Fruit vs the root....

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> If you read stone's work you can clearly see this.

Stone is only marginally more coherent than your ramblings--and no

more

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correct. Simply because he tries to redefine scurvy as a genetic

disease

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on the basis that most other mammals have the enzyme that synthesizes
ascorbic acid (vitamin C) and humans do not does not make scurvy a
genetic disease.

Here's the point. You "scientists" don't understand what's going on
at all.

We understand far better than you do. You make that much obvious with
your every post.

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You can't agree with each other and each of you thinks you
know it all.

There is broad agreement on many general principles in science, and you
routinely post assertions that run counter to these well-accepted and
well-documented principles.

Well-accepted? By whom? Besides you of course.
Everything I post is well-accepted by 90% of the world's population.
Just because YOU think you know it all, has no power and precious
little influence on the world.

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Meanwhile the real world is passing you by and you
remain oblivious to it. If everyone ate ginseng your "discussion"
would become irrelevant because scurvy would no longer exist.

Really? What is your evidence for this statement. While you're at it,
perhaps you can tell us the vitamin C content of ginseng.

That is important only in the tiny world you inhabit.

Rubbish when cancer rates a are 1 in 1 (which they are graphing to be that
way) that will be the 'normal.'
Or even CVD, which most you of maintain is not a vitamin c deficient
disease.
Anth

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Scurvy _is_ a genetic disorder.

No, it it NOT. A condition that affects 100% of the population is
NORMAL, not a "disorder."

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If you read stone's work you can clearly see this.

Stone is only marginally more coherent than your ramblings--and no more
correct. Simply because he tries to redefine scurvy as a genetic disease
on the basis that most other mammals have the enzyme that synthesizes
ascorbic acid (vitamin C) and humans do not does not make scurvy a
genetic disease.
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Anth said:

Rubbish when cancer rates a are 1 in 1 (which they are graphing to be that
way) that will be the 'normal.'

If we lived long enough, all males would eventually get prostate
cancer. That has nothing to do with whether we get enough C.

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Or even CVD, which most you of maintain is not a vitamin c deficient
disease.

That's because it isn't. After all, even critters that can make their
own C can get CVD.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
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were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Anth said:

Scurvy _is_ a genetic disorder.

No, it it NOT. A condition that affects 100% of the population is
NORMAL, not a "disorder."

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If you read stone's work you can clearly see this.

Stone is only marginally more coherent than your ramblings--and no more
correct. Simply because he tries to redefine scurvy as a genetic disease
on the basis that most other mammals have the enzyme that synthesizes
ascorbic acid (vitamin C) and humans do not does not make scurvy a
genetic disease.

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Anth said:

Rubbish when cancer rates a are 1 in 1 (which they are graphing to be that
way) that will be the 'normal.'

Cancer rates are not 1 in 1.

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Or even CVD, which most you of maintain is not a vitamin c deficient
disease.

Nor is the rate of CVD 1 in 1.
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Anth said:

Orac is wrong and by his argument, a genetic disease which affects 100% of
the population is no longer a disease, it's the norm a 'trait.'

NOW you're finally getting it! I guess the printout treatment
worked.

I wish he were getting it, but I doubt that he is.
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

No I am not 'getting it'
Anth

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Orac is wrong and by his argument, a genetic disease which affects 100%

of

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the population is no longer a disease, it's the norm a 'trait.'

NOW you're finally getting it! I guess the printout treatment
worked.

I wish he were getting it, but I doubt that he is.
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/s1/scurvy.asp
Anth

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http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/s1/scurvy.asp
Anth

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Take for example Scurvy which is a genetic disorder which afflicts 100%

of

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the population.

That's a contradiction in terms.

Indeed. If 100% of the population has a genetic trait, it is NOT a
disorder or disease. It is the norm.

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| inconvenience me with questions?"

It is a contradiction in terms because scurvy is a metabolic disorder which
affects 100% of the population.
Anth

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Take for example Scurvy which is a genetic disorder which afflicts 100%

of

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the population.

That's a contradiction in terms.

I have a suggestion for you, Anth: take all your stupid word-game
postings about scurvy being a genetic disorder. Print them out on
heavy stock (card stock would be good). Crumple the printouts up
until they are corners everywhere. Then shove them up your ass.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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The 'disease' is the end result of the disorder (or the symptoms of the
imbalance)
You can control the disorder by correcting the imbalance, and therefore
halting the manifestation of the disease.
Treating clinical scurvy with vitamin c is using a drug (as you are

treating

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disease to restore the disorder)
Anth

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> What could be more simple than yes and no?
> Anth

Thank you for reinforcing my point that you were being too simplistic.

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No I am not 'getting it'

That is painfully obvious.
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Anth said:

It is a contradiction in terms because scurvy is a metabolic disorder which
affects 100% of the population.

No it isn't.

100% of the population cannot make vitamin C. That does NOT mean 100% of
the population has scurvy. It means that 100% of the population needs to
have an adequate intake of vitamin C to avoid GETTING scurvy.
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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

You are plainly talking about scurvy as the end stage manifestation of the
disorder, which in most cases is in remission.
Now comes the flood posts from the 'Batcave' saying that I am playing word
games......
Anth

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It is a contradiction in terms because scurvy is a metabolic disorder

which

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affects 100% of the population.
Anth

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Anth said:

Take for example Scurvy which is a genetic disorder which afflicts 100%

of

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the population.

That's a contradiction in terms.

I have a suggestion for you, Anth: take all your stupid word-game
postings about scurvy being a genetic disorder. Print them out on
heavy stock (card stock would be good). Crumple the printouts up
until they are corners everywhere. Then shove them up your ass.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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The 'disease' is the end result of the disorder (or the symptoms of the
imbalance)
You can control the disorder by correcting the imbalance, and therefore
halting the manifestation of the disease.
Treating clinical scurvy with vitamin c is using a drug (as you are

treating

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disease to restore the disorder)
Anth

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> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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> > What could be more simple than yes and no?
> > Anth
>
> Thank you for reinforcing my point that you were being too

simplistic.

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Anth said:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/s1/scurvy.asp

A quote from your own source:

"It [scurvy] was probably the first disease to be definitely associated
with a dietary deficiency."

A disease associated with a dietary deficiency--what we've been saying
all along.
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Anth said:

You are plainly talking about scurvy as the end stage manifestation of the
disorder, which in most cases is in remission.
Now comes the flood posts from the 'Batcave' saying that I am playing word
games......

That's because you ARE playing word games.
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

Also quote 'disorder', which you unfairly snipped.
Anth

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http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/s1/scurvy.asp
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Anth <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Take for example Scurvy which is a genetic disorder which afflicts

100%

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of

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>the population.

That's a contradiction in terms.

Indeed. If 100% of the population has a genetic trait, it is NOT a
disorder or disease. It is the norm.

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| inconvenience me with questions?"

http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/s1/scurvy.asp
scurvy
Related: Pathology

deficiency disorder resulting from a lack of vitamin C (ascorbic acid)
in the diet. Scurvy does not occur in most animals because they can
synthesize their own vitamin C, but humans, other primates, guinea pigs, and
a few other species lack an enzyme necessary for such synthesis and must
obtain vitamin C through their diet. Vitamin C is widespread in plant
tissues, with particularly high concentrations occurring in citrus fruits
(oranges, lemons, limes, grapefruits); tomatoes, potatoes, cabbages, and
green peppers are also good sources of this vitamin. Scurvy results in
the weakening of capillaries, which causes hemorrhages into the tissues,
bleeding of the gums, loosening of the teeth, anemia, and general debility.
In infants there is also interference with bone development. Severe phases
of the disorder can result in death. Scurvy is treated with large doses of
vitamin C. Modern methods of transporting and preserving foods have made a
diet rich in vitamin C available everywhere throughout the year, and even
infants' diets include orange juice. Vitamin C is also available in tablet
or syrup form.

Scurvy was a serious problem in the past, when fresh fruits and
vegetables were not available during the winter in many parts of the world.
It was especially common among sailors in the days when only nonperishable
foods could be stocked aboard ship. More than half the crew of Vasco da Gama
died from scurvy on his first trip (1497-99) around the Cape of Good Hope.
In 1747 the Scottish naval surgeon James Lind treated scurvy-ridden sailors
with lemons and oranges and obtained dramatic cures. In 1795 the British
navy began to distribute regular rations of lime juice during long sea
voyages (hence the name limeys for British sailors), a measure that was
largely successful in preventing scurvy. It was probably the first disease
to be definitely associated with a dietary deficiency.

Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition, Copyright (c) 2003.

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Anth

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http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/s1/scurvy.asp

A quote from your own source:

"It [scurvy] was probably the first disease to be definitely associated
with a dietary deficiency."

A disease associated with a dietary deficiency--what we've been saying
all along.
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

Not at all I am being correct in my definitions.
Anth

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Anth said:

You are plainly talking about scurvy as the end stage manifestation of

the

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disorder, which in most cases is in remission.
Now comes the flood posts from the 'Batcave' saying that I am playing

word

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games......

That's because you ARE playing word games.
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Anth said:

It is a contradiction in terms because scurvy is a metabolic disorder

which

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affects 100% of the population.

No it isn't.

100% of the population cannot make vitamin C. That does NOT mean 100% of
the population has scurvy. It means that 100% of the population needs to
have an adequate intake of vitamin C to avoid GETTING scurvy.

You better be careful here. You are recommending a vitamin. It could cause a
bad
reaction, cripple or maim, some unsuspecting person., couldn't it?
LOL

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Anth said:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/s1/scurvy.asp

A quote from your own source:

"It [scurvy] was probably the first disease to be definitely associated
with a dietary deficiency."

A disease associated with a dietary deficiency--what we've been saying
all along.

Eat ginseng and thrive.

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Anth said:

Not at all I am being correct in my definitions.

Repeating something enough times will not make it the truth.
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