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The problem is not the implausibility of their claim.

The problem is in their

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use of language. When they say that people are paid to
debunk

alt-health

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techniques, it means that they can't support their own
claims.

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My head is spinning and I still haven't got a reply as
to the names of

the> parasites the cleanses flush out - and any alt
the> information re:
diabetes,> endometriosis, osteoarthritis and
hypothyroidism. I sure got plenty of> other
information though.

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Kim

Diabetes -- caused by repeated release of massive amounts
of insulin which is brought about through the use of an
high sugar intake diet. Sugar is in every processed
food(along with scads of other savoury stuff such as
preservatives etc) and most carbonated drinks. As a result
most people are getting frequent high megadoses of sugar
all day long for just about every day of their lives. As a
result, their blood sugar levels soar sky high

and

Quoted message said:

the pancreas has to release huge amounts of insulin to
lower the blood

sugar

Quoted message said:

to normal levels. Eventually the pancreas get exhausted
and can't produce the insulin anymore with the result
that a diabetic now will have to take insulin
injections to manage their high blood sugar levels. A
good idea to prevent diabetes is to quit using these
processed foods and stop taking these carbonated
beverages. In the place of sugar, for a sweetener use a
natural product such as Stevia but no aspartame or
other such deadly artificial sweetener's. For those
that do have diabetics a major problem

is

Quoted message said:

the massive loss of vitamin's, minerals and enzymes
through the frequent urination diabetic's are subjected to
on a daily basis. To prevent this it is recommended that
diabetics take massive doses of such nutrients to replace
those loss daily through urination. For those that have
poor blood flow it is recommended that they take Chelation
therapy which has saved

many

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a diabetic from losing their limbs! There is much more out
there but for a detailed explanation maybe Jan will post
some diabetic links which will explain much more fully and
clearly than I have done all about what

diabetes

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is and effective treatments against it.

Well, that proves you are utterly clueless.

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As for the parasites their names are Rich, Peter, Mark,
Ilsa, Hawki, Michelle, David and Probert. -rb

Sure, rubber brain, sure.

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Well Jan, it sure seems that our girl Kim is starting
to do more criticizing of you than she is seeking out
info on alternative medicine. Just as I suspected.....
a plant. maybe the return of Karuna?-rb

Karuna did not post from the US.

Why are you so proud of running her off?

Did I run her off?

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Well Jan, it sure seems that our girl Kim is
starting to do more criticizing of you than she is
seeking out info on alternative

medicine.

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Just as I suspected..... a plant. maybe the return of
Karuna?-rb

Karuna did not post from the US.

Why are you so proud of running her off?

Did I run her off?

she was run off of here by the Alties.

And, your paranoia is showing

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Well Kim my darling, if you are truly here to learn
about

alternatives

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the only thing you'll learn about alternatives from
Ilsa(whoever he

really

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is? Nidiffer? Weedkiller? etc?) is that no alternatives
at all work. Ask

him

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about alternatives for your mild case of arthritis if
you don't believe

me?
====================
I'm hoping SOMEONE makes some suggestions regarding the
questions I've>

asked: My friend's diabetes and my own hypothyroidism.

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As for an alt regarding my arthritis, I've tried
Glucosamine 500mgs and>

Chondroitin 400mgs but so far I can't see where they've
helped any after 8> or 9 months. I don't take any other
painkillers because it's really quite>
mild.

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Kim

=====================

Get it from a qualified source. Try Dr. Janet's
Glucosamine Cream and also try Cetyl Myristoleate, Rod
gave it a glowing recommendation the other day, remember?
Start taking MSM, it's also good for a lot of other stuff
such as skin, hair and nails. Make sure you get enough
omega 3 and 6 fatty acids. Drink enough water.

Very Good. Excellent analogy!

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As for the parasites their names are Rich, Peter, Mark,
Ilsa, Hawki, Michelle, David and Probert. -rb

You're a troll!

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I have no proof. It is just my own personal opinion
based upon the precept that nobody can be so stupid
so as to deny the efficacy of

plainly

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efficacious treatments(such as chelation therapy and
mercury amalgam

removal

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among other's), so to obstinately and obnoxiously deny
the efficacy of

such

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well known and plainly efficacious alternative
treatments(such as

chelation

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therapy and mercury amalgam removal among other's) one
can only

logically

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deduce that, again, nobody remotely intelligent being
stupid enough to

deny

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the efficaciousness of such alternative treatments, they
can only be obstinately and obnoxiously doing this
because they are being paid to do

so!
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You're a hoot! LOL!!!

Kim

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Kim said:

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Actually Dr. Valerie Saxon has some expelled Liver
Flukes preserved in a jar! Nasty fair sized critters
they are. If you want to know more about parasites you
should contact her.

==========================
Dr. Saxon? ???

Since eating raw fish seems to be the only way, or main
way to get these human liver infesting flukes I wouldn't
think they'd be too common here in the USA. That is, among
the non Asian population at least. Most Americans are not
into eating raw fish dishes. Also most people in the USA
use toilets and do not leave their feces on the ground
where run off could carry it to a water source and infect
the snails.

Yup -- Hulda Clark's favorite liver flukes are so large that
there is no way a legion of pathologists could have failed
to notice them in countless thousands of cancer patients.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Mark Probert-March 8 said:

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Well Jan, it sure seems that our girl Kim is starting
to do more criticizing of you than she is seeking out
info on alternative medicine. Just as I suspected.....
a plant. maybe the return of Karuna?-rb

Karuna did not post from the US.

Why are you so proud of running her off?

"You can boast about anything if it's all you have."

-- John Steinbeck, "East of
Eden"

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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"Ilsa9.11" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040307142523.16083.00001049@mb-

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The problem is not the implausibility of their claim.

The problem is in their

Quoted message said:

use of language. When they say that people are paid to
debunk

alt-health

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

techniques, it means that they can't support their own
claims.

===========================
My head is spinning and I still haven't got a reply as to
the names of

the> parasites the cleanses flush out - and any alt
the> information re:
diabetes,> endometriosis, osteoarthritis and
hypothyroidism. I sure got plenty of> other
information though.

Quoted message said:

Kim

Diabetes -- caused by repeated release of massive amounts
of insulin which is brought about through the use of an
high sugar intake diet. Sugar is in every processed
food(along with scads of other savoury stuff such as
preservatives etc) and most carbonated drinks. As a result
most people are getting frequent high megadoses of sugar
all day long for just about every day of their lives. As a
result, their blood sugar levels soar sky high and the
pancreas has to release huge amounts of insulin to lower
the blood sugar to normal levels. Eventually the pancreas
get exhausted and can't produce the insulin anymore

Bwaaahahahaha!

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For those that do have diabetics a major problem is the
massive loss of vitamin's, minerals and enzymes through
the frequent urination diabetic's are subjected to on a
daily basis.

Still more humor.

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To prevent this it is recommended that diabetics take
massive doses of such nutrients to replace those loss daily
through urination. For those that have poor blood flow it
is recommended that they take Chelation therapy which has
saved many a diabetic from losing their limbs!

And even more.

rb, you should be doing standup.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 03:18:37 -0600, "Kim" <fine@ad-

free.net said:

I'm hoping SOMEONE makes some suggestions regarding the
questions I've asked: My friend's diabetes and my own
hypothyroidism.

============================

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Is this insulin dependent diabetes?? IF it is adult onset
diabetes you may want to do some research on cinnamon. I
don't have ready references but believe that cinnamon may
help increase insulin sensitivity and lower blood sugar in
those who have adult onset diabetes.

Yes. He has adult onset diabetes. He took oral meds for a
long time and started the injectable insulin about 2 years
ago. They can't find why he never feels well as he has no
other known health problems caused by the disease except the
one bad foot. It has poor circulation and he may lose
it. I can suggest the cinnamon. Or have him ask his Dr
about cinnamon.

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Not sure what you can do for your hypothyroidism other
than to take replacement thyroid hormone and have your
thyroid function test monitored periodically. Are you
hypothyroid due to treatment for hyperthyroidism?? If not
do they know what is causing it??

They didn't know I had hypothyroidism until I started to
gain weight rapidly about 6 or 7 years ago. I was active and
thin all my life. The first Dr refused to do much but tell
me to eat less and exercise more. But I wasn't over eating.
Getting more exercise is hard to do when you're too tired to
walk from the sofa to the kitchen. I was totally exhausted
all the time. I had all the classic symptoms and yet he did
nothing! I try not to be angry over this, but this weight
gain is very depressing. Had he listened, and put me on a
thyroid med right then, I never would have put 80 lbs on (in
2 years). What Dr would not be alarmed when a patient gained
that much weigh so quickly and was so exhausted?

The second Dr *listened to me* and put me on Levoxyl after
blood tests showed I had literally no thyroid function. The
weight gain stopped immediately but I have been unable to
lose the last 25 lbs.

It seems my thyroid just QUIT on day. I asked him why this
happens and he said there was no way to know. He said it
could be genetic, a tumor... he sent me for a scan which was
negative - no tumors. I suppose I will have to remain on the
Levoxyl for the rest of my life. I'm 59 now.

Kim

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similar case, an orthodontist in Adelaide (of all
places!!) who is a local agent for not-a-medical-Dr Clark
attracted attention because he had advised someone to stop
taking medicine and the patient subsequently died. The
only action which could be taken was to withdraw his right
to practise dentistry.

===============================
It appears if you want to commit legal murder or practice
medicine without a Lic Australia is the place to be! And
here I thought that was such a progressive nation.

Kim

"Mark Probert-March 8, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]> wrote
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I guess you have never had Sushi (which is, IMNSHO, the
Japanese word for bait).

====================
No I haven't. I doubt it would be a popular dish where I
live. Everyone here eats batter dipped fried fish when they
eat fish at all.

Kim

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Diabetes -- caused by repeated release of massive amounts
of insulin which is brought about through the use of an
high sugar intake diet. Sugar is in every processed
food(along with scads of other savoury stuff such as
preservatives etc) and most carbonated drinks. As a result
most people are getting frequent high megadoses of sugar
all day long for just about every day of their lives. As a
result, their blood sugar levels soar sky high

and

Quoted message said:

the pancreas has to release huge amounts of insulin to
lower the blood

sugar

Quoted message said:

to normal levels. Eventually the pancreas get exhausted
and can't produce the insulin anymore with the result that
a diabetic now will have to take insulin injections to
manage their high blood sugar levels.

** Yes. I am aware of this. Are the alts suggesting low-
carb diets for Diabetics now? I read that some Dr's are
recommending low-carb diets as are alt practitioners. Is
it safe? I'm talking about the diabetic slowing
eliminating carbohydrates from their diets while watching
their blood sugar?

A good idea to

Quoted message said:

prevent diabetes is to quit using these processed foods
and stop taking these carbonated beverages. In the
place of sugar, for a sweetener use a natural product
such as Stevia but no aspartame or other such deadly
artificial sweetener's. For those that do have
diabetics a major problem

is

Quoted message said:

the massive loss of vitamin's, minerals and enzymes
through the frequent urination diabetic's are subjected to
on a daily basis. To prevent this it is recommended that
diabetics take massive doses of such nutrients to replace
those loss daily through urination.

I will recommend this to him. I'm sure he is NOT taking any
supplements at this time.

For those that have poor blood

Quoted message said:

flow it is recommended that they take Chelation therapy
which has saved

many

Quoted message said:

a diabetic from losing their limbs! There is much more out
there but for a detailed explanation maybe Jan will post
some diabetic links which will explain much more fully and
clearly than I have done all about what

diabetes

Quoted message said:

is and effective treatments against it.

Getting Health Ins to pay for Chelation Therapy may not be
possible unless it's an accepted part of treatment for
diabetics. Because of the foot he can no longer work and
money is becoming an issue.

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As for the parasites their names are Rich, Peter, Mark,
Ilsa, Hawki, Michelle, David and Probert. -rb

Would you mind my printing this post and sending it to him?

Kim

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Diabetes -- caused by repeated release of massive
amounts of insulin

which

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is brought about through the use of an high sugar intake
diet. Sugar is

in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

every processed food(along with scads of other savoury
stuff such as preservatives etc) and most carbonated
drinks. As a result most people

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

getting frequent high megadoses of sugar all day long
for just about

every

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

day of their lives. As a result, their blood sugar
levels soar sky high

and

Quoted message said:

the pancreas has to release huge amounts of insulin to
lower the blood

sugar

Quoted message said:

to normal levels. Eventually the pancreas get exhausted
and can't

produce

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the insulin anymore with the result that a diabetic now
will have to

take

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insulin injections to manage their high blood sugar
levels.

** Yes. I am aware of this. Are the alts suggesting low-
carb diets for Diabetics now? I read that some Dr's are
recommending low-carb diets as

are

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alt practitioners. Is it safe? I'm talking about the
diabetic slowing eliminating carbohydrates from their
diets while watching their blood

sugar?

Quoted message said:

A good idea to

Quoted message said:

prevent diabetes is to quit using these processed foods
and stop taking these carbonated beverages. In the place
of sugar, for a sweetener use a natural product such as
Stevia but no aspartame or other such deadly artificial
sweetener's. For those that do have diabetics a major
problem

is

Quoted message said:

the massive loss of vitamin's, minerals and enzymes
through the frequent urination diabetic's are subjected
to on a daily basis. To prevent this

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is recommended that diabetics take massive doses of such
nutrients to replace those loss daily through urination.

I will recommend this to him. I'm sure he is NOT taking
any supplements

at

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this time.

For those that have poor blood

Quoted message said:

flow it is recommended that they take Chelation therapy
which has saved

many

Quoted message said:

a diabetic from losing their limbs! There is much more
out there but for

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

detailed explanation maybe Jan will post some diabetic
links which will explain much more fully and clearly
than I have done all about what

diabetes

Quoted message said:

is and effective treatments against it.

Getting Health Ins to pay for Chelation Therapy may not be
possible unless it's an accepted part of treatment for
diabetics. Because of the foot he can no longer work and
money is becoming an issue.

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As for the parasites their names are Rich, Peter,
Mark, Ilsa, Hawki, Michelle, David and Probert. -rb

Would you mind my printing this post and sending it to
him?

Kim

No. Chelation is not too costly and from what I know it
works in all cases of vascular circulatory diseases. It
has saved many a limb of diabetics. It's also the most
effective treatment going for heart disease but the anti-
alt crowd around here will tell you it's teetotally
worthless if you will listen to them. If you're not a
plant and you really want alternative info you'd be wise
not believing the anti-Jan crowd on this board.

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Kim said:

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Cue Jan to go on her Andrew Kingoff rant. Just watch.

Btw, Andrew is the guy she called a Jew Boy, posted his
complete business address and phone number and told
people not to do business with him.

=====================
That's a true insult. I see that as being equal with
calling an African American the N word. Now you've got to
be kidding about his business address etc.!!!!

There sure seems to be a lot of animosity on this NG.
Anyone posting/reading here would be afraid to mention
where they live or even what they do for a living.

Well, that's not completely true, but I, for example,
refused to say what area my PhD is in, except that it's not
in a medical field. I didn't want some of these loons
calling up and haranguing my alma mater.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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"rb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Well Kim my darling, if you are truly here to learn
about

alternatives

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Quoted message said:

the only thing you'll learn about alternatives from
Ilsa(whoever he

really

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is? Nidiffer? Weedkiller? etc?) is that no alternatives
at all work. Ask

him

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about alternatives for your mild case of arthritis if
you don't believe

me?
====================
I'm hoping SOMEONE makes some suggestions regarding the
questions I've asked: My friend's diabetes and my own
hypothyroidism.

As for an alt regarding my arthritis, I've tried
Glucosamine 500mgs and Chondroitin 400mgs but so far I
can't see where they've helped any after 8 or 9 months. I
don't take any other painkillers because it's really quite
mild.

My BIL had bad knees, always painful, which resulted in his
retirement as a Captain from the NYPD. He went on
Glucosamine/Chondroitin and, after *2* years, began to see a
significant difference in how his knees felt. He left the NY
area at the same time, lives in FL, and is head of security
at a hospital. He credits both a change in lifestyle and the
use of G/C to his improvement.

He is also 59.

"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"rb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Well Kim my darling, if you are truly here to learn
about

alternatives

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the only thing you'll learn about alternatives from
Ilsa(whoever he

really

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is? Nidiffer? Weedkiller? etc?) is that no alternatives
at all work. Ask

him

Quoted message said:

about alternatives for your mild case of arthritis if
you don't believe

me?
====================
I'm hoping SOMEONE makes some suggestions regarding the
questions I've asked: My friend's diabetes and my own
hypothyroidism.

As for an alt regarding my arthritis, I've tried
Glucosamine 500mgs and Chondroitin 400mgs but so far I
can't see where they've helped any after 8 or 9 months. I
don't take any other painkillers because it's really quite
mild.

My BIL had bad knees, always painful, which resulted in his
retirement as a Captain from the NYPD. He went on
Glucosamine/Chondroitin and, after *2* years, began to see a
significant difference in how his knees felt. He left the NY
area at the same time, lives in FL, and is head of security
at a hospital. He credits both a change in lifestyle and the
use of G/C to his improvement.

He is also 59.

"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Getting Health Ins to pay for Chelation Therapy may not be
possible unless it's an accepted part of treatment for
diabetics. Because of the foot he can no longer work and
money is becoming an issue.

Kim, if anyone goes for chelation, then they should ask the
seller several questions:

1. Ask the seller to provide arteriography showing arterial
narrowing prior to chelation, and arteriography
subsequent to chelation. These studies should be
performed by an independent lab.

2. Ask the seller to provide pre and post Doppler studies of
the same patients.

If neither are forthcoming, run like hell.

BTW, insurance often does not pay for useless treatments.
They do not want to be on the financial hook for years
without an improvement in the insured.

"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Getting Health Ins to pay for Chelation Therapy may not be
possible unless it's an accepted part of treatment for
diabetics. Because of the foot he can no longer work and
money is becoming an issue.

Kim, if anyone goes for chelation, then they should ask the
seller several questions:

1. Ask the seller to provide arteriography showing arterial
narrowing prior to chelation, and arteriography
subsequent to chelation. These studies should be
performed by an independent lab.

2. Ask the seller to provide pre and post Doppler studies of
the same patients.

If neither are forthcoming, run like hell.

BTW, insurance often does not pay for useless treatments.
They do not want to be on the financial hook for years
without an improvement in the insured.

"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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"rb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Well Kim my darling, if you are truly here to learn
about

alternatives

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the only thing you'll learn about alternatives from
Ilsa(whoever he

really

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is? Nidiffer? Weedkiller? etc?) is that no alternatives
at all work. Ask

him

Quoted message said:

about alternatives for your mild case of arthritis if
you don't believe

me?
====================
I'm hoping SOMEONE makes some suggestions regarding the
questions I've asked: My friend's diabetes and my own
hypothyroidism.

As for an alt regarding my arthritis, I've tried
Glucosamine 500mgs and Chondroitin 400mgs but so far I
can't see where they've helped any after 8 or 9 months. I
don't take any other painkillers because it's really quite
mild.

My BIL had bad knees, always painful, which resulted in his
retirement as a Captain from the NYPD. He went on
Glucosamine/Chondroitin and, after *2* years, began to see a
significant difference in how his knees felt. He left the NY
area at the same time, lives in FL, and is head of security
at a hospital. He credits both a change in lifestyle and the
use of G/C to his improvement.

He is also 59.