a lot of people are leaving not
> >because they can't get sponsors, but because [investigators are]
> >getting serious. The guys that have been getting away with it don't
> >want to be caught.""

>
> Oh full bucking ****!
>
> The reason Disco walked off is that the hysterical, lawless antidoping hysteria
> has made it impossible for them to obtain a sponsor. The situation is so insane
> that they could not in good faith even promise that they would be able to enter
> next year's Tour as a team.
>
> All it takes is, what? Someone at ASO not liking something about you, or going
> with national teams or some history about Contador and they aren't invited.
>
> Who's going to invest $15,000,000 into a team under the present system.
>
> Thanks for helping the riders out, Greg. The calm and perspective a cooler,
> older head can provide is really going to help the sport.
>
> Ron


Discovery is largely responsible for it's own breakup. They knew there
was already a lot of controversy flying around after the Landis
incident. To hire a rider like Basso who had questionable reputation
exposed Discovery to unacceptable risks. I am amazed that Bruyneel did
not fully realize the implications of hiring Basso.
 
"Donald Munro" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> cyclintom wrote:
>> Well, it's always hard to get a clear picture of what someone is like
>> from headlines but I'm beginning to doubt the motivation of LeMond.

>
> His motivation is anything for a headline.
>


I don't know him at all but it sure seems that he needs constant attention
from the media. He managed to make sure that he was a central part of both
the LA bonus arbitration and the FL doping hearing.

What are the chances that FL would confess to Greg in a phone call after he
already knew how Greg had represented the telephone call he had with LA
concerning doping?
 
On Aug 27, 10:58 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 6:35 am, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:41:49 -0700, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:

>
> > >(http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/aug07/aug26news)

>
> > >Greg makes some interesting suggestions, but I have problems with some
> > >of them.

>
> > >Not really sure how much good this would do. After all they can always
> > >dope during the night or some other time. Secondly isolated from
> > >whom..?? One possiblilty would be to have unauthorized people from
> > >visting their hotel. This could be a bit onerous since the teams often
> > >"stay at more than one hotel.
> > >"keeping riders sequestered for two hours before races to eliminate
> > >"unauthorized contact,"

>
> > Keep 'em in a windowless motel like keirin racers.

>
> > >Oh please Greg this is just another typical cheap shot.
> > >"LeMond was also not afraid to take a thinly veiled shot at his fellow
> > >Tour winner Lance Armstrong, whose Discovery Channel team announced it
> > >would disband after ceasing its search for a new sponsor earlier this
> > >month. "I think we're fleshing out a lot of people who are leaving,"
> > >he told the newspaper. "I think a lot of people are leaving not
> > >because they can't get sponsors, but because [investigators are]
> > >getting serious. The guys that have been getting away with it don't
> > >want to be caught.""

>
> > Oh full bucking ****!

>
> > The reason Disco walked off is that the hysterical, lawless antidoping hysteria
> > has made it impossible for them to obtain a sponsor. The situation is so insane
> > that they could not in good faith even promise that they would be able to enter
> > next year's Tour as a team.

>
> > All it takes is, what? Someone at ASO not liking something about you, or going
> > with national teams or some history about Contador and they aren't invited.

>
> > Who's going to invest $15,000,000 into a team under the present system.

>
> > Thanks for helping the riders out, Greg. The calm and perspective a cooler,
> > older head can provide is really going to help the sport.

>
> > Ron

>
> Discovery is largely responsible for it's own breakup. They knew there
> was already a lot of controversy flying around after the Landis
> incident. To hire a rider like Basso who had questionable reputation
> exposed Discovery to unacceptable risks. I am amazed that Bruyneel did
> not fully realize the implications of hiring Basso.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Yeah, but if the Puerto thing had fizzled out, Bruyneel would be
considered a brilliant director for having hired Basso. I applaud him
for having the courage to take an 'innocent until proven guilty'
approach in his dealings with Basso. I doubt you agree, given your
history of calls for lifetime bans for even first time drug
infractions. You strike me as somewhat inflexible and a bit too
'black and white' in your thinking.
 
On Aug 27, 8:20 am, Donald Munro <[email protected]> wrote:
> cyclintom wrote:
> > Well, it's always hard to get a clear picture of what someone is like
> > from headlines but I'm beginning to doubt the motivation of LeMond.

>
> His motivation is anything for a headline.


Don't sell Greg short. I think that he really wants to see a clean
sport but I don't think he understands all of the problems with trying
to get a clean sport. The guy has been a millionaire almost since he
was a teenager and he probably doesn't have a good perspective of
other riders.

I don't believe that he understands just how difficult the problem is.
If Bill Clinton was snorting coke in the oval office just how much
control are you going to have on guys who have to work a really ****
poor job if they don't do good at cycling?
 
"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Aug 27, 10:58 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Aug 27, 6:35 am, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:41:49 -0700, "[email protected]"
>> > <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:

>>
>> > >(http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/aug07/aug26news)

>>
>> > >Greg makes some interesting suggestions, but I have problems with some
>> > >of them.

>>
>> > >Not really sure how much good this would do. After all they can always
>> > >dope during the night or some other time. Secondly isolated from
>> > >whom..?? One possiblilty would be to have unauthorized people from
>> > >visting their hotel. This could be a bit onerous since the teams often
>> > >"stay at more than one hotel.
>> > >"keeping riders sequestered for two hours before races to eliminate
>> > >"unauthorized contact,"

>>
>> > Keep 'em in a windowless motel like keirin racers.

>>
>> > >Oh please Greg this is just another typical cheap shot.
>> > >"LeMond was also not afraid to take a thinly veiled shot at his fellow
>> > >Tour winner Lance Armstrong, whose Discovery Channel team announced it
>> > >would disband after ceasing its search for a new sponsor earlier this
>> > >month. "I think we're fleshing out a lot of people who are leaving,"
>> > >he told the newspaper. "I think a lot of people are leaving not
>> > >because they can't get sponsors, but because [investigators are]
>> > >getting serious. The guys that have been getting away with it don't
>> > >want to be caught.""

>>
>> > Oh full bucking ****!

>>
>> > The reason Disco walked off is that the hysterical, lawless antidoping
>> > hysteria
>> > has made it impossible for them to obtain a sponsor. The situation is
>> > so insane
>> > that they could not in good faith even promise that they would be able
>> > to enter
>> > next year's Tour as a team.

>>
>> > All it takes is, what? Someone at ASO not liking something about you,
>> > or going
>> > with national teams or some history about Contador and they aren't
>> > invited.

>>
>> > Who's going to invest $15,000,000 into a team under the present system.

>>
>> > Thanks for helping the riders out, Greg. The calm and perspective a
>> > cooler,
>> > older head can provide is really going to help the sport.

>>
>> > Ron

>>
>> Discovery is largely responsible for it's own breakup. They knew there
>> was already a lot of controversy flying around after the Landis
>> incident. To hire a rider like Basso who had questionable reputation
>> exposed Discovery to unacceptable risks. I am amazed that Bruyneel did
>> not fully realize the implications of hiring Basso.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

>
> Yeah, but if the Puerto thing had fizzled out, Bruyneel would be
> considered a brilliant director for having hired Basso. I applaud him
> for having the courage to take an 'innocent until proven guilty'
> approach in his dealings with Basso. I doubt you agree, given your
> history of calls for lifetime bans for even first time drug
> infractions. You strike me as somewhat inflexible and a bit too
> 'black and white' in your thinking.


Bruyneel was happy to bring on Basso because Basso is a proven contender who
had a reputation as a doper. It would be easy to cultivate Basso's
potential in a program that included doping, but was sophisticated enough to
beat the controls.
 
On Aug 27, 12:26 pm, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 10:58 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 27, 6:35 am, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:

>
> > > On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:41:49 -0700, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:

>
> > > >(http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/aug07/aug26news)

>
> > > >Greg makes some interesting suggestions, but I have problems with some
> > > >of them.

>
> > > >Not really sure how much good this would do. After all they can always
> > > >dope during the night or some other time. Secondly isolated from
> > > >whom..?? One possiblilty would be to have unauthorized people from
> > > >visting their hotel. This could be a bit onerous since the teams often
> > > >"stay at more than one hotel.
> > > >"keeping riders sequestered for two hours before races to eliminate
> > > >"unauthorized contact,"

>
> > > Keep 'em in a windowless motel like keirin racers.

>
> > > >Oh please Greg this is just another typical cheap shot.
> > > >"LeMond was also not afraid to take a thinly veiled shot at his fellow
> > > >Tour winner Lance Armstrong, whose Discovery Channel team announced it
> > > >would disband after ceasing its search for a new sponsor earlier this
> > > >month. "I think we're fleshing out a lot of people who are leaving,"
> > > >he told the newspaper. "I think a lot of people are leaving not
> > > >because they can't get sponsors, but because [investigators are]
> > > >getting serious. The guys that have been getting away with it don't
> > > >want to be caught.""

>
> > > Oh full bucking ****!

>
> > > The reason Disco walked off is that the hysterical, lawless antidoping hysteria
> > > has made it impossible for them to obtain a sponsor. The situation is so insane
> > > that they could not in good faith even promise that they would be able to enter
> > > next year's Tour as a team.

>
> > > All it takes is, what? Someone at ASO not liking something about you, or going
> > > with national teams or some history about Contador and they aren't invited.

>
> > > Who's going to invest $15,000,000 into a team under the present system.

>
> > > Thanks for helping the riders out, Greg. The calm and perspective a cooler,
> > > older head can provide is really going to help the sport.

>
> > > Ron

>
> > Discovery is largely responsible for it's own breakup. They knew there
> > was already a lot of controversy flying around after the Landis
> > incident. To hire a rider like Basso who had questionable reputation
> > exposed Discovery to unacceptable risks. I am amazed that Bruyneel did
> > not fully realize the implications of hiring Basso.- Hide quoted text -

>
> > - Show quoted text -

>
> Yeah, but if the Puerto thing had fizzled out, Bruyneel would be
> considered a brilliant director for having hired Basso. I applaud him
> for having the courage to take an 'innocent until proven guilty'
> approach in his dealings with Basso.


Indeed! It sure is revealing just how committed to guilty until proven
innocent these so-called Americans really are.
 
"Donald Munro" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> cyclintom wrote:
>> Well, it's always hard to get a clear picture of what someone is like
>> from headlines but I'm beginning to doubt the motivation of LeMond.

>
> His motivation is anything for a headline.


I see that you and he have a lot in common.
 
> I don't know him at all but it sure seems that he needs constant attention
> from the media. He managed to make sure that he was a central part of
> both the LA bonus arbitration and the FL doping hearing.
>
> What are the chances that FL would confess to Greg in a phone call after
> he already knew how Greg had represented the telephone call he had with LA
> concerning doping?


And what are the chances that FL would not only hire someone who would make
a phony, sick phone call to Greg, during the arbitration hearings... pretty
darned slim. Even slimmer would be the chances that FL would overhear such a
call and not put a stop to it immediately. And yet it happened.

I still believe in Floyd, but none of these guys are using their full mental
abilities (or at least I hope not!) an awful lot of the time. Maybe
introspective reasoning is one of those things top-level athletes have to
block out if they want to King?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
 
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:p[email protected]...
>> I don't know him at all but it sure seems that he needs constant
>> attention from the media. He managed to make sure that he was a central
>> part of both the LA bonus arbitration and the FL doping hearing.
>>
>> What are the chances that FL would confess to Greg in a phone call after
>> he already knew how Greg had represented the telephone call he had with
>> LA concerning doping?

>
> And what are the chances that FL would not only hire someone who would
> make a phony, sick phone call to Greg, during the arbitration hearings...
> pretty darned slim. Even slimmer would be the chances that FL would
> overhear such a call and not put a stop to it immediately. And yet it
> happened.
>
> I still believe in Floyd, but none of these guys are using their full
> mental abilities (or at least I hope not!) an awful lot of the time. Maybe
> introspective reasoning is one of those things top-level athletes have to
> block out if they want to King?


Normal mental reactions and abilities are deadened when they push themselves
to ignore immense amounts of pain for hours, day after day -- particularly
in Floyd's case with that bad hip. I mean, seriously, no cyclist comes to
mind that is a brilliant thinker. Yes some a great tacticians. Bruneel and
Armstrong come to mind. Armstrong also, because perhaps he was forced to
read up on his cancer, seems to have come through his career as less of an
oaf than he might have been otherwise.

-Tony

> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
 
Frank Drackman wrote:
>
> What are the chances that FL would confess to Greg in a phone call after he
> already knew how Greg had represented the telephone call he had with LA
> concerning doping?
>
>

Floyd didn't confess to Greg over the phone, but his guilt was implied:

Greg: "If you have done something wrong, it's best to confess."
Floyd: "What good would it do?"
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Kyle Legate <[email protected]> wrote:

> Frank Drackman wrote:
> >
> > What are the chances that FL would confess to Greg in a phone call after he
> > already knew how Greg had represented the telephone call he had with LA
> > concerning doping?
> >
> >

> Floyd didn't confess to Greg over the phone, but his guilt was implied:
>
> Greg: "If you have done something wrong, it's best to confess."
> Floyd: "What good would it do?"


I'm very tetchy about reading an implied confession into that. I
understand what you're getting at, and yes, the proper response of an
innocent rider might be more like "I didn't do anything! What do I do
now?"

But I can certainly hear a despairing-but-innocent Landis saying exactly
what he did. After all, he hadn't done anything wrong, so what good
would it do to confess? I also don't expect clear-headed articulation in
casual phone calls by ex-mountain bike racers. Indeed, I'd expect much
more of a politician or a lawyer on the phone, since rhetorical skills
and clear thinking off the cuff is pretty much part of the job
description.

I've certainly made bigger oral gaffes in my own life, and I'll let my
posts here speak for my general level of literacy and clear thinking.

You be the judge,

--
Ryan Cousineau [email protected] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
 
cyclintom wrote:
>>> Well, it's always hard to get a clear picture of what someone is like
>>> from headlines but I'm beginning to doubt the motivation of LeMond.


Donald Munro wrote:
>> His motivation is anything for a headline.


Tom Kunich wrote:
> I see that you and he have a lot in common.


Bendan,
I do anything to get a rbr headline, I may even be in line
for a rbr Pulitzer.
 
On Aug 27, 12:26 pm, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 10:58 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 27, 6:35 am, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:

>
> > > On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:41:49 -0700, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:

>
> > > >(http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/aug07/aug26news)

>
> > > >Greg makes some interesting suggestions, but I have problems with some
> > > >of them.

>
> > > >Not really sure how much good this would do. After all they can always
> > > >dope during the night or some other time. Secondly isolated from
> > > >whom..?? One possiblilty would be to have unauthorized people from
> > > >visting their hotel. This could be a bit onerous since the teams often
> > > >"stay at more than one hotel.
> > > >"keeping riders sequestered for two hours before races to eliminate
> > > >"unauthorized contact,"

>
> > > Keep 'em in a windowless motel like keirin racers.

>
> > > >Oh please Greg this is just another typical cheap shot.
> > > >"LeMond was also not afraid to take a thinly veiled shot at his fellow
> > > >Tour winner Lance Armstrong, whose Discovery Channel team announced it
> > > >would disband after ceasing its search for a new sponsor earlier this
> > > >month. "I think we're fleshing out a lot of people who are leaving,"
> > > >he told the newspaper. "I think a lot of people are leaving not
> > > >because they can't get sponsors, but because [investigators are]
> > > >getting serious. The guys that have been getting away with it don't
> > > >want to be caught.""

>
> > > Oh full bucking ****!

>
> > > The reason Disco walked off is that the hysterical, lawless antidoping hysteria
> > > has made it impossible for them to obtain a sponsor. The situation is so insane
> > > that they could not in good faith even promise that they would be able to enter
> > > next year's Tour as a team.

>
> > > All it takes is, what? Someone at ASO not liking something about you, or going
> > > with national teams or some history about Contador and they aren't invited.

>
> > > Who's going to invest $15,000,000 into a team under the present system.

>
> > > Thanks for helping the riders out, Greg. The calm and perspective a cooler,
> > > older head can provide is really going to help the sport.

>
> > > Ron

>
> > Discovery is largely responsible for it's own breakup. They knew there
> > was already a lot of controversy flying around after the Landis
> > incident. To hire a rider like Basso who had questionable reputation
> > exposed Discovery to unacceptable risks. I am amazed that Bruyneel did
> > not fully realize the implications of hiring Basso.- Hide quoted text -

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> > - Show quoted text -


One has to look at the overall situation and how it affects the teams
reputation. Sponsors are fed up and very leary of being tainted with
dopers. In my mind hiring Basso posed a unacceptable risk to the
teams reputation.

> Yeah, but if the Puerto thing had fizzled out, Bruyneel would be
> considered a brilliant director for having hired Basso. I applaud him
> for having the courage to take an 'innocent until proven guilty'
> approach in his dealings with Basso. I doubt you agree, given your
> history of calls for lifetime bans for even first time drug
> infractions. You strike me as somewhat inflexible and a bit too
> 'black and white' in your thinking.
 
On Aug 28, 3:34 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

> One has to look at the overall situation and how it affects the teams
> reputation. Sponsors are fed up and very leary of being tainted with
> dopers. In my mind hiring Basso posed a unacceptable risk to the
> teams reputation.


It's a witch hunt.

Those who wanted to see the building burned along with the witches are
having their day.

If the smoke ever clears, we'll go back to bad rules and bad
enforcement.

The riders, and the sport itself, are pawns. And scapegoats.

Onward Christian Soldiers! --D-y