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  1. blake murphy said:
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    and most 'ethnic' restaurants need a local ethnic population (at least
    in the beginning) to survive. small towns may lack this.

    That probably depends on the ethnic restaurant. Other than college and
    university students, there is no real Chinese community around here, but
    there have always been lots of Chinese restaurants. While the major cities
    around here have significant Italian communities, they tend not to move to
    the smaller towns, but Italian restaurants are common.... often run by
    Greeks.

  2. On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:59:31 -0500, Omelet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Oh, they look just miserable as they stand out there on cigarette
    breaks every hour. Where's my violin ...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (laugh) nancy

    Quoted message said:

    <lol> There is that.
    My smoking co-workers always took 3 times as many breaks as the rest of
    us, and we took up the slack.

    The cigarette breaks were longer when the weather was nicer,
    that's for sure. Just the slow stroll to the elevator took a long
    time. In my job it was only annoying when I needed to talk to
    them and had to go out and find them (sorry to interrupt your
    conversation) or plan my day around when they'd be at their
    cube. Other than that, as long as I got my work done and they
    got their work done, no skin off my teeth. I didn't have to do
    their job while they were outside shooting the breeze.

    In your job I would think it would be a bigger problem.

    nancy

  3. One time on Usenet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    blake murphy said:
    Melba's Jammin said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Bobo Bonobo(R) <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > Fast food restaurants don't really pretend to be something they're
    > not. Chili's and Applebee's do.
    > --Bryan

    What are they pretending to be?

    fun.

    your pal,
    blake

    "Fun"? I guess I'm weird, but I don't exect a restaurant to be
    fun. Disneyland is fun. A carnival is fun. Clowns are...no, wait;
    clowns are just creepy.

    Quoted message said:

    Pfft. I like both places. Shoot me. I don't much like to cook most of
    the time. I'm the only one in the house who's acquainted with the
    stove.

    I hear ya one that one, Barb. I used to love cooking, but when you're
    on deck for dinner every night, it gets old. Some people thrive on
    that, and more power to 'em, but not me. However, as Buddy gets older
    (he's 10 now), we do more pick-up meals. Either take-out orwhat we
    call YOYO night, as in "you're on your own" -- code for fry up some
    eggs or dig something out of the freezer. Anyway, I think I'm starting
    to appreciate my own cooking again, somewhat.

    Quoted message said:

    I like Applebee's' oriental chicken salad and I love Chili's
    tortilla chips. I like food set in front of me that I didn't have to
    prepare.

    I've only eaten at Applebee's a couple of times, simply because
    the only one near here is about 30 miles away. Same reason I've
    never eaten at Chili's, and only visit Outback Steakhouse, Red
    SLobster (they do a decent job with shrimp, IMO) and Red Robin
    on occasion. It's just quicker and easier to get broasted chicken
    from the local tavern or hit the new cheesesteak place when we
    don't feel like cooking. But if they're close enough to suit,
    why not? It may not be "fine dining', but it can still be good.
    Certainly better than McD's. And most of us can't afford "fine
    dining" for more than special occasions anyway...

    --
    Jani in WA

  4. "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:


    Bars and casinos; now those are places I would go to often if they
    just had more stringent smoking rules ;-))

    No kidding! I hadn't been able to go to a pub for like 4 years or
    something, but they finally implemented a smoke ban here in July, and it's
    been heaven 🙂 You should have seen my face on my first night back at the
    pub - quiet night, just the two of us, a beer and a meal each and some
    board games, but it was soooo wonderful to be back, I couldn't stop
    smiling. And then last weekend I went to my first gig since the ban - damn
    I've missed live music!

    Hope you get the same soon 🙂

    K

  5. The Ranger said:

    Melba's Jammin' <[email hidden]> blushingly admitted
    in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    [Hand machine made burgers?!]

    Quoted message said:

    My innocence was shattered.

    Point of information, Madame Chair?

    Are you sure that you ever had innocence to shatter?

    The "RD&H" Ranger
    ---

    You can run, but you can't hide! She's gonna come after you
    with her canning spoon, woe unto you.

    gloria p

  6. Amarantha <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    Bars and casinos; now those are places I would go to often if they
    just had more stringent smoking rules ;-))

    No kidding! <snip>

    Never mind, I hadn't noticed your winking smiley or read your subsequent
    posts 😉

    *slaps self*

  7. Puester <[email hidden]> direly warned in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    The Ranger said:

    Melba's Jammin' <[email hidden]> blushingly
    admitted in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    [Hand machine made burgers?!]

    Quoted message said:

    My innocence was shattered.

    Point of information, Madame Chair?

    Are you sure that you ever had innocence to shatter?

    The "RD&H" Ranger


    You can run, but you can't hide! She's gonna come
    after you with her canning spoon, woe unto you.

    Ha! I'm younger, faster, and more agile than the Ice Queen! Ha!
    again says I!

    The Ranger

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    The Ranger said:

    Puester <[email hidden]> direly warned in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    The Ranger said:

    Melba's Jammin' <[email hidden]> blushingly
    admitted in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    [Hand machine made burgers?!]
    > My innocence was shattered.

    Point of information, Madame Chair?

    Are you sure that you ever had innocence to shatter?

    The "RD&H" Ranger


    You can run, but you can't hide! She's gonna come
    after you with her canning spoon, woe unto you.

    Ha! I'm younger, faster, and more agile than the Ice Queen! Ha!
    again says I!

    The Ranger

    Age, experience, and treachery will take youth and enthusiasm any day,
    Punk.
    --
    -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
    Dinner at Yummy! 9-15-2007 Pictures included.

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    blake murphy said:

    On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:59:31 -0500, Omelet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Nancy Young said:

    "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]> wrote

    > Due to the air systems, as you know it's pretty hard to have smoking
    > rooms.

    I do know that.

    > At Costco they have designated a space (with a picnic table) at the back
    > end of the indoor/outdoor space for the smokers to sit. I can't recall
    > if
    > it's been there in the winter yet, but so far there are plenty of takers
    > in this heat.
    >
    > Tho, I think not being able to smoke during working hours near one's
    > work
    > is a good incentive for a worker to try to quit the habit for at least 8
    > hours a day. Tough, tho.

    Oh, they look just miserable as they stand out there on cigarette
    breaks every hour. Where's my violin ...

    (laugh) nancy

    <lol> There is that.
    My smoking co-workers always took 3 times as many breaks as the rest of
    us, and we took up the slack.

    maybe so, maybe not. i used to get some heat for that at work. yet
    more than once i'd see my supervisor out by the elevator yakking to
    somebody when i was on my way downstairs to smoke outside and see her
    still there when i came back. i doubt she was thinking of it as her
    'break time.'

    your pal,
    blake

    The privileges of being Supervisor? :-P

    Not for me.

    There are only two techs on at night. I run half the lab, Pat runs the
    other half. we help each other if either of us gets overwhelmed.

    I'm the "night shift" supervisor.

    All of the responsibility, none of the perks! ;-)

    Oh well!

    Neither one of us smoke. Jess' does (the Phlebotimist) but only in her
    car on the way to and from work. There is no free time most nights.

    If you see me on chat, you know we are having a quiet night. <g>
    --
    Peace, Om

    Remove _ to validate e-mails.

    "Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." -- Steve Rothstein

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Nancy Young said:

    On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:59:31 -0500, Omelet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Oh, they look just miserable as they stand out there on cigarette
    breaks every hour. Where's my violin ...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (laugh) nancy

    Quoted message said:

    <lol> There is that.
    My smoking co-workers always took 3 times as many breaks as the rest of
    us, and we took up the slack.

    The cigarette breaks were longer when the weather was nicer,
    that's for sure. Just the slow stroll to the elevator took a long
    time. In my job it was only annoying when I needed to talk to
    them and had to go out and find them (sorry to interrupt your
    conversation) or plan my day around when they'd be at their
    cube. Other than that, as long as I got my work done and they
    got their work done, no skin off my teeth. I didn't have to do
    their job while they were outside shooting the breeze.

    In your job I would think it would be a bigger problem.

    nancy

    It has been in the past.

    No longer.

    Smoking has been totally banned on the premises.

    More than once, stat work would come in while they were out on a smoke
    break. I was not the only one that sometimes resented doing more than my
    share... but we did it anyway because it had to be done.

    I'd never neglect a patient out of resentment for a co-workers bad
    habits. Not on a bet. I'm not wired that way.
    --
    Peace, Om

    Remove _ to validate e-mails.

    "Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." -- Steve Rothstein

  11. Brian Christiansen said:

    The other day, I was listening to a talk radio program. The topic of
    discusssion was smoking laws.

    A caller called in to say that because of the smoking laws in her town being
    too lax (I think), she could not go to "fine dining" restaraunts like
    Chilis or Applebees, and was forced to go to fast food joints.

    Perhaps my standards aren't very high because I have no problem eating at
    places like that, I even have no problem eating at fast food joints, for
    that matter. By the same token, I really don't think of places like
    Applebees, etc. to be "fine dining," and that they are really only perhaps a
    half-step to a step above fast food joints. Even a good part of that is
    because they have nicer decor.


    Fine dining? Doesn't that usually involve a tablecloth and real
    napkins, at least?! 'Family restaurants' are half a step above
    takeout, if that.

  12. Dave Smith said:
    blake murphy said:
    Quoted message said:


    and most 'ethnic' restaurants need a local ethnic population (at least
    in the beginning) to survive. small towns may lack this.

    That probably depends on the ethnic restaurant. Other than college and
    university students, there is no real Chinese community around here, but
    there have always been lots of Chinese restaurants. While the major cities
    around here have significant Italian communities, they tend not to move to
    the smaller towns, but Italian restaurants are common.... often run by
    Greeks.

    chinese is probably the outlier in this. most towns, if there is any
    'foreign' cuisine, will have chinese, closely followed (i think) by
    italian.

    new york city (in the seventies, anyway) tickled me because there were
    many chinese/cuban restaurants. evidently there was a significant
    chinese population in cuba which fled/was kicked out when castro took
    over. the menus were a hoot.

    your pal,
    blake

  13. Melba's Jammin said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    blake murphy said:
    Melba's Jammin said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Bobo Bonobo(R) <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > Fast food restaurants don't really pretend to be something they're
    > not. Chili's and Applebee's do.
    > --Bryan

    What are they pretending to be?

    fun.

    your pal,
    blake

    Pfft. I like both places. Shoot me. I don't much like to cook most of
    the time. I'm the only one in the house who's acquainted with the
    stove. I like Applebee's' oriental chicken salad and I love Chili's
    tortilla chips. I like food set in front of me that I didn't have to
    prepare.

    i think i've been in a chili's, but not applebee's. the food on t.v.
    looks pretty good, though.

    your pal,
    blake

  14. blake murphy said:
    Dave Smith said:
    blake murphy said:
    Quoted message said:


    and most 'ethnic' restaurants need a local ethnic population (at least
    in the beginning) to survive. small towns may lack this.

    That probably depends on the ethnic restaurant. Other than college and
    university students, there is no real Chinese community around here, but
    there have always been lots of Chinese restaurants. While the major


    cities

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    around here have significant Italian communities, they tend not to move


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the smaller towns, but Italian restaurants are common.... often run by
    Greeks.

    chinese is probably the outlier in this. most towns, if there is any
    'foreign' cuisine, will have chinese, closely followed (i think) by
    italian.

    There have been Chinese restos in even the most white bread of little burgs
    in downstate Illannoy as long as I can remember, I think the first one I
    visited as a kid was in Galesburg IL c. 1963. There is one in in the tiny
    county seat (pop. 3500) of my home county...

    Quoted message said:

    new york city (in the seventies, anyway) tickled me because there were
    many chinese/cuban restaurants. evidently there was a significant
    chinese population in cuba which fled/was kicked out when castro took
    over. the menus were a hoot.

    Chinese were brought to Cuba in the 19th century to help harvest sugarcane
    and do other "grunt" labor. Havana still has a Chinatown, with a number of
    "Chinese" restos. Many of the Sino - Cubans left when Kastro came to power,
    but there are still a few left:

    http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y98/dec98/09e7.htm

    FEATURE-Cuban Chinatown enjoys revival but lacks Chinese

    By Angus MacSwan

    "HAVANA, Dec 9 (Reuters) - In a dingy back-street Havana office, two elderly
    Chinese men, Abel Fung Lee and Cecilio Lau, sit chatting in the language of
    their faraway homeland.

    On one wall hangs a photograph of a young Fidel Castro, on another a
    red-and-gold lettered calendar with a scene of a Yangtze River gorge. The
    office houses the Kwong Wah Po Chinese-language newspaper and people drop by
    to pick up the new edition, set by hand in a back room from tray-upon-tray
    of lead characters and printed on a 100-year-old press.

    Lee, the paper's administrator, and his friend Lau are among the last
    survivors of what was once a thriving Chinese immigrant community in Cuba.
    They have weathered the hardships of life under communism with stoicism.

    ``There are not many of our fellow countrymen left here,'' Lee said.
    ``Almost all left for the United States. The old ones are dying. We are all
    old and life here is very hard.''

    Yet, even as the Chinese population dwindles, efforts are being made to
    revive Chinatown.

    Like much of the Cuban capital, its old buildings are decaying. But
    restaurants in the small Calle Cuchillo with names like Luna de Oro (Golden
    Moon) and El Gran Dragon (the Great Dragon) are filled with tourists and
    locals alike, even if the waitresses are as often as not mixed-race Cubans.

    A Chinese-style arch was erected at the entrance to the street last year and
    another is going up a few blocks away, paid for with government donations
    from Havana and Beijing.

    'WE MUST RESCUE CHINATOWN'

    ``We must rescue Chinatown, although it will not be like before,'' said
    Alfonso Chao Chiu. president of the Casino Chung Wah, the main social center
    for the Chinese community.

    The Chinese first came to Cuba in 1847 -- in ``virtual slavery,'' Chao
    said -- as indentured labor for the sugar cane plantations. Others came from
    the California gold fields with stakes to set up ``bodegas,'' or grocery
    stores, and other small businesses. War and revolution in China brought new
    waves.

    At its peak, the Chinese population numbered about 200,000. Many married
    with non-Chinese and Asian features are not uncommon today in Cubans' mostly
    European and African mix.

    Chao described a bustling Chinatown before Castro's 1959 revolution with
    medicine shops, restaurants, laundries and a cinema showing movies from Hong
    Kong. El Pacifico restaurant was a favorite with American tourists who
    flocked to the decadent Havana of the 1950s and Castro himself has eaten
    there, although not for several years now, a waiter said.

    Lee emigrated from Canton in 1952. He built up a successful trading business
    in Havana but his partner squandered their fortune on gambling and women, he
    said. So he started again with a bodega and had four shops by the time
    Castro's forces triumphed and set out to build a socialist Cuba.

    In 1963, his business was taken over by the state. ``They said I could stay
    and work in the bodega but I didn't want to. I became a mechanic,'' he said.

    ONLY ABOUT 430 PURE CHINESE LEFT

    Most of Cuba's Chinese left or died of old age and now there are only about
    430 pure Chinese, with an average age of about 80, according to Chao. But
    about 3,200 Cubans with Chinese blood belong to several family and clan
    associations, many of which once had links with the nationalist Kuomintang
    that was defeated by Mao Tse-tung in the Chinese civil war.

    Under a special arrangement with a government wary of private
    entrepreneurship, the associations are allowed to run restaurants as
    businesses, Roberto Vargas Li, manager of the Tien Tan, said.

    Taxes are high, he said, and in Cuba, where many things are in short supply,
    spices and other ingredients are sometimes hard to find. But on a recent
    Saturday night barman Carlos Leong was serving chilled Tsing Tsao beer as a
    group of Chinese Embassy officials attacked their food.

    Vargas Li, 33, whose grandfather was Chinese and grandmother Cuban, is a
    member of the Grupo Promodor del Barrio Chino (Chinatown Promotion Group),
    which is leading efforts to revitalize the district. One plan is to attract
    more Chinese immigrants, he said. His own wife came from Shanghai in 1996.

    Sipping tea with a visitor to the casino -- actually a social club, not a
    gambling parlor -- Chao spoke of his efforts to keep Chinese culture alive
    in Cuba.

    Mandarin classes are held there every Saturday, with about 15 people
    attending, and the club also holds classes in Tai-chi, traditional medicine
    and cookery.

    In one room is a Buddhist shrine. There is also a large library and some
    beautiful objects such as 100-year-old rosewood chairs inlaid with lacquer
    amid the pervasive Havana shabbiness. But resources are slim and the
    difficulties many.

    ``We lack everything to make repairs,'' said Chao, who was born in Havana in
    1941 to a Chinese father and Cuban mother. Only limited help has come from
    the Beijing government over the years, he said. During the Cold War-era
    split between Moscow and Beijing, Cuba stayed in the Soviet camp.

    Back at the Kwong Wah Po, Lee said he was worried about his own and his
    wife's health as the years caught up with them, especially with medicines
    hard to obtain. And he doubted Chinatown could return Phoenix-like to its
    glory days.

    ``They would like to make it like before but it can't be -- there are not
    enough Chinese,'' he said."

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