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> > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap. the frame geometry
has some unique size limitations including a propietary seatpost that
could hinder individual preference and needs for long distance riding
(fenders, waterbottles- I had to try a few different type of bottle
cages that wolud allow me to fit 2 bottles in my small size frame).- Hide quoted text -

Cervelo R3 is carbon. Other than lack of fender clearance (I really
don't like unexpected soakings on long rides), it sounds like a fine
idea to me.

Orin.

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> > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

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I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap. the frame geometry
has some unique size limitations including a propietary seatpost that
could hinder individual preference and needs for long distance riding
(fenders, waterbottles- I had to try a few different type of bottle
cages that wolud allow me to fit 2 bottles in my small size frame).- Hide quoted text -

Cervelo R3 is carbon. Other than lack of fender clearance (I really
don't like unexpected soakings on long rides), it sounds like a fine
idea to me.

Orin.

Thanks everybody. I would like to invoke St. Rodney: "can't we all
just get along?" If we are on two wheels and without benefit of the
infernal combustion engine we are O.K. No? Speaking of fender
clearance Would 650 wheels allow me to run 28 -32 tires and /or
fenders without compromising performance?

Peter Cole said:

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> I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
> distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
> cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
> catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap.
Old, old wife's tale.

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mishap is old wives tale ? hell, yesterday I nearly got sideswiped off
the road as a car reared ended another and bounced into the curb right
in front of me.

I don't the connection...

a mishap/ crash whatever can happen anywhere anytime- a frame that is
more fragile can be worrying on a long ride out to the boonies, or
because of finances has to last would not so easily or quickly
replaced

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I recall my old alum stems would produce hairline
cracks after about a year- I changed them then so nothing further than
that- and harsher ride is no myth either.

All/any bike parts can crack, whatever the material.

cromoly bends and tears, nothing sudden there- I loved my cinelli
cromo stem because I could trust that no matter what, it would not
snap on me

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Let's just say the "harsh ride" is controversial -- although it does
seem to have become a minority opinion.

I have altered my last route home because the cracked road is
uncomfortably jarring since retiring my cromoly frame and getting my
cervelo

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the cervelo top tube is too
thin to clamp in a workstand- not that I did so with any other bike,
but the cervelo warns against clamping the top tube- I wonder how thin
it really is ? ok I ride a cervelo on long distances, but my choice
was a package deal- there are things about cervelo that I have wished
were different, I just thought I might share those thoughts.

You can't clamp light steel top tubes either.

yeah, but you can't clamp the seat tube on a cervelo either, as the
shape does not make for a clamp, nor can you use the seatpost to clamp
either because of the same bladed shape. but my point is that the top
tube is thin and has cut cable routing holes in either end of the
tube- not the best thing for frame integrity is it ? if something
happens to my frame I can easily afford to replace it, so it's not
such a big deal for me, but for someone else it might be. I appreciate
the overall stiffness for climbing; no doubt, it climbs better than
any other bike I've owned; but if my financial situation was
different, or I wasn't married with my wife able to come get me if my
frame broke out there (although she can't navigate worth beans) I
might not like to go out too far on a cervelo.

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Orin said:

On Jul 1, 10:55 pm, [email hidden] wrote:

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> > > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

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I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap. the frame geometry
has some unique size limitations including a propietary seatpost that
could hinder individual preference and needs for long distance riding
(fenders, waterbottles- I had to try a few different type of bottle
cages that wolud allow me to fit 2 bottles in my small size frame).- Hide quoted text -

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Cervelo R3 is carbon. Other than lack of fender clearance (I really
don't like unexpected soakings on long rides), it sounds like a fine
idea to me.

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Orin.

Thanks everybody. I would like to invoke St. Rodney: "can't we all
just get along?" If we are on two wheels and without benefit of the
infernal combustion engine we are O.K. No? Speaking of fender
clearance Would 650 wheels allow me to run 28 -32 tires and /or
fenders without compromising performance?- Hide quoted text -

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you might be able to get away with clip-on fenders- but 650 wheels
might be hard to source tubes or tires going thru a small town and you
need to replace a cut tire; it happens

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Peter Cole said:

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On Jul 2, 4:50 pm, Peter Cole <[email hidden]> wrote:
> [email hidden] wrote:
>> I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
>> distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
>> cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
>> catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap.
> Old, old wife's tale.
mishap is old wives tale ? hell, yesterday I nearly got sideswiped off
the road as a car reared ended another and bounced into the curb right
in front of me.

I don't the connection...

a mishap/ crash whatever can happen anywhere anytime- a frame that is
more fragile can be worrying on a long ride out to the boonies, or
because of finances has to last would not so easily or quickly
replaced

If you're really worried about getting disabled in the boonies wheels,
not frame, should be your primary concern. They're typically the weakest
link.

Aluminum frames are typically overbuilt to compensate for fatigue
characteristics, so they may actually be more crash-worthy -- not that I
think that's an issue for distance riding.

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I recall my old alum stems would produce hairline
cracks after about a year- I changed them then so nothing further than
that- and harsher ride is no myth either.

All/any bike parts can crack, whatever the material.

cromoly bends and tears, nothing sudden there- I loved my cinelli
cromo stem because I could trust that no matter what, it would not
snap on me

If you were consistent then you'd want steel bars, cranks, rims, seat
post, calipers, hubs... in comparison, frame failures are pretty benign
(also rare and just about as common in any material).

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Let's just say the "harsh ride" is controversial -- although it does
seem to have become a minority opinion.

I have altered my last route home because the cracked road is
uncomfortably jarring since retiring my cromoly frame and getting my
cervelo

This issue has been flogged to death many times over the years here. It
comes down to opinion.

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a mishap/ crash whatever can happen anywhere anytime- a frame that is
more fragile can be worrying on a long ride out to the boonies,

Cracks that develop with use will almost never prevent you from
riding. In the rare instances when they occur it's usually the case
that the crack develops slowly and is not noticed for several or even
many rides.

And cracking a frame by crashing? The sort of crash that would make a
frame unrideable is a hard, head-on crash that is both rare and the
type that, when it happens, would give you other things to worry
about.

For riding on the road I think you're overally or irrationally
cautious.

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Orin said:

On Jul 1, 10:55 pm, [email hidden] wrote:

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> > > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

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I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap. the frame geometry
has some unique size limitations including a propietary seatpost that
could hinder individual preference and needs for long distance riding
(fenders, waterbottles- I had to try a few different type of bottle
cages that wolud allow me to fit 2 bottles in my small size frame).- Hide quoted text -

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Cervelo R3 is carbon. Other than lack of fender clearance (I really
don't like unexpected soakings on long rides), it sounds like a fine
idea to me.

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Orin.

Thanks everybody. I would like to invoke St. Rodney: "can't we all
just get along?" If we are on two wheels and without benefit of the
infernal combustion engine we are O.K. No? Speaking of fender
clearance Would 650 wheels allow me to run 28 -32 tires and /or
fenders without compromising performance?

650 wheels will change the ride of the bike a lot not to mention
whether or not the brakes would reach. Get some of those clipon
fenders, they work fine when it's raining to keep water off your butt
and face.

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Orin said:

On Jul 1, 10:55 pm, [email hidden] wrote:

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> > > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

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I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap. the frame geometry
has some unique size limitations including a propietary seatpost that
could hinder individual preference and needs for long distance riding
(fenders, waterbottles- I had to try a few different type of bottle
cages that wolud allow me to fit 2 bottles in my small size frame).- Hide quoted text -

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Cervelo R3 is carbon. Other than lack of fender clearance (I really
don't like unexpected soakings on long rides), it sounds like a fine
idea to me.

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Orin.

Thanks everybody. I would like to invoke St. Rodney: "can't we all
just get along?" If we are on two wheels and without benefit of the
infernal combustion engine we are O.K. No? Speaking of fender
clearance Would 650 wheels allow me to run 28 -32 tires and /or
fenders without compromising performance?- Hide quoted text -

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If you're talking 650c, I think it'll be difficult to find tires
bigger than 25mm. 650b with long-reach brakes will solve the big tires/
fenders problem, but, I agree with Qui si parla, it will change the
ride. Even for a retrogrouch like me, I think 650b would be maybe too
drastic a move for a carbon Cervelo. The clip-on fender is a good idea
because you don't have to try to get them between the tires and brakes.

Joe Bernard said:

If you're talking 650c, I think it'll be difficult to find tires
bigger than 25mm. 650b with long-reach brakes will solve the big tires/
fenders problem, but, I agree with Qui si parla, it will change the
ride. Even for a retrogrouch like me, I think 650b would be maybe too
drastic a move for a carbon Cervelo. The clip-on fender is a good idea
because you don't have to try to get them between the tires and brakes.

Just move back a few years, buy a typical 70's R531 "non all out race"
frame. You get a strong, durable frame, room for fenders.

The only downside is when everyone is bragging about how big his [censored]
is, and yours is not made from carbon fiber.