Downer Cows

"The Wolf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Why is the farm lobby opposed to slaughter of these cows for human consumption in the U.S.?

How many are there?

It's not the farmers who are against it. It's the animal rights activist. The downer cows that can
be eaten for human consumption are injured animals. I checked with my dad (a dairy farmer), and
animals that are down due to illness cannot be eaten for human consumption.

Most of these downer cows are dairy animals that fall or get physically hurt somehow. Rather than
just put the cow down, the farmers try to recoup part of the lost profit/animal worth by selling her
for meat. Even taking precautions, most farmers are going to have a cow get hurt really badly at
some point in time. As much as you'd like to try to save the animals, the cost usually isn't
justifiable. If you're trying to make ends meet or run a business, you really can't justify spending
five or six thousand dollars trying to save an animal that's probably only worth 1,000-1,500
dollars, perhaps maybe around 2,000-2,500 if it's a registered animal. Even if you do put forth the
money, there's always the chance that the surgery, etc isn't going to work and the animal still
won't be able to walk... It's just really sad. My family has a dairy farm, and unfortuneatly, we
have lost a few cows over the years. It's absolutely heartbreaking to lose an animal like that...

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"The Wolf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Why is the farm lobby opposed to slaughter of these cows for human consumption in the U.S.?

How many are there?

It's not the farmers who are against it. It's the animal rights activist.

Those people are beyond the pale by any standard. Anyone belonging to peta should have their mugs on
one of Rummy's Iraqi playing cards.

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The downer cows that can be eaten for human consumption are injured animals. I checked with my dad
(a dairy farmer), and animals that are down due to illness cannot be eaten for human consumption.

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Most of these downer cows are dairy animals that fall or get physically hurt somehow.

Thanks for the info, that makes sense. I knew their had to be more to it than the *media* puts out.

Rather than just put the cow down, the farmers try to recoup part

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of the lost profit/animal worth by selling her for meat. Even taking precautions, most farmers are
going to have a cow get hurt really badly at some point in time. As much as you'd like to try to
save the animals, the cost usually isn't justifiable. If you're trying to make ends meet or run a
business, you really can't justify spending five or six thousand dollars trying to save an animal
that's probably only worth 1,000-1,500 dollars, perhaps maybe around 2,000-2,500 if it's a
registered animal. Even if you do put forth the money, there's always the chance that the surgery,
etc isn't going to work and the animal still won't be able to walk... It's just really sad. My
family has a dairy farm, and unfortuneatly, we have lost a few cows over the years. It's
absolutely heartbreaking to lose an animal like that...

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Gentlemen,

What horse [censored] these people are spewing!! I live in Yakima, Washington the dairy this cow came from
sent it to market SICK, the vet took samples to be tested and they still sent it to a slaughter
house in Moses Lake Washington, split it up then sent parts to Centralia Washington. Then parts of
the processed meat was sent to Oregon.

This cow had SYMPTOMS, it was SICK. 73 percent of all SICK and injured cows are butchered for human
consumption! The only reason they are able to track the cows lineage and history is that it is a
dairy cow. Plan old beef steers have no paper work.

To pass this off as a "Oh, I thought there was more to the story" is dumb.

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Why is the farm lobby opposed to slaughter of these cows for human consumption in the U.S.?

How many are there?
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Diggery Dew said:

Gentlemen,

What horse [censored] these people are spewing!! I live in Yakima, Washington the dairy this cow came
from sent it to market SICK, the vet took samples to be tested and they still sent it to a
slaughter house in Moses Lake Washington, split it up then sent parts to Centralia Washington.
Then parts of the processed meat was sent to Oregon.

This cow had SYMPTOMS, it was SICK. 73 percent of all SICK and injured cows are butchered for
human consumption! The only reason they are able to track the cows lineage and history is that it
is a dairy cow. Plan old beef steers have no paper work.

To pass this off as a "Oh, I thought there was more to the story" is dumb.

I'd like to know why they were feeding dairy cows grain laden with animal protein.

Practice safe eating - always use condiments

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Diggery Dew said:

Gentlemen,

What horse [censored] these people are spewing!! I live in Yakima,

Washington the

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dairy this cow came from sent it to market SICK, the vet took samples

to be

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tested and they still sent it to a slaughter house in Moses Lake

Washington,

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split it up then sent parts to Centralia Washington. Then parts of the processed meat was sent
to Oregon.

This cow had SYMPTOMS, it was SICK. 73 percent of all SICK and injured

cows

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are butchered for human consumption! The only reason they are able to

track

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the cows lineage and history is that it is a dairy cow. Plan old beef steers have no paper
work.

To pass this off as a "Oh, I thought there was more to the story" is

dumb.

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I'd like to know why they were feeding dairy cows grain laden with animal protein.

I'd like to know why the cow was sent off before the test results were returned. The government said
the beef supply is safe. I'm sure gonna miss my steaks.

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Why is the farm lobby opposed to slaughter of these cows for human consumption in the U.S.?

How many are there?
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It may not be time to panic but it is certainly time to make changes. In fact the farmers and feed
lot owners involved in this are reputable people. People need to realize this parctice of
adulterating feed is a practice of the industry.

Just like ecoli this was a time bomb waiting to go off. We are no safer today from ecoli except that
we have been made well aware to cook hamburger thouroghly.

The political and economic disaster this will cause is far more costly than having done business
correctly in the first place.

There are about 100 million cows in the U.S., one third of which are slaughtered each year. USDA
Testing on these cows amount ot one tenth of 1 percent.

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Why is the farm lobby opposed to slaughter of these cows for human consumption in the U.S.?

How many are there?

There aren't usually that many. It looks good on paper, that's mostly why they're opposed to it, as
nobody involved has yet said with 100% accuracy just what it is that causes or spreads Mad Cow.

The basic methodology behind the opposition, is that slaughtering a healthy and "robust" cow will
produce healthy meat product, while a "downer cow" is often sickly or otherwise unhealthy. In
reality, I doubt your average farmer would attempt to present a diseased cow for slaughter, as even
the thought might make people question his meat's health next time.

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I'd like to know why they were feeding dairy cows grain laden with animal protein.

In general, lactating dairy cows, as any lactating animal, need a lot of protein and high energy
foodstuffs. Animal proteins are a good source for the protein, but cow byproducts are not not not
supposed to go into feed for other cows in this country. Other animal proteins--fish meal, for
example, are safe.

I just wish people [people working in feed manufacturing] would do what they are supposed to do and
follow the rules. People sometimes just do not think about what they're doing and the consequences.
I suppose no one was thinking about what if they made someone else's cows sick, or someone ate that
cow and got sick.

My family has a dairy farm. We would never intentionally feed our cows the stuff that they're not
supposed to have. We don't want them getting sick. There is a certain amount of trust you put in the
manufacturer that they're doing what they're supposed to and making a safe product for your animals
to eat, and it's maddening when something like this happens.

I think it is sick that they even use sick animals for slaughter! Hey if they're sick I don't want
them in my hamburger! I think WDC ought to bombarded to get this changed NOW!

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Diggery Dew said:

Gentlemen,

What horse [censored] these people are spewing!! I live in Yakima, Washington the dairy this cow came
from sent it to market SICK, the vet took samples to be tested and they still sent it to a
slaughter house in Moses Lake Washington, split it up then sent parts to Centralia Washington.
Then parts of the processed meat was sent to Oregon.

This cow had SYMPTOMS, it was SICK. 73 percent of all SICK and injured cows are butchered for
human consumption! The only reason they are able to track the cows lineage and history is that it
is a dairy cow. Plan old beef steers have no paper work.

To pass this off as a "Oh, I thought there was more to the story" is dumb.

I'd like to know why they were feeding dairy cows grain laden with animal protein.

Practice safe eating - always use condiments

On 12/26/2003 9:12 AM, in article
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opined:

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"sf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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I'd like to know why they were feeding dairy cows grain laden with animal protein.

In general, lactating dairy cows, as any lactating animal, need a lot of protein and high energy
foodstuffs. Animal proteins are a good source for the protein, but cow byproducts are not not not
supposed to go into feed for other cows in this country. Other animal proteins--fish meal, for
example, are safe.

I just wish people [people working in feed manufacturing] would do what they are supposed to do
and follow the rules. People sometimes just do not think about what they're doing and the
consequences. I suppose no one was thinking about what if they made someone else's cows sick, or
someone ate that cow and got sick.

My family has a dairy farm. We would never intentionally feed our cows the stuff that they're not
supposed to have. We don't want them getting sick. There is a certain amount of trust you put in
the manufacturer that they're doing what they're supposed to and making a safe product for your
animals to eat, and it's maddening when something like this happens.

You seem like an ethical person. Do you know if a human has EVER contracted this disease from
eating beef? England, Canada, etc.? I know the government goes WAY overboard with banning shellfish
from certain waters. The only people to die from tainted shellfish are alcoholics who's livers
don't work properly.

I never realized they render dogs and cats euthanized at the Humane Society and road kill for
cattle food.

It is kind of funny, you know you're in bad shape when Mexico refuses to import your beef!

DRB said:

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I'd like to know why they were feeding dairy cows grain laden with animal protein.

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My family has a dairy farm. We would never intentionally feed our cows the stuff that they're not
supposed to have. We don't want them getting sick. There is a certain amount of trust you put in
the manufacturer that they're doing what they're supposed to and making a safe product for your
animals to eat, and it's maddening when something like this happens.

Well, unless I'm out of date, as of this morning they were still tracing the origin of the cow. If
it came from Canada, it might have been legally fed something banned here, at some point.

nancy

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I'd like to know why they were feeding dairy cows grain laden with animal protein.

In general, lactating dairy cows, as any lactating animal, need a lot of protein and high energy
foodstuffs. Animal proteins are a good source for the protein, but cow byproducts are not not not
supposed to go into feed for other cows in this country. Other animal proteins--fish meal, for
example, are safe.

I'm not concerned with what's considered "safe" in this discussion (believe it or not). I'm not a
farmer or a scientist, but logic tells me that at the very least - grazing animals aren't built to
consume animal proteins. My real question is "Why can't cattle be fed extra protein from better
suited, vegetative sources, like soya"?

Practice safe eating - always use condiments

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I think it is sick that they even use sick animals for slaughter! Hey if they're sick I don't want
them in my hamburger! I think WDC ought to bombarded to get this changed NOW!

They can slaughter sick cows, but meat from the sick cows is not supposed to go into the human food
chain. Meat from a physically injured animals (Ie. the cow has broken it's leg, but does not have a
pathological disease) can be eaten.

I think there is a lot of misinformation going around out there, and this particular piece is one of
the biggest ones. Yes, you can eat meat from an injured animal, so long as the animal is not sick in
any other way at all. (The actualy injured area, ie the leg that's actually broken, is supposed to
be discarded). If the cow is sick with a disease, it's not supposed to be used for human
consumption...

This Diggery Dew is a fear monger, IMO. This person may live in the town that the cow came from, but
I'm sure there are probably a lot of rumors spreading around there too. This person probably heard a
rumor and got all worked up over it and just had to share. The whole thing about the vet taking
samples, then they sent the cow off? The animal has to be dead already to test for bse--they use
brain and spinal cord samples. You start taking parts of a living beings brain and spinal cord,
they're probably not going to recover from that. The cow has to be *alive* to sell it at market...
so, they couldn't have killed the cow, taken the samples, and then sent the cow off to be sold for
human consumption.

Nancy Young said:

Well, unless I'm out of date, as of this morning they were still tracing the origin of the cow. If
it came from Canada, it might have been legally fed something banned here, at some point.

Yup, I just KNEW the Canadians were behind this somehow! We should have ANNEXED CANADA a long time
ago, for the sake of our own HOMELAND SECURITY.

Gotta write me a letter to Prez. Bush, let him know we're all behind him, if he chooses to do the
right thing!

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DRB said:

"sf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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I'd like to know why they were feeding dairy cows grain laden with animal protein.

In general, lactating dairy cows, as any lactating animal, need a lot

of

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protein and high energy foodstuffs. Animal proteins are a good source

for

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the protein, but cow byproducts are not not not supposed to go into

feed

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for other cows in this country. Other animal proteins--fish meal, for example, are safe.

I'm not concerned with what's considered "safe" in this discussion (believe it or not). I'm not a
farmer or a scientist, but logic tells me that at the very least - grazing animals aren't built to
consume animal proteins. My real question is "Why can't cattle be fed extra protein from better
suited, vegetative sources, like soya"?

You know, I really don't know. I'll ask my dad when he gets in tonight.

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You seem like an ethical person. Do you know if a human has EVER

contracted

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this disease from eating beef? England, Canada, etc.? I know the

government

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goes WAY overboard with banning shellfish from certain waters. The only people to die from tainted
shellfish are alcoholics who's livers don't

work

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properly.

I know there were the people in England that have gotten CJD, but I'm not sure if it came from what
most of us American's would consider proper cuts of beef that were processed like they were supposed
to or if it came from consuming the unmentionables or cuts that were cross-contaminated. It's that
whole culture thing where stuff that does get eat in one place isn't touched in another. I think
America tends to lean towards the puritanical. I think I remember reading that there have only ever
been 153 documented cases of CJD world-wide total. I wonder if someone somewhere has gone back and
figured out how each person contracted it.

I also wonder if maybe some people are just more susceptible to it than others. It seems like if the
odds of contracting it were all that high, there would have been more cases.

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It is kind of funny, you know you're in bad shape when Mexico refuses to import your beef!

That is true, but I still think I'd rather eat American meat than anything I saw in Tijuana.... At
this point, I think everyone is just being really cautious... Perhaps overly. If you listen to the
news these days, I figure if you don't die from CJD, al-queda will get you, and if they don't get
you, you'll die in an earthquake. Maybe its time for us all to run around and scream "we're doomed,
we're doomed" <jk>.

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DRB said:

"sf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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I'd like to know why they were feeding dairy cows grain laden with animal protein.

In general, lactating dairy cows, as any lactating animal, need a lot of protein and high energy
foodstuffs. Animal proteins are a good source for the protein, but cow byproducts are not not
not supposed to go into feed for other cows in this country. Other animal proteins--fish meal,
for example, are safe.

I'm not concerned with what's considered "safe" in this discussion (believe it or not). I'm not a
farmer or a scientist, but logic tells me that at the very least - grazing animals aren't built to
consume animal proteins. My real question is "Why can't cattle be fed extra protein from better
suited, vegetative sources, like soya"?

Practice safe eating - always use condiments

Price is the overlaying reason for all of this. Animal meal is cheaper, "sick" cows are cheaper.
Unless you want high beef costs cheap methods and rules apply.

Animal meal is cheaper to make and buy than soy meal.

"Sick" Cows (within certain guidelines) can be bought by meat packers for less therefore they can
sell for less and make money.

Diary Cows aren't the usual source for human meat supplies. As these are older animals (therefore
tougher/stringier), and the dairy cow has a better medical history (more visits from the vet) than a
for beef bred cow; Because of the rules and regulations for milk and cheese. These types of animals
are used in beef stock cubes, potted meats, pet foods and cosmetics normally. More inspectors would
help stop this kind of thing. But since inspectors cost money it'll never happen...

It could have been worse...the farmer could have just shot and burried the cow....which would have
hidden the problem longer allowing it to spread more.

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I think there is a lot of misinformation going around out there, and this particular piece is one
of the biggest ones. Yes, you can eat meat from

an

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injured animal, so long as the animal is not sick in any other way at all. (The actualy injured
area, ie the leg that's actually broken, is supposed

to

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be discarded). If the cow is sick with a disease, it's not supposed to be used for human
consumption...

This Diggery Dew is a fear monger, IMO. This person may live in the town that the cow came from,
but I'm sure there are probably a lot of rumors spreading around there too. This person probably
heard a rumor and got

all

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worked up over it and just had to share. The whole thing about the vet taking samples, then they
sent the cow off? The animal has to be dead already to test for bse--they use brain and spinal
cord samples. You

start

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taking parts of a living beings brain and spinal cord, they're probably

not

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going to recover from that. The cow has to be *alive* to sell it at market... so, they couldn't
have killed the cow, taken the samples, and

then

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sent the cow off to be sold for human consumption.

Here is the link to the interview with the slaughter house owner. tinyurl.com2ybqoOpen ↗

There are a lot of weak links in the system.

I don't know why letting out factual information is fear mongoring.

Unless of course you would consider a person with a vested (family farm) interest as supporting
a cover-up.

You only need to read the news to find out this cow was sent to market after samples were taken and
before the suspected results verified. I dont think that is a rumor.

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I think it is sick that they even use sick animals for slaughter! Hey if they're sick I don't
want them in my hamburger! I think WDC ought to bombarded to get this changed NOW!

They can slaughter sick cows, but meat from the sick cows is not supposed

to

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go into the human food chain. Meat from a physically injured animals (Ie. the cow has broken it's
leg, but does not have a pathological disease) can be eaten.

I think there is a lot of misinformation going around out there, and this particular piece is one
of the biggest ones. Yes, you can eat meat from

an

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injured animal, so long as the animal is not sick in any other way at all. (The actualy injured
area, ie the leg that's actually broken, is supposed

to

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be discarded). If the cow is sick with a disease, it's not supposed to be used for human
consumption...

This Diggery Dew is a fear monger, IMO. This person may live in the town that the cow came from,
but I'm sure there are probably a lot of rumors spreading around there too. This person probably
heard a rumor and got

all

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worked up over it and just had to share. The whole thing about the vet taking samples, then they
sent the cow off? The animal has to be dead already to test for bse--they use brain and spinal
cord samples. You

start

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taking parts of a living beings brain and spinal cord, they're probably

not

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going to recover from that. The cow has to be *alive* to sell it at market... so, they couldn't
have killed the cow, taken the samples, and

then

Quoted message said:

sent the cow off to be sold for human consumption.

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