Discovery in disarray.... ?



musette said:
They are shedding the riders that are older and/or more expensive.There's nothing wrong with that approach. If their goal is to nurture a TdF winner, they will need at least a few years and that means they need younger accompanying riders.
What makes you think the younger riders will stay with Disco once they are finished being nurtured? Why shouldn't they go the same way as Boonen and Hoste?

Disco should have given Savoldelli whole hearted support during the Giro instead of bowing to Tommy D.'s delusions. It would not have changed the outcome of the Giro, but Savoldelli could have stayed with the team knowing he would get full support next year.
 
whiteboytrash said:
In the words of the Verve - "The drugs don't work".

There has been a distinct decline in Discovery’s performances since Operation Puerto... strange that....
In 2005, it was so strange how all DC recovered rapidly after the stage 8 where they had sunk in a very little "col".
 
The strategy in 2006 was just plain stupid. Boonen is the King at QuickStep but he wants the team to win. When Pozzato slipped away in the last km in Milan-San Remo, Boonen was smart enough to let him win for the team and the support he showed for Pozzato was that of a champion. You can't say the same the way Hincapie behaved towards Hoste. Surely no one is bigger than the team ? That’s why Boonen is a champion and Hincapie is an also ran. The strategy for Danielson to co-lead with Savo at the Giro was just ridiculous. Savo had won two Giro’s ! Danielson hadn’t even won a cat 1.1 race in Europe ! Now DC will never get young talented riders to join them from Europe. They will know that if a US rider comes along with less talent, less scores on the board, that they will always take a leadership role over the European. It’s just crazy.


Bro Deal said:
What makes you think the younger riders will stay with Disco once they are finished being nurtured? Why shouldn't they go the same way as Boonen and Hoste?

Disco should have given Savoldelli whole hearted support during the Giro instead of bowing to Tommy D.'s delusions. It would not have changed the outcome of the Giro, but Savoldelli could have stayed with the team knowing he would get full support next year.
 
Tom Danielson needs to acknowledge he has just been a big, sore disappointment as DC's Vuelta leader.

Some little snippets from his cyclingnews diary:

September 11: "I finished a little over a minute off the best time in the race against the clock today [Tom was 12th, 1'14 behind winner David Millar]. I would have liked to have been closer but we will see if I can improve in the next few days."

Translation: I haven't done anything particularly well on this Vuelta, and I was beaten by Stijn Devolder within the team in the ITT.

Septmeber 7:"I am down in the GC for a number of different reasons. Right now I don't have one clear objective, whether it is GC or a stage win; I just want to come out and show that I am strong, show that I am a fighter and show that I am not a quitter."

Translation: I'm in a really bad position, cos I have lost all hope of podiuming. I even thought about quitting, but I had to keep myself from doing that.

September 3: "Well, I was stronger today than in the other mountain stages, that is for sure. I was with the first guys, but Johan asked me to wait for Janez. That is what I had to do. I lost time the other day…I still don’t know why that happened, but my legs are better now. Today I was easy on the back of Marchante when Sastre attacked. Those guys were going across to Vino and Kashechkin and I was there. But when your teammate is in the gold jersey, I guess that is what you have to do… I can’t explain why I was so bad in the first few days, but today I felt good. It is very disappointing the way things turned out earlier on in the race. I am happy for Janez, the way things turned out for him [taking gold] but I am disappointed that I had that bad day, and also lost a bit of time on the first mountain stage.... As regards my plans from this point on, I will have to listen to what Johan says and see what I can do. I would love to win a stage. I will try, but first I would like to climb with the best guys. Today I felt like I could have…if you watched the stage on TV, you could see that I could have. …"

Translation: I resent that Johan told me to wait for Janez. Life sucks when one doesn't ride well and one has to heed the instructions of one's DS (gasp!). I'm now stuck in a domestique role. Why did this happen to me, and why is Janez taking over the spotlight within the team when I was designated leader? Hmm, maybe I shouldn't have said all those nasty things about being back-up leader for the Giro, where I also sucked, I guess. But I am young because I have so little European experience, even though my actual calendar age is not that that young. Hmm, I have to remind Kirsten to write a nice blurb about my loyalty to Janez in the Kristen's Corner blurb she regularly provides as an adjunct to my PR machine.

September 2: "I felt horrible yesterday. I felt bad the first day in the mountains and then yesterday was absolutely horrible. I could have ridden better up that climb in November! If you look at my performances all year, it just doesn't make any sense. I am not sick, there is nothing wrong with me - I have no idea what happened. I have never ridden that bad in my life. I was 36th on the mountain stage... 36th! I have never finished 36th on a mountain stage. I would like to tell you what is going to happen from now on but I can't. Yesterday was a very disappointing day for me. It was very difficult for me mentally when I realised in the first minute on the climb that I was going as hard as I could but there was no power coming out of my legs."

Translation: I sucked really really bad yestereday. I was "absolutely horrible".

August 30: "Today was the first day in the mountains of the 2006 Vuelta. It was windy and hard and just really hot. I didn't feel that super on the climb; I was okay, but not super. I am happy in that I didn't lose that much time despite having a bad day. think it might just be a case of the first day in the mountains. This is a special race, a long race, so there is a long way to go."

Translation: I was really bad in the first major climb. Gosh, I'm crossing my fingers things are gonna get better. Because I could become domestique to others on the DC squad soon. Now humiliating that would be for a self-annointed super-talented cyclist like myself.
 
Tom Danielson needs to acknowledge he has just been a big, sore disappointment as DC's Vuelta leader.

Some little snippets from his cyclingnews diary:

September 11: "I finished a little over a minute off the best time in the race against the clock today [Tom was 12th, 1'14 behind winner David Millar]. I would have liked to have been closer but we will see if I can improve in the next few days."

Translation: I haven't done anything particularly well on this Vuelta, and I was beaten by Stijn Devolder within the team in the ITT.

Septmeber 7:"I am down in the GC for a number of different reasons. Right now I don't have one clear objective, whether it is GC or a stage win; I just want to come out and show that I am strong, show that I am a fighter and show that I am not a quitter."

Translation: I'm in a really bad position, cos I have lost all hope of podiuming. I even thought about quitting, but I had to keep myself from doing that.

September 3: "Well, I was stronger today than in the other mountain stages, that is for sure. I was with the first guys, but Johan asked me to wait for Janez. That is what I had to do. I lost time the other day…I still don’t know why that happened, but my legs are better now. Today I was easy on the back of Marchante when Sastre attacked. Those guys were going across to Vino and Kashechkin and I was there. But when your teammate is in the gold jersey, I guess that is what you have to do… I can’t explain why I was so bad in the first few days, but today I felt good. It is very disappointing the way things turned out earlier on in the race. I am happy for Janez, the way things turned out for him [taking gold] but I am disappointed that I had that bad day, and also lost a bit of time on the first mountain stage.... As regards my plans from this point on, I will have to listen to what Johan says and see what I can do. I would love to win a stage. I will try, but first I would like to climb with the best guys. Today I felt like I could have…if you watched the stage on TV, you could see that I could have. …"

Translation: I resent that Johan told me to wait for Janez. Life sucks when one doesn't ride well and one has to heed the instructions of one's DS (gasp!). I'm now stuck in a domestique role. Why did this happen to me, and why is Janez taking over the spotlight within the team when I was designated leader? Hmm, maybe I shouldn't have said all those nasty things about being back-up leader for the Giro, where I also sucked, I guess. But I am young because I have so little European experience, even though my actual calendar age is not that that young. Hmm, I have to remind Kirsten to write a nice blurb about my loyalty to Janez in the Kristen's Corner blurb she regularly provides as an adjunct to my PR machine.

September 2: "I felt horrible yesterday. I felt bad the first day in the mountains and then yesterday was absolutely horrible. I could have ridden better up that climb in November! If you look at my performances all year, it just doesn't make any sense. I am not sick, there is nothing wrong with me - I have no idea what happened. I have never ridden that bad in my life. I was 36th on the mountain stage... 36th! I have never finished 36th on a mountain stage. I would like to tell you what is going to happen from now on but I can't. Yesterday was a very disappointing day for me. It was very difficult for me mentally when I realised in the first minute on the climb that I was going as hard as I could but there was no power coming out of my legs."

Translation: I sucked really really bad yestereday. I was "absolutely horrible".

August 30: "Today was the first day in the mountains of the 2006 Vuelta. It was windy and hard and just really hot. I didn't feel that super on the climb; I was okay, but not super. I am happy in that I didn't lose that much time despite having a bad day. think it might just be a case of the first day in the mountains. This is a special race, a long race, so there is a long way to go."

Translation: I was really bad in the first major climb. Gosh, I'm crossing my fingers things are gonna get better. Because I could become domestique to others on the DC squad soon. Now humiliating that would be for a self-annointed super-talented cyclist like myself.
 
Exactly. But the person who was really ****** was Stijn. He should have been let to go and Tom wait for Brak, but obviously based on past **** poor peformance, Bruyneel didnt trust Tom who might blow up like cheap Chinese fireworks at any moment, to pace Brak alone so he made TWO riders stay back as a form of public humiliation to Tom and respect for the jersey.

What IS the deal with Tom?
He should ride smaller shorter races and feel happy on that level.
 
Was anyone - other than Tom Danielson - touting Tom Danielson as the next great US rider?

I can't think of any cycling correspondent who touted him as being exceptionally good.

The DC publicity machine tried to project Danielson as something special.

The problem for DC is that they knew in July 2005 that Armstrong would not be there.
A year later and they're in a confused state, to say the least.
 
Even Bruyneel has lost the faith.... as reported by VeloNews:
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VN:
Has Danielson been sick or struggling with some other problem?[/size]

[size=-1]JB: It just didn't work. We thought he would be super-good, the first day he was okay, then day after he was not good at all. That's the way it is, you cannot program the human body.[/size]

[size=-1]VN: Do you still believe Danielson can be a grand tour candidate in the future?[/size]

[size=-1]JB: He's definitely a top-10 contender. How far he can get, I don't know. I was hoping in this Vuelta he could be top 5, he lost some time already. It's still possible he could be close to the top 10.[/size]

limerickman said:
Was anyone - other than Tom Danielson - touting Tom Danielson as the next great US rider?

I can't think of any cycling correspondent who touted him as being exceptionally good.

The DC publicity machine tried to project Danielson as something special.

The problem for DC is that they knew in July 2005 that Armstrong would not be there.
A year later and they're in a confused state, to say the least.
 
Really guys, the first time I heard of Danielson was on this forum. No one talks about this guy in Europe, except as one of the riders on Discovery. Come on...
 
Powerful Pete said:
Really guys, the first time I heard of Danielson was on this forum. No one talks about this guy in Europe, except as one of the riders on Discovery. Come on...
Well, part of it is down to the fact that he has only been riding in Europe a few seasons. He came to the the European circuit late in his career - was he a MTBiker before that?

He has had some decent results - was he top 10 in the Vuelta last yea? And he took the Tour of Austria easily in 2006.

But then again he hasnt come close to a stage win in the Giros or Vuelta's he rode.

He does have his own coffee range though. Did Pantani ever make that breakthrough?
http://www.tomdanielson.com/pages/tdcoffee.htm
 
limerickman said:
Was anyone - other than Tom Danielson - touting Tom Danielson as the next great US rider?

He was always touted as a hopeful with a lot of potential - every race was supposed to be his breakthrough race, he started every season with hype about doing something big this year... Most folks have pretty much given up on him by now.
 
wicklow200 said:
He does have his own coffee range though. Did Pantani ever make that breakthrough?
http://www.tomdanielson.com/pages/tdcoffee.htm
LOL, no, no coffee line (but this is Italy, coffee line schmoffee line, go to a decent bar for a wonderful espresso!). :p

On the other hand, his parents own and still operate a piadina stand, which is a local (only from Romagna, his home region) sandwich... translate from this site... http://www.piadinaonline.com/

Yummy, with a glass of the local red... :cool:
 
I think TD is good at one thing, uphill time trials. Doesn't quite have enough power for the flat ones, and he can't follow accelerations during road stage climbs (which is the sign of a really good climber). Fine he's broken lots of hill climb records, but that is climbing at his own pace, without having to react to attacks etc from other people.

Still, he seems to be improving slowly, he's taken a GT stage win, so maybe in a couple of years time he might podium. Afterall, Vino first podiumed in a GT at 30. For example. But at the moment he is deffinitely not a top flight climber.
 
linenoiz said:
It does seem that people are leaving Disco in flocks.
There is a pretty good shuffle going on this year. I heard the Discovery Landscape crew and the Accounting staff are fed up with Disco as well. Some are moving to Lampre and others to Liquigas.

lw
 
lwedge said:
There is a pretty good shuffle going on this year. I heard the Discovery Landscape crew and the Accounting staff are fed up with Disco as well. Some are moving to Lampre and others to Liquigas.

lw
And that secretive little guy who delivered "special pakages" to the hotels late at might, he decided to go back to medical school. The medical school let him skip most of the "101" classes because he seemed to have a really good grasp on blood transusions, medication scheduling, and highly skilled in "pharmacutical detection". And he took Franki Andrue off his X-mas card list.
 
yikes


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/cycling/5367764.stm


Discovery Channel axe 11 riders

The Discovery Channel team is releasing 11 riders, many of whom helped Lance Armstrong to one or more of his seven straight Tour de France titles.
Among those leaving are Manuel Beltran, two-time Giro d'Italia winner Paolo Savoldelli and Briton Roger Hammond.

"After the retirement of Lance in 2005, it was natural for our team to begin making changes," said Discovery Channel manager Johan Bruyneel.

"We are now looking at new objectives in addition to the Tour de France."

The other riders leaving are Jose Azevedo, Benoit Joachim, Michael Barry, Leif Hoste, Gennady Mikhaylov, Jurgen Van Den Broeck and Max Van Heeswijk.

Russian Viatcheslav Ekimov will move into management as an assistant to Bruyneel.

Meanwhile, Discovery have recruited Uros Murn of Slovenia and Gianni Meersman of Belgium to the team.