Crazy Accident

I assume you're in the US? The car driver's insurance should cover 100%
of the damage to your friend's car AND bike. Even in a no-fault-state,
as long as your friend was parked legally. If they're not offering
complete coverage, he should find a lawyer.

Looks like the water bottles might be salvageable. (j/k)

I cannot imagine that there will be any problem with the other driver's
insurance company, on either the bike or the car, assuming that driver
HAS insurance. If (s)he doesn't, I expect it may be a long, drawn out
affair to get payment.

If I owned the bike shop, I'd say, "We already called Specialized to
order you a replacement bike. It'll be here ready for you in a few
days. You can have your trade-in back to ride until things are
straightened out." What happened in the parking lot isn't their problem.

I didn't look at all of the pictures, but as long as they include some
of the flying car's license plate, and there is a police report, things
will surely work out. Sorry it happened, but the bike buyer is OK, so
it is mostly an inconvenience, not a tragedy, thank goodness.

"Colin Campbell" wrote: (clip) If I owned the bike shop, I'd say, "We
already called Specialized to order you a replacement bike. It'll be here
ready for you in a few days. You can have your trade-in back to ride until
things are straightened out." What happened in the parking lot isn't their
problem.(clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You write a nice, fanciful fairy tale. The owner of the shop has bills to
pay. He pays for insurance, but this loss was not his, and will not be
covered. The driver of the out-of-control car is responsible, so if he was
insured, the car and the bike will both be taken care of. What logic is
there to say the bike shop should replace anything? Should they also repair
the car?

Llatikcuf said:

Friend of a friend bought a ~$2000 Specialized bike at a bike shop. He
walks out to his car (the Audi in the pictures) turns around to see a
car jump the curb at high speed (flying at him about waist level -- no
joke). He drops the bike and dives for cover. The car (The Chevy) hits
his bike and barrels into his car. This all happens in the bike shop
parking lot ~20ft from the front door.

http://www.bicyclecenter.com/accident/

Bike shop said, "You bought the bike and walked out the door, not our
problem."

Any thoughts? Sure, it's not the shops fault, but I thought the shop
should help out a little - at least give him a new bike at cost. From
what I hear we have yet to see what the insurance will do.

Why on earth should the shop pay for some idiot's actions that's not even
their customer? Idiot's thirdparty insurance will cover the bike and
accessories, as well as the car damage. If he's uninsured, you're screwed.
Which is why third party insurance is mandatory.

The bike shop might, if the Idiot does turn out to be uninsured, give your
mate some discount, just because they won't have to provide after-sales
service on the wrecked gear -- but it won't be more than a hundred or two.

Jasper

Llatikcuf said:

Bike shop said, "You bought the bike and walked out the door, not our
problem."

Any thoughts? Sure, it's not the shops fault, but I thought the shop
should help out a little - at least give him a new bike at cost. From
what I hear we have yet to see what the insurance will do.

-Nate

Fault and insurance have nothing to do with anything. All for-profit
businesses are just cash piles for the public to dip into at their
convience.

I think I'll get good and drunk then ram my old junker car thru the
front of a nice LBS and demand some new bikes for my trouble. That'll
learn 'em.

Leo Lichtman said:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You write a nice, fanciful fairy tale. The owner of the shop has bills to
pay. He pays for insurance, but this loss was not his, and will not be
covered. The driver of the out-of-control car is responsible, so if he was
insured, the car and the bike will both be taken care of. What logic is
there to say the bike shop should replace anything? Should they also repair
the car?

Who said the bike shop should replace it? Did you read my post? I said
it would be a kind gesture for the shop not to make twice the profit
for one sale.

-Nate

Quoted message said:

Why on earth should the shop pay for some idiot's actions.......

I suggested the shop help him out and give him the same bike AT THEIR
COST! The shop pays/loses nothing.

-Nate

Uh, ok.

Clarification to previous post:

I am not suggesting the shop give him a new bike at the cost of the
shop, that is ridicules. I am suggesting that the shop offer him a
replacement discounted to the shops cost. The shop made the profit for
their sale, why should he pay it twice? Is this such a crazy idea? I've
seen shops offer a crash replacement program, what's the difference?
I guess if the insurance is pays it does not make much difference
though.

-Nate

"Llatikcuf" wrote: Who said the bike shop should replace it? Did you read
my post?(clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Did you read MY post? I was not quoting you. I was quoting Colin Campbell.

"Llatikcuf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Friend of a friend bought a ~$2000 Specialized bike at a bike shop. He
walks out to his car (the Audi in the pictures) turns around to see a
car jump the curb at high speed (flying at him about waist level -- no
joke). He drops the bike and dives for cover. The car (The Chevy) hits
his bike and barrels into his car. This all happens in the bike shop
parking lot ~20ft from the front door.

http://www.bicyclecenter.com/accident/

Bike shop said, "You bought the bike and walked out the door, not our
problem."

Any thoughts? Sure, it's not the shops fault, but I thought the shop
should help out a little - at least give him a new bike at cost. From
what I hear we have yet to see what the insurance will do.

You have a lot of photos here. Any of the driver?

JF

Your friend's friend is unhurt, that's the most important thing.

I was cruising Oakland CA yesterday and around 2pm all these cop cars going
flying by me, then 3 minutes later a TV truck. Normally I steer clear but
this time I chase the TV truck. About 10 blocks away, at 55th and MLK some
cyclist got shot by a passing motorist. I repeat, SHOT. I saw the guy
getting ambulanced out, looked hopefully to be none life threatening.

Another one of Oakland's less pleasant neighborhoods so could have been an
errant drug deal or something, not a [censored] motorist. Unless he was
[censored] for getting a bad count on his crack purchase.

Rick

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Quoted message said:

Friend of a friend bought a ~$2000 Specialized bike at a bike shop. He
walks out to his car (the Audi in the pictures) turns around to see a
car jump the curb at high speed (flying at him about waist level -- no
joke). He drops the bike and dives for cover. The car (The Chevy) hits
his bike and barrels into his car. This all happens in the bike shop
parking lot ~20ft from the front door.

http://www.bicyclecenter.com/accident/

Bike shop said, "You bought the bike and walked out the door, not our
problem."

Any thoughts? Sure, it's not the shops fault, but I thought the shop
should help out a little - at least give him a new bike at cost. From
what I hear we have yet to see what the insurance will do.

-Nate

Nate Llatikcuf said:

Clarification to previous post:

Quoted message said:

I am not suggesting the shop give him a new bike at the cost of the
shop, that is ridicules. I am suggesting that the shop offer him a
replacement discounted to the shops cost. The shop made the profit
for their sale, why should he pay it twice? Is this such a crazy
idea? I've seen shops offer a crash replacement program, what's the
difference? I guess if the insurance is pays it does not make much
difference though.

What's the difference? With no markup the shop is in effect making an
out of pocket gift. It's no different than a handout of smaller
proportion. The replacement bicycle needs assembly and service.

Jobst Brandt

Jim Flom said:

You have a lot of photos here. Any of the driver?

JF

No. The driver was a 25 year old woman that hit the gas instead of the
brake when trying to make an emergency stop.

-Nate

I hear lack of beer drives Mormons batty enough to cyclocide.

"Llatikcuf" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

Quoted message said:

No. The driver was a 25 year old woman that hit the gas instead of the
brake when trying to make an emergency stop.

I do that all the time.

JF

On 11 Nov 2005 14:39:35 -0800, "Llatikcuf" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Any thoughts? Sure, it's not the shops fault, but I thought the shop
should help out a little - at least give him a new bike at cost. From
what I hear we have yet to see what the insurance will do.

The bike shop is, as you say, entirely not at fault from the
description; what difference would it have made if the bike was
crushed 50 miles away?

The Chevy driver's insurance company needs to replace the bike,
bearing the *entire* cost, at full retail. There is zero cause for
the bike shop to give up one penny of profit to the creep who caused
the accident or the insurance company that underwrote the coverage.
And the insurance needs to replace that helmet, too.

If, on the other hand, the insurance company opts to pay the bike
owner instead of replacing the bike or directly paying for the
replacement, then the bike shop could, at the shop owner's option,
give the purchaser a discount which the *buyer* could keep.

There is, however, neither cause nor justification for the bike shop
to give the insurance company a better deal than they gave the bike's
purchaser.
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Why on earth should the shop pay for some idiot's actions.......

I suggested the shop help him out and give him the same bike AT THEIR
COST! The shop pays/loses nothing.

-Nate

Nate: There's more profit to be made if the shop sells a bike to a
*different* customer than twice to the same one. The guy who had the bike
destroyed isn't going to be coming back in for all manner of accessories etc
twice as much, just because he had to buy a second bike. And the shop
selling the bike "twice" as you believe... they still have to pay to have it
assembled, carrying costs (finance charges), freight, etc etc. And if it was
a desirable bike that's tough for them to get, they might lose a sale to
somebody else who comes in. Ultimately, it comes down to what the shop does
with its money. There's only so much of it to go around; money spent on
inventory can't be used for something else. Missed opportunity costs, as
they teach in economics.

And finally, given that this isn't the shop's fault or the customer's, why
in the world would you want the person responsible for such an accident to
get a break at someone else's expense? This will hopefully be a matter for
an insurance company, and that insurance company darned well better be
willing to pay up pronto, and in-full.

The bike shop's responsibility in this case is to help coordinate things
with the insurance company to get the guy back on a bike as quickly as
possible. And I imagine they will.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Why on earth should the shop pay for some idiot's actions.......

I suggested the shop help him out and give him the same bike AT THEIR
COST! The shop pays/loses nothing.

-Nate

ellis said:

I hear lack of beer drives Mormons batty enough to cyclocide.

Mormons are crazy to begin with....