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  1. "Dave Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    A few months after than incident I ran into her in a hardware store on a
    very
    rainy night. She knew that I had a pickup truck and was hinting that she
    needed
    a ride home because of the rain. No way was that girl getting into a
    vehicle
    with me without a half dozen witnesses. The last thing I wanted to do was
    to
    help the poor girl out and end up as the victim of one of her twisted
    fantasies.

    Wise move!!!! Was the guy you mentioned released after she was known to be
    a liar?

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave Smith said:

    I knew a girl who had made accusations against several men. Their
    neighbour was jailed for molesting he, and the court ws harsh with
    him because he maintained his innocence. A few years later she
    alleged rape. It turned out there had been no rape. There had been no
    contact at all. The police were going to charge her with public
    mischief but women's groups rallied to her defence, claiming that
    charging her would make real victims reluctant to come forward. I
    fail to see what her false allegations have to do with real victims.

    A few months after than incident I ran into her in a hardware store
    on a very rainy night. She knew that I had a pickup truck and was
    hinting that she needed a ride home because of the rain. No way was
    that girl getting into a vehicle with me without a half dozen
    witnesses. The last thing I wanted to do was to help the poor girl
    out and end up as the victim of one of her twisted fantasies.

    This past year, there was a case like that in our area. A young
    woman, in her teens, claimed she had been raped, I believe by a black
    man. She was a minor, and the police put a priority on finding this
    guy, as they should have. As more of the story came out, it turned out
    that she had made it up, I can't remember if it was to cover up a
    pregnancy from consentual activity, or if she was just a sick weirdo
    anyway, but as there was no identified assailant, they couldn't sue for
    a false claim against him. I don't know if the police took her to
    court, because there were a lot of police working on this case, who
    could have been looking for a real rapist or murderer or whatever
    instead. I don't see how prosecuting false accusers would harm those
    with real accusations, I think making false accusers accountable for
    their actions would help the real accusers. That girl hurt the image of
    a real rape victim in our area for some time, and made people more
    skeptical, that doesn't help victims.

    Regards,
    Ranee

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  3. Serene said:
    OmManiPadmiOmelet said:

    IMHO anyone making any allegations should be made to take lie detector
    tests. Not just the accused.

    It'd only be fair.

    It would if lie-detector tests were *accurate*.

    serene

    Oddly enough, they will only be used _against_ you in court.
    AFAIK, they will never be used in your favor......

    Odd that, no?

    Om

  4. "Ranee Mueller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    This past year, there was a case like that in our area. A young
    woman, in her teens, claimed she had been raped, I believe by a black
    man. She was a minor, and the police put a priority on finding this
    guy, as they should have. As more of the story came out, it turned out
    that she had made it up, I can't remember if it was to cover up a
    pregnancy from consentual activity, or if she was just a sick weirdo
    anyway, but as there was no identified assailant, they couldn't sue for
    a false claim against him. I don't know if the police took her to
    court, because there were a lot of police working on this case, who
    could have been looking for a real rapist or murderer or whatever
    instead.

    It's very sad that she felt she had to make up a tale in the first place 🙁

    I don't see how prosecuting false accusers would harm those

    Quoted message said:

    with real accusations, I think making false accusers accountable for
    their actions would help the real accusers. That girl hurt the image of
    a real rape victim in our area for some time, and made people more
    skeptical, that doesn't help victims.

    No, it doesn't. But it does show that where rape is concerned, women are
    perceived as a homogenous group, rather than individuals - if this girl had
    claimed to be robbed, and it turned out to be false, would the next woman
    who actually *was* robbed have been regarded with scepticism? Probably not.
    The two cases would have been treated on their individual merits, and no
    particular connection made between the two.

    Jani

  5. "OmManiPadmiOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Serene said:
    OmManiPadmiOmelet said:

    IMHO anyone making any allegations should be made to take lie detector
    tests. Not just the accused.

    It'd only be fair.

    It would if lie-detector tests were *accurate*.

    serene

    Oddly enough, they will only be used _against_ you in court.
    AFAIK, they will never be used in your favor......

    Odd that, no?

    Om

    AFAIK, polygraphs are understood to have limited accuracy, but the
    willingness to undergo one is noted, in the course of police interviews.
    Whether or not they're admissible as evidence, I don't know, and would have
    to look up.

    Jani

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Jani said:

    No, it doesn't. But it does show that where rape is concerned, women are
    perceived as a homogenous group, rather than individuals - if this girl had
    claimed to be robbed, and it turned out to be false, would the next woman
    who actually *was* robbed have been regarded with scepticism? Probably not.
    The two cases would have been treated on their individual merits, and no
    particular connection made between the two.

    I'm not sure it points to women being perceived as a homogenous group
    so much as rape victims. It's a fine point, but I think it matters.
    Also, since rape is such a personal violation, and taints the
    perpetrator for life in a way that robbery doesn't, I think that is part
    of the reason someone falsely accusing someone of robbery isn't apt to
    make people skeptical of another accusation in the same way. Robbery is
    greed, and can be personal, it isn't a lifelong violation of a human.
    Rape is violent at its root, and has whole life consequences for the
    victim. They are not really comparable crimes, IMO.

    Regards,
    Ranee

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  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ranee Mueller said:

    I'm not sure it points to women being perceived as a homogenous group
    so much as rape victims. It's a fine point, but I think it matters.
    Also, since rape is such a personal violation, and taints the
    perpetrator for life in a way that robbery doesn't, I think that is part
    of the reason someone falsely accusing someone of robbery isn't apt to
    make people skeptical of another accusation in the same way. Robbery is
    greed, and can be personal, it isn't a lifelong violation of a human.
    Rape is violent at its root, and has whole life consequences for the
    victim. They are not really comparable crimes, IMO.

    Forgot to add:

    Also, except in cases of fraud, a false accusation of robbery (still
    using your comparison) means you have the wrong person. A false
    accusation of rape, when you find out that nothing actually happened, is
    an attempt to ruin someone else.

    Regards,
    Ranee

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  8. not -L said:


    Ophelia said:

    They set up a scene where a man walked up to a young girl and began to
    drag
    her away. The girl was shouting 'Help me' 'This is not my Dad' 🙁

    It was horrifying the amount of people who walked by just watching; saying

    and doing nothing 🙁

    I would much rather kids be taught to yell "I don't know you" than "you're
    not my dad" or similar. In my community, there are so many blended families
    that "you're not my dad" is a common bratty kid refrain, meaning "you may be
    my mother's husband/boyfriend/whatever, but you don't get to tell me what to
    do".

    Thanks, that is a big consideration!
    --

    Ham and eggs.
    A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig.

  9. "Ranee Mueller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Jani said:

    No, it doesn't. But it does show that where rape is concerned, women are
    perceived as a homogenous group, rather than individuals - if this girl
    had
    claimed to be robbed, and it turned out to be false, would the next woman
    who actually *was* robbed have been regarded with scepticism? Probably
    not.
    The two cases would have been treated on their individual merits, and no
    particular connection made between the two.

    I'm not sure it points to women being perceived as a homogenous group
    so much as rape victims. It's a fine point, but I think it matters.

    True, and a good point, but the majority of rape victims *are* women.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, since rape is such a personal violation, and taints the
    perpetrator for life in a way that robbery doesn't, I think that is part
    of the reason someone falsely accusing someone of robbery isn't apt to
    make people skeptical of another accusation in the same way.

    And yet, if a specific individual is falsely accused of robbery (as opposed
    to the supposed victim saying "I was robbed" when they weren't) this does
    not tend to colour people's perceptions of any subsequent allegations of
    robbery against other individuals. This is why I can't understand why one
    person being shown as a false accuser should prevent those who aren't from
    coming forward, except that where rape's concerned, there does seem to be a
    pervasive attitude that the existence of *some* false allegations proves
    that *all* allegations should be treated sceptically.

    Robbery is

    Quoted message said:

    greed, and can be personal, it isn't a lifelong violation of a human.
    Rape is violent at its root, and has whole life consequences for the
    victim. They are not really comparable crimes, IMO.

    Agreed, but I was looking at the way society sees the whole issue of false
    accusations, rather than the different impact on the victims.

    Quoted message said:

    Forgot to add:

    Quoted message said:

    Also, except in cases of fraud, a false accusation of robbery (still
    using your comparison) means you have the wrong person. A false
    accusation of rape, when you find out that nothing actually happened, is
    an attempt to ruin someone else.

    In both cases, if the allegation is known to be false (as opposed to a
    genuine mistake in identifying the perpetrator), then the aim is malicious.
    But we don't tend to say "because A accused B of theft and B was innocent,
    C's accusation of D will be treated as false" and thereby discourage C from
    making a *genuine* accusation against D.

    Jani

  10. Nexis said:

    "Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    sf said:

    I found this on another news group today.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11925653 It's something that will strike
    fear into the hearts of many parents.

    You'll need to use IE (MSNBC doesn't support other browser) and you
    have to tolerate a brief advertisement; carry on; stiff upper lip....

    The rest is eye opening human behavior. Please pay attention to the
    explanation.

    I didn't find it particularly eye-opening. The problem is that fractious
    kids are so common these days, and the kids WILL say anything in the midst
    of their tantrums. The people walking by just saw another brat.

    I could care less if they thought it was a kid being a brat...they have an OBLIGATION
    to find out. Making excuses and blaming it on the kids...that's ludicrous.

    Quoted message said:


    If the majority of kids these days were well-behaved, THEN the onlookers
    would have reacted, because the odds of it BEING an abduction would have
    overshadowed the likelihood that it was just a spoiled kid acting up.

    Bob

    Ever hear the phrase better safe than sorry? I find that a sorry excuse for not
    getting involved. Kids are not born brats. And I do not believe the majority of them
    are, nor do I believe they weren't in the past. The woman even said it wasn't because
    she thought the kid was having a tantrum...she thought "someone else would take
    responsibility" and people saying things like you just did make it ok for her to do
    that.

    If it was your kid, wouldn't you want someone to get involved?

    kimberly

    Did you read the earlier poster's story about getting her jaw broken
    when a hair-pulling father punched her in the face for "interfering"?
    Thank God she did, but she also suffered a terrible consequence for her
    actions.

    I hope whoever did that to her had to pay for HIS actions, whether
    through jail time or medical compensation or both. IMHO, a man who
    gloats after punching a woman in the face needs to spend some time
    bending over in the prison shower...

    Applecandy

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Jani said:

    And yet, if a specific individual is falsely accused of robbery (as opposed
    to the supposed victim saying "I was robbed" when they weren't) this does
    not tend to colour people's perceptions of any subsequent allegations of
    robbery against other individuals. This is why I can't understand why one
    person being shown as a false accuser should prevent those who aren't from
    coming forward, except that where rape's concerned, there does seem to be a
    pervasive attitude that the existence of *some* false allegations proves
    that *all* allegations should be treated sceptically.

    I think it has to do with how long the taint of the false accusation
    sticks, too, though. If someone is falsely accused of robbery, and it
    comes out and they are cleared, they are not generally still seen as a
    robber. Someone accused of rape/molestation, even when false and proven
    so, will still have a shadow and suspicion surrounding them.

    Regards,
    Ranee

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