Cell phone

On Mon, 31 May 2004 12:58:56 -0700, "G.T." <[email hidden]>

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Kinky Cowboy said:

into. I'd rather be a live [censored] than a dead hero in
those circumstances.

Yep, I concur, cell phone users are turning into a bunch of
live pussies.

Greg

I'll ride past next time I see you lying beside the road
with a fractured spine - wouldn't want to upset your ego
by not letting you figure out how to save yourself all
by yourself.

And what's with using payphones? Aren't they for pussies
too? After all, you weren't the one who did all that digging
and rigging to get the wire infrastructure in place.

Ever since man picked up a stick to throw at a prey animal,
instead of wrestling it to the ground with his bare hands,
we've been using technology to extend our range of operation
while maintaining or enhancing survivability. Get over it.

Kinky Cowboy*

*Batteries not included May contain traces of nuts Your
milage may vary

G.T. said:

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yea, well, welcome to the tech industry ... where any
reason you can give them to not ship your job to india is
worth playing.

Just because you're available 24 hours a day by phone
isn't going to help prevent your job from being
outsourced.

actually .. it already has. are you on earth? support is a
commodity people are willing to pay for.

stop trolling about inanimate objects.
--
david reuteler [email hidden]

On Mon, 31 May 2004 12:58:56 -0700, "G.T." <[email hidden]>

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The first payphone I reach has always sufficed.

Payphones are getting pretty scarce.
--
Rick Onanian

David Reuteler said:

G.T. said:

Quoted message said:

yea, well, welcome to the tech industry ... where any
reason you can give them to not ship your job to india is
worth playing.

Just because you're available 24 hours a day by phone
isn't going to help prevent your job from being
outsourced.

actually .. it already has.

Unless you're doing hardware repair it was something else
that prevented your job from going away.

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are you on earth? support is a commodity people are
willing to pay for.

You mean support is a commodity people are willing to
outsource to India? Or are you working 24 hours a day doing
minimum wage PC repair?

Greg

Kinky Cowboy said:

G.T. said:

Kinky Cowboy said:

into. I'd rather be a live [censored] than a dead hero in
those circumstances.

Yep, I concur, cell phone users are turning into a bunch
of live pussies.

Greg

I'll ride past next time I see you lying beside the road
with a fractured spine - wouldn't want to upset your ego
by not letting you figure out how to save yourself all by
yourself.

Go ahead. If you didn't eventually mention it to someone,
you'd be an ass, though.

Oh yeah, I forgot to add that in addition to cell phone
users turning into a bunch of live pussies they're also
turning into helpless morons.

Greg

I appreciate your comment, but I am not interested in the
argument whether you should or shouldn't carry/use cell
phone on a bike. I can almost argue for either side. I am
only interested in ideas to make cell phone use easier/safer
on a bke for those people who decided to use it.

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Yum said:

I wonder how do people carry cell phone while on bike.

Don't.

Greg

Yum said:

I appreciate your comment, but I am not interested in
the argument whether you should or shouldn't carry/use
cell phone on a bike. I can almost argue for either
side. I am only interested in ideas to make cell phone
use easier/safer on a bke for those people who decided
to use it.

In your pocket. Off. Happy to help. Wasn't that easy?

Greg

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Yum said:

I wonder how do people carry cell phone while on bike.

Don't.

Greg

On Mon, 31 May 2004 15:18:48 -0700, "G.T." <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Kinky Cowboy said:

I'll ride past next time I see you lying beside the road
with a fractured spine - wouldn't want to upset your ego
by not letting you

Oh yeah, I forgot to add that in addition to cell phone
users turning into a bunch of live pussies they're also
turning into helpless morons.

Er...would a retrogrouch not be helpless lying beside the
road with a fractured spine?
--
Rick Onanian

"Tim McNamara" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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NoSpamForMe said:

I agree with Greg. That is one of the nice things about
bicycling.....getting away from all the daily annoyances
& distractions.

Indeed!

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Are you really that important that you have to be
reachable

by

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telephone at all times ?

I do not mean that in a wiseass way, but rather as a
serious question.

Like many people, I do need to be reachable at times
(e.g.,

when I am

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on call for the clinic I work at). Many people carry a
cell

phone so

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family members can call if needed.

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On the other hand, perhaps you just want to have the

cellphone with

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you in case an emergency situation arises while
riding the

bicycle

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and you need to get help. That makes more sense.

I suppose this is possible, although in over 35 years
of riding

bike

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I've seen one situation where a cell phone would have been

handy (car

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getting rear ended and flipped upside down into the
ditch about

300

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yards in front of me). Fortunately someone did have a cell

phone and

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911 had been called by the time all the cars came to
rest, just

about

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literally.

It is getting harder not to own a cell phone because the
ILECs are phasing out all the payphones. With that said,
there is no reason for gabbing ad nauseum on a cell phone
while riding a bike or driving a car -- or while standing in
a public place, like next to me in the check-out line. It
seems that people have lost the ability to shut-up and
actually think about something. -- Jay Beattie.

Yes, this could be true, but there may be a way to make it
less distractive and safer.? To me, watching a cue sheet
while riding causes more distraction. I am also interested
in finding a safer method to find the correct route without
stopping a bike.

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I've had a couple of close calls with bikers using a cell
phone while riding. And I've seen some other close calls.
I bet that the issues for car drivers- mental distraction
primarily- are similar for bike riders.

Well, probably not. However, I thought it would be nice that
my family/friends can reach me while I am on a long bike
tour. I just wanted to know if somebody has a good idea to
make cell phone usage easier and safer on a bike. .

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Are you really that important that you have to be
reachable by telephone

at

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all times ?

I do not mean that in a wiseass way, but rather as a
serious question.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Yum" <[email hidden]>

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I wonder how do people carry cell phone while on bike.

There are cell phone "safes" that safely pad them into a
thing that fits into a water bottle cage. I recall them
being pricey.

Tom Gibb <[email hidden]

Jay Beattie said:

It seems that people have lost the ability to shut-up
and actually think about something. -- Jay Beattie.

Yep, and they've lost the ability to follow directions or
read a map, too. They just call when they're close instead.

Greg

Rick Onanian said:

G.T. said:

Kinky Cowboy said:

I'll ride past next time I see you lying beside the road
with a fractured spine - wouldn't want to upset your ego
by not letting you

Oh yeah, I forgot to add that in addition to cell phone
users turning into a bunch of live pussies they're also
turning into helpless morons.

Er...would a retrogrouch not be helpless lying beside the
road with a fractured spine?

But I wouldn't be a moron.

Greg

Kinky Cowboy said:

How about survival? Out on the trail on your own (and you
only have to be quarter of a mile from the nearest
person), if you fall and immobilise yourself, you're going
to be waiting for the next person to come past, and hope
that they see you down in that bombhole you fell into. I'd
rather be a live [censored] than a dead hero in those
circumstances.

It doesn't bother me if people choose to carry cellphones.
However, in quite a few places that I ride, cellphone
reception is pretty spotty. That includes some roads as
well as trails. People are getting more used to the
cellphone as a crutch in general. Relying on it on the bike
and not being prepared by carrying flat-fixing gear, tools,
enough water, being careful not to fall in big holes, etc
is a big mistake. You may never do such a thing, but it's
more common now to see riders whose first impulse is to
reach for the cell and that's probably one of the things
G.T. is reacting to.

BTW, this all goes triple for hikers. People with no
experience or planning get out in the woods expecting modern
telecoms to be their fallback ...

Jay Beattie said:

With that said, there is no reason for gabbing ad nauseum
on a cell phone while riding a bike or driving a car -- or
while standing in a public place, like next to me in the
check-out line. It seems that people have lost the ability
to shut-up and actually think about something.

Some theories from Ford Prefect, a galactic researcher: "If
human beings don't keep exercising their lips," he thought,
"their mouths probably seize up." After a few months'
consideration and observation he abandoned this theory in
favor of a new one. "If they don't keep exercising their
lips," he thought, "their brains start working."

I wonder if there's a HHGTTG program that would run on
my Palm...
--
Rick "Don't Panic" Onanian

Quoted message said:

It is getting harder not to own a cell phone because the
ILECs are phasing out all the payphones. With that said,
there is no reason for gabbing ad nauseum on a cell phone
while riding a bike or driving a car -- or while standing
in a public place, like next to me in the check-out line.
It seems that people have lost the ability to shut-up and
actually think about something. -- Jay Beattie.

I never thought that using cell phone on a bike bothers
other people. I have never heard anybody get killed by a
biker distracted by a cell phone. On a bike trail, I often
hear a group of bikers taking each other. It doesn't bother
me. I don't see why taking to a cell phone is any worse.. It
is probably quieter.

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Quoted message said:

Kinky Cowboy said:

How about survival? Out on the trail on your own (and
you only have to be quarter of a mile from the nearest
person), if you fall and immobilise yourself, you're
going to be waiting for the next person to come past,
and hope that they see you down in that bombhole you
fell into. I'd rather be a live [censored] than a dead hero
in those circumstances.

It doesn't bother me if people choose to carry cellphones.
However, in quite a few places that I ride, cellphone
reception is pretty spotty. That includes some roads as
well as trails. People are getting more used to the
cellphone as a crutch in general. Relying on it on the
bike and not being prepared by carrying flat-fixing gear,
tools, enough water, being careful not to fall in big
holes, etc is a big mistake. You may never do such a
thing, but it's more common now to see riders whose first
impulse is to reach for the cell and that's probably one
of the things G.T. is reacting to.

BTW, this all goes triple for hikers. People with no
experience or planning get out in the woods expecting
modern telecoms to be their fallback ...

There have been quite a few articles in the lasts 4 or
5 years that address the phenomena of people going
further into the back country while unprepared except
for a cell phone.

I also witnessed the gross misuse of rescue crews at the
last off-road race I attended at the Johnson Valley SVRA.
Actually I was quite surprised how good cell reception was
20 miles from the nearest pavement and without a tower in
sight. Anyway, before cell coverage was so good a limited
few on the rescue crews at races had decent radios and
injured riders were triaged and rarely, and I mean twice in
the 10 years that I raced, were helicopters called in. Now,
any time someone falls over and sprains their ankle someone
is on the cell phone calling the Sheriff's Dept, which
happened at the last race I attended, rather than driving
them into the nearest town for X-Rays.

And even in the cases of severe injury those cell
phones still haven't saved any lives out at the races
as far as I know.

Greg

G.T. said:

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actually .. it already has.

Unless you're doing hardware repair it was something else
that prevented your job from going away.

umm, how would you know? tactical apps, business
intelligence, anything with fast turnaround and short cycles
is extremely difficult to outsource. find a niche.

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You mean support is a commodity people are willing to
outsource to India? Or are you working 24 hours a day
doing minimum wage PC repair?

.. not .. taking .. the .. bait.

well, greg, i'm not sure what your agenda is here but you've
managed to flush your rep down the toilet.

did you forget to use a screensaver in the lab? that always
was a great joke.
--
david reuteler [email hidden]

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Quoted message said:

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It is getting harder not to own a cell phone because the
ILECs are phasing out all the payphones. With that said,
there is no reason for gabbing ad nauseum on a cell
phone while riding a bike or driving a car -- or while
standing in a public place, like next to me in the check-
out line. It seems that people have lost the ability to
shut-up and actually think about something. -- Jay
Beattie.

I never thought that using cell phone on a bike bothers
other people. I have never heard anybody get killed by a
biker distracted by a cell

phone.

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On a bike trail, I often hear a group of bikers taking
each other. It doesn't bother me. I don't see why taking
to a cell phone is any worse.. It is probably quieter.

It's usually louder. And even when the one side
converstation isn't louder, it's more annoying than a two-
sided converstion as shown by the subjects in these studies.

It's bad enough to encounter rude cell phone usage in town
but I've encountered guys obliviously talking on their
phone on remote roads, a couple off-road, and too many
hikers to count.

Greg