Cell phone

On Mon, 31 May 2004 17:14:23 -0700, "G.T." <[email hidden]>

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Rick Onanian said:

On Mon, 31 May 2004 15:18:48 -0700, "G.T."
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Oh yeah, I forgot to add that in addition to cell phone
users turning into a bunch of live pussies they're also
turning into helpless morons.

Er...would a retrogrouch not be helpless lying beside the
road with a fractured spine?

But I wouldn't be a moron.

Ah, a sound plan indeed: helpless non-moron. I'll keep
that in mind.
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Rick Onanian

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It is getting harder not to own a cell phone because
the ILECs are phasing out all the payphones. With that
said, there is no reason for gabbing ad nauseum on a
cell phone while riding a bike or driving a car -- or
while standing in a public place, like next to me in
the check-out line. It seems that people have lost the
ability to shut-up and actually think about something.
-- Jay Beattie.

I never thought that using cell phone on a bike bothers
other people. I have never heard anybody get killed by a
biker distracted by a cell

phone.

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On a bike trail, I often hear a group of bikers taking
each other. It doesn't bother me. I don't see why taking
to a cell phone is any worse.. It is probably quieter.

It's usually louder. And even when the one side
converstation isn't

louder,

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it's more annoying than a two-sided converstion as shown
by the subjects

in

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these studies.

This is interesting. I wonder why. It seems to me, though,
this problem can be easily solved by a more senstive
michrophone and volume adjustment. Using vibrator instead of
ringer ... etc. Isn't it more to do with how you use your
cell phone ?

Captain's log. On StarDate Mon, 31 May 2004 09:27:31 -0700 received comm from
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: I wonder how do people carry cell phone while on bike. My
: phone is too large to carry on my back pocket and a wire
: to headset bothers me. I tried bluetooth headset, but it
: is too big and not very comfortable while wearing helmet.
: Cell phone pocket on the backpack's shoulder belt is the
: simplest and works best so far, but it would be nice if I
: don't have to carry backpack sometimes. Does anybody have
: good solution ?

I use this phone bag from Topeak:

topeak.combag 007.htmlOpen ↗

As I don't want to clutter my handle bar or stem, I mount it
on the down tube, like on this picture: cyclingn-cyclingn-Open ↗
ews.com/tech/2001/photos/may22tech/topeak_pack.shtml

I got this tip and picture from this page:
cyclingnews.comtech22jun.shtmlOpen ↗

Have you tried this BT headset (it fits me perfectly)?
jabra.combt250.htmOpen ↗

If it's still too big (I usually don't wear any helmet) I
would recommend to try something like this:
nokia.com0,,28381,00.htmlOpen ↗

It's a BT headset, but ends with a short normal cord. In
this way I think you should be able to have it fit under
your helmet, but still not be tangled up in any long cords
connected to your phone.

Both Sony-Ericsson and Anycom also has something like this
Nokia product.

Best regards,

martin törnsten

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David Reuteler said:

G.T. said:

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yes. on several of my jobs i was on call 24/7. w/o a cell
phone i could not have ridden. pretty good reason, eh?

No, that's pathetic.

yea, well, welcome to the tech industry ... where any
reason you can give them to not ship your job to india is
worth playing.

Or the medical industry. Tell your doctor she's pathetic for
being on call.

yum-<< I wonder how do people carry cell phone while on
bike. >><BR><BR> << Does anybody have good solution ? Is
there a helmet with builtin headset ? >><BR><BR>

Unless you MUST be 'connected' while riding, policeman,
Doctor, president, sick child or other love one..LEAVE
IT AT HOME.

Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535 vecchios.comvecchios.comOpen ↗ "Ruote convenzionali
costruite eccezionalmente bene"

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David Reuteler said:

G.T. said:

>yes. on several of my jobs i was on call 24/7. w/o a
>cell phone i

could

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>not have ridden. pretty good reason, eh?

No, that's pathetic.

yea, well, welcome to the tech industry ... where any
reason you can

give

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them to not ship your job to india is worth playing.

Or the medical industry. Tell your doctor she's pathetic
for being on call.

If she's on call she shouldn't miles away from the office
on her bike.

Greg

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I wonder how do people carry cell phone while on bike.

There are cell phone "safes" that safely pad them into a
thing that fits into a water bottle cage. I recall them
being pricey.

Did saddlebags and other normal bike luggage disappear while
I was at lunch, or something?
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> flcl?

Yum said:

Well, probably not. However, I thought it would be nice
that my family/friends can reach me while I am on a long
bike tour. I just wanted to know if somebody has a good
idea to make cell phone usage easier and safer on a bike.

I generally don't talk while riding. If the phone rings, I
usually can't get it out of my pocket and out of its plasic
bag quickly enough to answer it. So I have to stop to talk
anyway. I can probably count on my fingers the times I've
talked on the phone while actually riding, and that's only
while cruising slowly down quiet residential streets or bike
paths. I often use the phone while out on rides, but usually
while stopped, and safely off the road.

Hands-free, voice activated phones are common these days,
especially in Europe and the UK where they're required while
driving. The big problem with bike use is finding one that's
waterproof. In my experience, most phones are very
susceptible to water damage -- even the smallest amount of
dampness from sweat on a hot day will destroy them. I'm very
surprised no one has yet marketed a waterproof phone.

Matt O.

(Qui si parla Campagnolo ) said:

Unless you MUST be 'connected' while riding, policeman,
Doctor, president, sick child or other love one..LEAVE IT
AT HOME.

I carry mine, but it may as well be turned off for how much
it gets used (aka, never). I only carry it for emergencies.

Talking on the phone while riding in traffic? You've got to
be kidding. Have you seen how moronic car drivers become as
soon as they hold a phone to their ear? On a bike you would
have to be a moron to think you could do that and live for
very long...

(...and why wreck the peace and serenity when you are riding
out of traffic?)

Chris
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David Reuteler said:

G.T. <[email hidden]> wrote:

>>yes. on several of my jobs i was on call 24/7. w/o a
>>cell phone i

could

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>>not have ridden. pretty good reason, eh?
>
>No, that's pathetic.

yea, well, welcome to the tech industry ... where any
reason you can

give

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them to not ship your job to india is worth playing.

Or the medical industry. Tell your doctor she's pathetic
for being on call.

If she's on call she shouldn't miles away from the office
on her bike.

Greg

Dear Greg,

Are you under the impression that doctors on call can only
receive calls at the office?

I assure you, they lead lives like normal people after 5 pm
and often sleep at their homes instead of on examining
tables at their office. Some go out to restaurants, walk
their dogs, play golf, and even ride bicycles.

Carl Fogel

G.T. said:

There have been quite a few articles in the lasts 4 or
5 years that address the phenomena of people going
further into the back country while unprepared except
for a cell phone.

People have been going into the backcountry unprepared since
the beginning of time.

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I also witnessed the gross misuse of rescue crews at the
last off-road race I attended at the Johnson Valley SVRA.
Actually I was quite surprised how good cell reception was
20 miles from the nearest pavement and without a tower in
sight. Anyway, before cell coverage was so good a limited
few on the rescue crews at races had decent radios and
injured riders were triaged and rarely, and I mean twice
in the 10 years that I raced, were helicopters called in.
Now, any time someone falls over and sprains their ankle
someone is on the cell phone calling the Sheriff's Dept,
which happened at the last race I attended, rather than
driving them into the nearest town for X-Rays.

This isn't the fault of cell phones, but of making the wrong
calls. Most events have SAG vehicles, and most people have
families and friends to call for help should the need arise.
If not, then that's what the Sheriff is there for.

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And even in the cases of severe injury those cell
phones still haven't saved any lives out at the races
as far as I know.

I've come upon at least a half a dozen situations where a
phone has helped immensely -- mostly people who have crashed
while mountain biking. If someone hadn't come along with a
phone, the victims would have been much worse off -- perhaps
dying of shock and/or exposure.

Matt O.

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David Reuteler said:

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Or the medical industry. Tell your doctor she's pathetic
for being on call.

If she's on call she shouldn't miles away from the office
on her bike.

Greg

The above is one of the silliest things that I have read in
a long time. It is pretty clear that you have a strong point
of view on this subject and are willing to look foolish
trying to defend it rather that admit that there might be
other valid points of view.

--On Tuesday said:

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David Reuteler wrote:
> G.T. <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>>> yes. on several of my jobs i was on call 24/7. w/o a
>>> cell phone i

could

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>>> not have ridden. pretty good reason, eh?
>>
>> No, that's pathetic.
>
> yea, well, welcome to the tech industry ... where any
> reason you can

give

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> them to not ship your job to india is worth playing.

Or the medical industry. Tell your doctor she's pathetic
for being on call.

If she's on call she shouldn't miles away from the office
on her bike.

Greg

Dear Greg,

Are you under the impression that doctors on call can only
receive calls at the office?

I assure you, they lead lives like normal people after 5
pm and often sleep at their homes instead of on examining
tables at their office. Some go out to restaurants, walk
their dogs, play golf, and even ride bicycles.

Carl Fogel

A friend of my parents rode from LA to santa barbara on his
trek 5900 the weekend he was on call (he's an ICU doctor
too, there's a short turnaround niche job for ya).

Mike Mechanical Engineering 2006, Carnegie Mellon University
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Yum said:

I wonder how do people carry cell phone while on bike. My
phone is too large to carry on my back pocket and a wire
to headset bothers me. I tried bluetooth headset, but it
is too big and not very comfortable while wearing helmet.
Cell phone pocket on the backpack's shoulder belt is the
simplest and works best so far, but it would be nice if I
don't have to carry backpack sometimes. Does anybody have
good solution ? Is there a helmet with builtin headset ?

My phone is small enough to go in my jersey pocket. No
headset - no problem.

G.T. said:

If she's on call she shouldn't miles away from the office
on her bike.

I don't think you have any idea what it's like to be on call
24/7/365 for an emergency service. I'm retired now, and
thoroughly enjoy the delicious freedom of being able to
go wherever I like.

John

I'm sure they don't. I always got a good laugh out of the
ostentatiously displayed belt full of beepers and phones
that never go off. We that had to carry them hid them and
hoped that we wouldn't notice the ring. Good riddance.

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| "G.T." wrote:
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| > If she's on call she shouldn't miles away from the
| > office on her bike.
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| I don't think you have any idea what it's like to be on
| call
| 24/7/365 for an emergency service. I'm retired now, and
| thoroughly enjoy the delicious freedom of being able
| to go wherever I like.
|
| John
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Yum said:

I wonder how do people carry cell phone while on bike.

In my saddle bag, turned off.

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My phone is too large to carry on my back pocket and a
wire to headset bothers me. I tried bluetooth headset,
but it is too big and not very comfortable while
wearing helmet.

You seem to want to talk on your phone while riding. That
appears to be the problem.

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Does anybody have good solution ?

See above.

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Is there a helmet with builtin headset ?

I sure hope not.
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John Henderson said:

G.T. said:

If she's on call she shouldn't miles away from the office
on her bike.

I don't think you have any idea what it's like to be on
call
24/7/365 for an emergency service. I'm retired now, and
thoroughly enjoy the delicious freedom of being able
to go wherever I like.

This has been the boon of a pager and cellphone for me. I am
not tied to being at home when I am on call, but instead can
go out and have a life. With a cell phone I don't have to
look around for a pay phone, and I can respond to clients
much more quickly.

That said, I have to admit it annoys me to see someone on
their bike, in an attractive landscape, riding along and
talking on their cell phone. Ride or talk, is my feeling.
Ditto driving, of course.

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... Are you under the impression that doctors on call can
only receive calls at the office?

I assure you, they lead lives like normal people after 5
pm and often sleep at their homes instead of on examining
tables at their office. Some go out to restaurants, walk
their dogs, play golf, and even ride bicycles.

Normal people ride bicycles?

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

Thanks for the links. I like the phone bag idea. I tried
BlueTrek and Jabra headset, but wasn't very comfortable with
helmet on. Probably I will try newer smaller one in the
future. I wish they are cheaper.