Hands-free, voice activated phones are common these days, especially in
Europe
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and the UK where they're required while driving. The big problem with
bike use
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is finding one that's waterproof. In my experience, most phones are very susceptible to water damage -- even the smallest amount of dampness from
sweat
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on a hot day will destroy them. I'm very surprised no one has yet
marketed a
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waterproof phone.
Yes. This is a good point, especially where I live, Pacific NW. My idea was to keep the phone in a water proof bag and use bluetooth headset. The major problem for me is, it is not very comfortable with helmet on.
Interesting idea. It is probably water proof. I can probably use a regular water bottle as well. Only problem is that I need to give up one of bottle cages. That may be a problem for a long ride. Thanks
That said, I have to admit it annoys me to see someone on their bike, in an attractive landscape, riding along and talking on their cell phone. Ride or talk, is my feeling. Ditto driving, of course.
I am curious. Few other people expressed similar annoyance, but I still don't understand. What does bother you ? Noise (voice or ringer), safety concern(to biker or others), or something else ? I still want to use phone sometimes during a ride if possible, but don't want to bother others. I believe road racers use communication device during the race.
I am curious. Few other people expressed similar annoyance, but I still don't understand. What does bother you ? Noise (voice or ringer), safety concern(to biker or others), or something else ?
Annoyances, in order of magnitude:
1. lack of attention to the task of cycling 2. distraction to other riders (when in a group) 3. rudeness of taking a private call when in a group 4. the annoying ringers -- terry morse Palo Alto, CA bike.terrymorse.combike.terrymorse.comOpen ↗
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That said, I have to admit it annoys me to see someone on their bike, in an attractive landscape, riding along and talking on their cell phone. Ride or talk, is my feeling. Ditto driving, of course.
I am curious. Few other people expressed similar annoyance, but I still don't understand. What does bother you ? Noise (voice or ringer), safety concern(to biker or others), or something else ? I still want to use phone sometimes during a ride if possible, but don't want to bother others. I believe road racers use communication device during the race.
There's no rational explanation, it's just a cultural stigma that many people have uncritically absorbed. Riders eat while riding and talk to other riders while riding, and yet these people don't find that annoying. Those things are no different from talking on a cell phone from a safety point of view.
Technology is wonderful. Ignore the cultural ballast. Talk on your cell if you like.
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Interesting idea. It is probably water proof. I can probably use a regular water bottle as well. Only problem is that I need to give up one of bottle cages. That may be a problem for a long ride.
You didn't include the dialogue in your post to which you were responding.
Unless you are extremely remote (crossing Mojave?) one large bottle (even a small bottle, frankly) is sufficient. Do you mind stopping?
There's no rational explanation, it's just a cultural stigma that many people have uncritically absorbed.
Yup. Some people still regard cell phones as "uppity" or something. BTW, the same crowd said the same things about answering machines back in the 70s, when they were just catching on -- "Oh, Mr. Bighot, so important he needs an ANSWERING MACHINE!"
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Technology is wonderful. Ignore the cultural ballast. Talk on your cell if you like.
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There's no rational explanation, it's just a cultural stigma that many people have uncritically absorbed.
[censored]. It's rude.
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Riders eat while riding
So what. They're not holding a conversation about an unkown topic with an unknown person while they're in the middle of a group of people that have chosen to spend their time with them, and are specifically being excluded from that conversation.
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and talk to other riders while riding,
Yes, and the other people in the group know who is talking and what they're talking about. It's respecting the group they are with and treating them with basic civility.
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Technology is wonderful.
Nothing like a stupid generalization to show how able you are to see beyond a "cultural stigma." Were the people that were incinerated at Nagasaki appreciative of how "Technology is wonderful"?
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Ignore the cultural ballast. Talk on your cell if you like.
"Cultural Ballast"? If you knew what ballast is, you wouldn't parrot such an inappropriate metaphor.
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There's no rational explanation, it's just a cultural stigma that many people have uncritically absorbed.
[censored]. It's rude.
No, you're just touchy.
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Riders eat while riding
So what. They're not holding a conversation about an unkown topic with an unknown person while they're in the middle of a group of people that have chosen to spend their time with them, and are specifically being excluded from that conversation.
Boo hoo.
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and talk to other riders while riding,
Yes, and the other people in the group know who is talking and what they're talking about. It's respecting the group they are with and treating them with basic civility.
Grow up.
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Technology is wonderful.
Nothing like a stupid generalization to show how able you are to see beyond a "cultural stigma." Were the people that were incinerated at Nagasaki appreciative of how "Technology is wonderful"?
I don't think you want to get into an argument over politics. You'll lose.
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Ignore the cultural ballast. Talk on your cell if you like.
"Cultural Ballast"? If you knew what ballast is, you wouldn't parrot such an inappropriate metaphor.
On the contrary, if you had a sliver of wit you'd have figured out what was meant by the metaphor.
Interesting idea. It is probably water proof. I can probably use a regular water bottle as well. Only problem is that I need to give up one of bottle cages. That may be a problem for a long ride.
You didn't include the dialogue in your post to which you were responding.
Oops. Sorry, I was replying to this suggestion. "There are cell phone "safes" that safely pad them into a thing that fits into a water bottle cage. I recall them being pricey. "
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Unless you are extremely remote (crossing Mojave?) one large bottle (even a small bottle, frankly) is sufficient. Do you mind stopping?
It probaly depends on weather and distance. I wanted to carry at least two water bottles for a ride over 50 miles. Even for a short ride, I like to carry two kinds of drinks. Sports dring and water.
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There's no rational explanation, it's just a cultural stigma that many people have uncritically absorbed.
[censored]. It's rude.
To me, this comment is very rude.
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Riders eat while riding
So what. They're not holding a conversation about an unkown topic with an unknown person while they're in the middle of a group of people that have chosen to spend their time with them, and are specifically being excluded from that conversation.
I don't buy this argument. This given scenario has nothing to do with bicycle ride. It is rude regardless of on or off the bike.
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Shayne Wissler wrote: > "Yumi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RdidnWRnLrijJiDdRVn- > [email hidden]... > > There's no rational explanation, it's just a cultural > stigma that many people have uncritically absorbed.
[censored]. It's rude.
No, you're just touchy.
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the only one who matters" attitudes.
Greg
Dear Greg,
Ah, you silver-tongued devil, who can resist your logic and authority on matters of courtesy? Clearly, you're the only one who matters!
Captain's log. On StarDate Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:52:02 -0700 received comm from Jay Hill <[email hidden]> on channel rec.bicycles.tech:
: Nothing like a stupid generalization to show how able you : are to see beyond a "cultural stigma." Were the people : that were incinerated at Nagasaki appreciative of how : "Technology is wonderful"?
Not far away that your arguments comes down to the classic "nazi" usenet rule.
On 31 May 2004 17:36:20 -0800, Benjamin Weiner <[email hidden]>
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How about survival? Out on the trail on your own (and you only have to be quarter of a mile from the nearest person), if you fall and immobilise yourself, you're going to be waiting for the next person to come past, and hope that they see you down in that bombhole you fell into. I'd rather be a live [censored] than a dead hero in those circumstances.
It doesn't bother me if people choose to carry cellphones. However, in quite a few places that I ride, cellphone reception is pretty spotty. That includes some roads as well as trails. People are getting more used to the cellphone as a crutch in general. Relying on it on the bike and not being prepared by carrying flat-fixing gear, tools, enough water, being careful not to fall in big holes, etc is a big mistake. You may never do such a thing, but it's more common now to see riders whose first impulse is to reach for the cell and that's probably one of the things G.T. is reacting to.
BTW, this all goes triple for hikers. People with no experience or planning get out in the woods expecting modern telecoms to be their fallback ...
Back in NH a few "climbers" when up on Mt. Washington, only to whip out the mobile phone to incur a hefty extraction fee. One of these "cubicle nation" types actually wore street shoes and shorts.
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Thanks for the links. I like the phone bag idea. I tried BlueTrek and Jabra headset, but wasn't very comfortable with helmet on. Probably I will try newer smaller one in the future. I wish they are cheaper.
I got a Sony-Ericsson T-68 and a Bluetooth headset 2 years ago in Taiwan. The headset is so small that I can wear it under a motorcycle helmet. Works great man.
Mobile phone mount? Shirt pocket.
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