chilling to watch

"sf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I found this on another news group today.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11925653 It's something that will strike
fear into the hearts of many parents.

You'll need to use IE (MSNBC doesn't support other browser) and you
have to tolerate a brief advertisement; carry on; stiff upper lip....

The rest is eye opening human behavior. Please pay attention to the
explanation.
--

I cried watching that.
Personally, I am a get involved type person, sometimes to my detriment. I was in the
hospital with a broken cheek bone after stepping in when I saw a "father" (and I use
the term lightly) jerking his daughter around by her hair at the zoo. I told him to
pick on someone his own size, and he came at me so rapidly I was caught off guard. He
was then ignorant enough to stand there gloating after he hit me, and I thanked him
with a sharp upswing of my knee. The driver of the tour bus intervened and he was
arrested.

kimberly

sf said:

I found this on another news group today.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11925653 It's something that will strike
fear into the hearts of many parents.

You'll need to use IE (MSNBC doesn't support other browser) and you
have to tolerate a brief advertisement; carry on; stiff upper lip....

The rest is eye opening human behavior. Please pay attention to the
explanation.

I didn't find it particularly eye-opening. The problem is that fractious
kids are so common these days, and the kids WILL say anything in the midst
of their tantrums. The people walking by just saw another brat.

If the majority of kids these days were well-behaved, THEN the onlookers
would have reacted, because the odds of it BEING an abduction would have
overshadowed the likelihood that it was just a spoiled kid acting up.

Bob

Quoted message said:

sf said:

I found this on another news group today.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11925653 It's something that will strike
fear into the hearts of many parents.

You'll need to use IE (MSNBC doesn't support other browser) and you
have to tolerate a brief advertisement; carry on; stiff upper lip....

The rest is eye opening human behavior. Please pay attention to the
explanation.

I was not able to load the page.
Did not have the right software I guess?

Wierd.

Om

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Quoted message said:

sf said:

I found this on another news group today.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11925653 It's something that will strike
fear into the hearts of many parents.

You'll need to use IE (MSNBC doesn't support other browser) and you
have to tolerate a brief advertisement; carry on; stiff upper lip....

The rest is eye opening human behavior. Please pay attention to the
explanation.

I was not able to load the page.
Did not have the right software I guess?

It worked for me and it was very frightening🙁

O

Ophelia said:

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Quoted message said:

sf wrote:

>I found this on another news group today.
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11925653 It's something that will strike
>fear into the hearts of many parents.
>
>You'll need to use IE (MSNBC doesn't support other browser) and you
>have to tolerate a brief advertisement; carry on; stiff upper lip....
>
>The rest is eye opening human behavior. Please pay attention to the
>explanation.

I was not able to load the page.
Did not have the right software I guess?

It worked for me and it was very frightening🙁

O

Probably best I missed it then.
I have nephews to worry about. :-(

On 25 Apr 2006 13:02:05 -0500, "Bob Terwilliger"

virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz said:

sf said:

I found this on another news group today.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11925653 It's something that will strike
fear into the hearts of many parents.

You'll need to use IE (MSNBC doesn't support other browser) and you
have to tolerate a brief advertisement; carry on; stiff upper lip....

The rest is eye opening human behavior. Please pay attention to the
explanation.

I didn't find it particularly eye-opening. The problem is that fractious
kids are so common these days, and the kids WILL say anything in the midst
of their tantrums. The people walking by just saw another brat.

If the majority of kids these days were well-behaved, THEN the onlookers
would have reacted, because the odds of it BEING an abduction would have
overshadowed the likelihood that it was just a spoiled kid acting up.

I taught my daughter and Crash's daughter to yell, "This isn't my
mom/dad!" if someone grabbed them.

I didn't watch the clip because I don't use IE. So I'm just guessing
what it was about, based on Bob's contribution.

Carol
--

Some people are like Slinkies... they don't really have a purpose but
they bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.

Stolen from "traid" on the IRC

Bob Terwilliger said:

I didn't find it particularly eye-opening. The problem is that fractious
kids are so common these days, and the kids WILL say anything in the midst
of their tantrums. The people walking by just saw another brat.

If the majority of kids these days were well-behaved, THEN the onlookers
would have reacted, because the odds of it BEING an abduction would have
overshadowed the likelihood that it was just a spoiled kid acting up.

I have a hard time watching video on my slow old mac, but I get the
gist of it from people's posts.

I have taught my daughter that she is to yell, "You're a stranger!
You're not my mom! Somebody help me! This is a stranger!" if she ever
gets in a situation where she is being harassed or abducted. I'veseen
too many people turn away from kids acting up becasue families deserve
their 'privacy'.

My worst nightmare is that someone does something to my daughter, but
her pleas for help are ignored and assumed to be a temper tantrum.

Jude said:

I have a hard time watching video on my slow old mac, but I get the
gist of it from people's posts.

Quoted message said:

I have taught my daughter that she is to yell, "You're a stranger!
You're not my mom! Somebody help me! This is a stranger!" if she ever

I just watched it and the kid *was* yelling, "You're not my dad, somebody
help me!" People looked, but did not act, until two guys stepped up
and then a bunch of people started act. The two things I get from this
are that there are a lot of blended families these days and a kid might
indeed just be a brat and say to her step-father, "you're not my dad,"
and if one person starts to act others who kind of want to do something
will follow.

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My worst nightmare is that someone does something to my daughter, but
her pleas for help are ignored and assumed to be a temper tantrum.

Fortunately, despite what TV "news" programs would have us believe,
stranger abduction is really very rare. I'm not saying it doesn't
happen, just not as much as you might think if you watch a lot of
television. Most missing kids are taken by estranged parents.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

Quoted message said:

Jude said:

I have a hard time watching video on my slow old mac, but I get the
gist of it from people's posts.

Quoted message said:

I have taught my daughter that she is to yell, "You're a stranger!
You're not my mom! Somebody help me! This is a stranger!" if she ever

I just watched it and the kid *was* yelling, "You're not my dad, somebody
help me!" People looked, but did not act, until two guys stepped up
and then a bunch of people started act. The two things I get from this
are that there are a lot of blended families these days and a kid might
indeed just be a brat and say to her step-father, "you're not my dad,"
and if one person starts to act others who kind of want to do something
will follow.

Thus the combination of "you're not my mom" AND "you're a stranger".
Hopefully a combination thatw ill perk up someone's ears.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My worst nightmare is that someone does something to my daughter, but
her pleas for help are ignored and assumed to be a temper tantrum.

Fortunately, despite what TV "news" programs would have us believe,
stranger abduction is really very rare. I'm not saying it doesn't
happen, just not as much as you might think if you watch a lot of
television. Most missing kids are taken by estranged parents.

Well, there has been a rash of freaks hanging out and harassing kids
before and after school, on the walk home or at the bus stop, this
school year. At least 8 of them in our district since fall. (Va Beach.
As a teacher, we hear about each and every one of them and have to warn
the kids. Mostly midle-school targets. Not all for abduction, but we've
had a flashing or two as well.)

And many other childrenare taken by uncles, babysitters, etc - close
friends/family, but not the parents.

But the point is, she knows to yell this phrase no matter what the
siuation. She's 9, and old enough to understand that people may be
hesitant to step in - she's had more than her fair share of public
temper tantrums - and she knows that "youre a stranger" could be key
words to people who might otherwise turn a blind eye.

Besides, it's the best I could come up with. I'll gladly take any
better suggestions!

PS, I'd love it if her Dad cared enough to want to baduct her. (sick
joke.) He hasn't seen her sice Thanksgiving, plans to see her for just
under a week in July and then god know when after that. Calls her for
about 15 minutes once a week. NOT one I'd worry about kidnapping her; I
have a hard enough time trying to convince him to fulfill more than
one-tenth of his vistiation rights as it is!

Quoted message said:

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

"Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

sf said:

I found this on another news group today.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11925653 It's something that will strike
fear into the hearts of many parents.

You'll need to use IE (MSNBC doesn't support other browser) and you
have to tolerate a brief advertisement; carry on; stiff upper lip....

The rest is eye opening human behavior. Please pay attention to the
explanation.

I didn't find it particularly eye-opening. The problem is that fractious
kids are so common these days, and the kids WILL say anything in the midst
of their tantrums. The people walking by just saw another brat.

I could care less if they thought it was a kid being a brat...they have an OBLIGATION
to find out. Making excuses and blaming it on the kids...that's ludicrous.

Quoted message said:

If the majority of kids these days were well-behaved, THEN the onlookers
would have reacted, because the odds of it BEING an abduction would have
overshadowed the likelihood that it was just a spoiled kid acting up.

Bob

Ever hear the phrase better safe than sorry? I find that a sorry excuse for not
getting involved. Kids are not born brats. And I do not believe the majority of them
are, nor do I believe they weren't in the past. The woman even said it wasn't because
she thought the kid was having a tantrum...she thought "someone else would take
responsibility" and people saying things like you just did make it ok for her to do
that.

If it was your kid, wouldn't you want someone to get involved?

kimberly

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On 25 Apr 2006 13:02:05 -0500, "Bob Terwilliger"

virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz said:

sf said:

I found this on another news group today.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11925653 It's something that will strike
fear into the hearts of many parents.

You'll need to use IE (MSNBC doesn't support other browser) and you
have to tolerate a brief advertisement; carry on; stiff upper lip....

The rest is eye opening human behavior. Please pay attention to the
explanation.

I didn't find it particularly eye-opening. The problem is that fractious
kids are so common these days, and the kids WILL say anything in the midst
of their tantrums. The people walking by just saw another brat.

If the majority of kids these days were well-behaved, THEN the onlookers
would have reacted, because the odds of it BEING an abduction would have
overshadowed the likelihood that it was just a spoiled kid acting up.

I taught my daughter and Crash's daughter to yell, "This isn't my
mom/dad!" if someone grabbed them.

I didn't watch the clip because I don't use IE. So I'm just guessing
what it was about, based on Bob's contribution.

Carol
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She did yell that again and again....most people kept walking.

kimberly

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Probably best I missed it then.

I have nephews to worry about. :-(

They set up a scene where a man walked up to a young girl and began to drag
her away. The girl was shouting 'Help me' 'This is not my Dad' 🙁

It was horrifying the amount of people who walked by just watching; saying
and doing nothing 🙁

"Damsel in dis Dress" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > I
taught my daughter and Crash's daughter to yell, "This isn't my

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mom/dad!" if someone grabbed them.

I didn't watch the clip because I don't use IE. So I'm just guessing
what it was about, based on Bob's contribution.

I taught my daughter (many years ago) that if anyone approached her, she
must run in the opposite direction screaming loudly. Now I don't know about
you but it is very hard to make such a noise in the street. I made her
practice it over and over. The day came when a man overtook her in his car
as she walked to school early one morning, got out and started to walk
towards her. I thank God for the practice she had done because it just
kicked in and she didn't have to think about it, she just did it!

"Jude" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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But the point is, she knows to yell this phrase no matter what the
siuation. She's 9, and old enough to understand that people may be
hesitant to step in - she's had more than her fair share of public
temper tantrums - and she knows that "youre a stranger" could be key
words to people who might otherwise turn a blind eye.

Besides, it's the best I could come up with. I'll gladly take any
better suggestions!

I think that shouting 'You're a stranger' Is the best thing. At least it
gives no room to suppose anything else.

Ophelia said:

They set up a scene where a man walked up to a young girl and began to
drag
her away. The girl was shouting 'Help me' 'This is not my Dad' 🙁

It was horrifying the amount of people who walked by just watching; saying

and doing nothing 🙁

I would much rather kids be taught to yell "I don't know you" than "you're
not my dad" or similar. In my community, there are so many blended families
that "you're not my dad" is a common bratty kid refrain, meaning "you may be
my mother's husband/boyfriend/whatever, but you don't get to tell me what to
do".

--
To email, replace Cujo with Juno

L said:

I would much rather kids be taught to yell "I don't know you" than "you're
not my dad" or similar. In my community, there are so many blended families
that "you're not my dad" is a common bratty kid refrain, meaning "you may be
my mother's husband/boyfriend/whatever, but you don't get to tell me what to
do".

I don't care what they yell, as long as it is true. What do you propose be done
with brats who say things like that to get parents into trouble, or kids who
make false allegations of sexual abuse? Back in the good old days it was widely
recognized that troubled kids made false allegations of sexual abuse to get
authority figures into trouble. Nowadays they just have to hint at it and the
person accused is screwed.

I knew a girl who had made accusations against several men. Their neighbour was
jailed for molesting he, and the court ws harsh with him because he maintained
his innocence. A few years later she alleged rape. It turned out there had been
no rape. There had been no contact at all. The police were going to charge her
with public mischief but women's groups rallied to her defence, claiming that
charging her would make real victims reluctant to come forward. I fail to see
what her false allegations have to do with real victims.

A few months after than incident I ran into her in a hardware store on a very
rainy night. She knew that I had a pickup truck and was hinting that she needed
a ride home because of the rain. No way was that girl getting into a vehicle
with me without a half dozen witnesses. The last thing I wanted to do was to
help the poor girl out and end up as the victim of one of her twisted fantasies.

Dave Smith said:

L said:

I would much rather kids be taught to yell "I don't know you" than "you're
not my dad" or similar. In my community, there are so many blended families
that "you're not my dad" is a common bratty kid refrain, meaning "you may be
my mother's husband/boyfriend/whatever, but you don't get to tell me what to
do".

I don't care what they yell, as long as it is true. What do you propose be done
with brats who say things like that to get parents into trouble, or kids who
make false allegations of sexual abuse? Back in the good old days it was widely
recognized that troubled kids made false allegations of sexual abuse to get
authority figures into trouble. Nowadays they just have to hint at it and the
person accused is screwed.

I knew a girl who had made accusations against several men. Their neighbour was
jailed for molesting he, and the court ws harsh with him because he maintained
his innocence. A few years later she alleged rape. It turned out there had been
no rape. There had been no contact at all. The police were going to charge her
with public mischief but women's groups rallied to her defence, claiming that
charging her would make real victims reluctant to come forward. I fail to see
what her false allegations have to do with real victims.

A few months after than incident I ran into her in a hardware store on a very
rainy night. She knew that I had a pickup truck and was hinting that she needed
a ride home because of the rain. No way was that girl getting into a vehicle
with me without a half dozen witnesses. The last thing I wanted to do was to
help the poor girl out and end up as the victim of one of her twisted fantasies.

IMHO anyone making any allegations should be made to take lie detector
tests. Not just the accused.

It'd only be fair.

OmManiPadmiOmelet said:

IMHO anyone making any allegations should be made to take lie detector
tests. Not just the accused.

It'd only be fair.

It would if lie-detector tests were *accurate*.

serene

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Ophelia said:

They set up a scene where a man walked up to a young girl and began to
drag
her away. The girl was shouting 'Help me' 'This is not my Dad' 🙁

It was horrifying the amount of people who walked by just watching;
saying

and doing nothing 🙁

I would much rather kids be taught to yell "I don't know you" than "you're
not my dad" or similar. In my community, there are so many blended
families
that "you're not my dad" is a common bratty kid refrain, meaning "you may
be
my mother's husband/boyfriend/whatever, but you don't get to tell me what
to
do".

Quite so!