bottom bracket

Quoted message said:

Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
bike but nevertheless....

There's no technical reason you can't do just that.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

In article
<[email hidden]>
,

Quoted post said:

Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
bike but nevertheless....
A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

If you want low gears, are not doing loaded touring,
are not riding up cliffs, then a triple and ordinary
road cassette configuration is excellent. Say

26-38-48 and 12-23.

On long rides being in exactly the right gear is
helpful, hence the closely spaced cassette.

--
Michael Press

Michael Press said:

In article
<[email hidden]>
,

Quoted post said:

Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
bike but nevertheless....
A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

If you want low gears, are not doing loaded touring,
are not riding up cliffs, then a triple and ordinary
road cassette configuration is excellent. Say

26-38-48 and 12-23.

On long rides being in exactly the right gear is
helpful, hence the closely spaced cassette.

--
Michael Press

I run 26-36-46 with 12-27. Gears spaced close enough for me. You could
also run a 26-36-48 ring with Sheldon's "Century Special" 13-30
cassette at Harriscyclery.com. Whichever way you go, I think your plan
makes for a very useful Cervelo. You're a Bob wandering off the
reservation, yes?

Joe

Quoted post said:

Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
bike but nevertheless....
A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Quoted post said:

Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
bike but nevertheless....
A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.

inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
thanks for the straight answers guys

Quoted post said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
bike but nevertheless....
A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

Quoted message said:

No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.

inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
thanks for the straight answers guys

I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
Ultra-Torque is preferable. My reference to "Bob" is a group of folks
at [email hidden]. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.

Prepare for lots of Rivendell/Bob flaming. My first foray into this
forum last week generated a lot of antagonism towards this corner of
the cycling universe, and very little information directed towards the
topic I actually brought up, wheels. Hey, there's a question. What
kind of wheels are you going to use?

Joe Bernard said:

Quoted post said:

On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> bike but nevertheless....
> A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.

Quoted message said:

inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
thanks for the straight answers guys

I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
Ultra-Torque is preferable.

Howz yer foot taste? Hope ya washed it before ya stuck in yer mouth.

Quoted message said:

My reference to "Bob" is a group of folks
at [email hidden]. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.

Prepare for lots of Rivendell/Bob flaming.

The OP asked about a Cervelo, and you start babbling about The Grant,
Rivenschtick, iBobs and so on. Obsess much?

Quoted message said:

My first foray into this
forum last week generated a lot of antagonism towards this corner of
the cycling universe, and very little information directed towards the
topic I actually brought up, wheels. Hey, there's a question. What
kind of wheels are you going to use?- Hide quoted text -

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Ozark Bicycle said:

Joe Bernard said:

On Jul 1, 12:04 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > bike but nevertheless....
> > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
thanks for the straight answers guys

Quoted message said:

I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
Ultra-Torque is preferable.

Howz yer foot taste? Hope ya washed it before ya stuck in yer mouth.

Quoted message said:

My reference to "Bob" is a group of folks
at [email hidden]. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.

Quoted message said:

Prepare for lots of Rivendell/Bob flaming.

The OP asked about a Cervelo, and you start babbling about The Grant,
Rivenschtick, iBobs and so on. Obsess much?

Quoted message said:

My first foray into this
forum last week generated a lot of antagonism towards this corner of
the cycling universe, and very little information directed towards the
topic I actually brought up, wheels. Hey, there's a question. What
kind of wheels are you going to use?- Hide quoted text -

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I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap. the frame geometry
has some unique size limitations including a propietary seatpost that
could hinder individual preference and needs for long distance riding
(fenders, waterbottles- I had to try a few different type of bottle
cages that wolud allow me to fit 2 bottles in my small size frame).

Quoted post said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
bike but nevertheless....
A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

Quoted message said:

No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.

inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
thanks for the straight answers guys

Geezzz, let's not forget our sense of humor here.

Google 'Bob's your uncle' for a.little glimpse of English history and
I always opine about the far superior Italian threaded BB..just to see
who crows....

It's a JOKE.....

Ozark Bicycle said:

Joe Bernard said:

On Jul 1, 12:04 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > bike but nevertheless....
> > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
thanks for the straight answers guys

Quoted message said:

I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
Ultra-Torque is preferable.

Howz yer foot taste? Hope ya washed it before ya stuck in yer mouth.

Quoted message said:

My reference to "Bob" is a group of folks
at [email hidden]. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.

Quoted message said:

Prepare for lots of Rivendell/Bob flaming.

The OP asked about a Cervelo, and you start babbling about The Grant,
Rivenschtick, iBobs and so on. Obsess much?

Quoted message said:

My first foray into this
forum last week generated a lot of antagonism towards this corner of
the cycling universe, and very little information directed towards the
topic I actually brought up, wheels. Hey, there's a question. What
kind of wheels are you going to use?- Hide quoted text -

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I asked if he's a Bob and he asked what a Bob was so I answered him. I
and several other folks gave him detailed answers about his plans for
his Cervelo. What's with your attack style of replies?

Ozark Bicycle said:

Joe Bernard said:

On Jul 1, 12:04 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > bike but nevertheless....
> > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
thanks for the straight answers guys

Quoted message said:

I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
Ultra-Torque is preferable.

Howz yer foot taste? Hope ya washed it before ya stuck in yer mouth.

Quoted message said:

My reference to "Bob" is a group of folks
at [email hidden]. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.

Quoted message said:

Prepare for lots of Rivendell/Bob flaming.

The OP asked about a Cervelo, and you start babbling about The Grant,
Rivenschtick, iBobs and so on. Obsess much?

Come on, it could be worst, he could have asked about 650B (584mm)
wheels?!#@#!$#

bfd said:

On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, Ozark Bicycle

Quoted message said:

On Jul 1, 6:47 pm, Joe Bernard <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Jul 1, 12:04 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> > FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> > that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
> bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
> thanks for the straight answers guys

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
Ultra-Torque is preferable.

Quoted message said:

Howz yer foot taste? Hope ya washed it before ya stuck in yer mouth.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My reference to "Bob" is a group of folks
at [email hidden]. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Prepare for lots of Rivendell/Bob flaming.

Quoted message said:

The OP asked about a Cervelo, and you start babbling about The Grant,
Rivenschtick, iBobs and so on. Obsess much?

Come on, it could be worst, he could have asked about 650B (584mm)
wheels?!#@#!$#-

That wouldn't "be worst", just completely different. And the Riv-laden
reply from Joe would have made more sense in that context.

Joe Bernard said:

On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, Ozark Bicycle

Quoted message said:

On Jul 1, 6:47 pm, Joe Bernard <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Jul 1, 12:04 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> > FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> > that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
> bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
> thanks for the straight answers guys

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
Ultra-Torque is preferable.

Quoted message said:

Howz yer foot taste? Hope ya washed it before ya stuck in yer mouth.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My reference to "Bob" is a group of folks
at [email hidden]. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Prepare for lots of Rivendell/Bob flaming.

Quoted message said:

The OP asked about a Cervelo, and you start babbling about The Grant,
Rivenschtick, iBobs and so on. Obsess much?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My first foray into this
forum last week generated a lot of antagonism towards this corner of
the cycling universe, and very little information directed towards the
topic I actually brought up, wheels. Hey, there's a question. What
kind of wheels are you going to use?- Hide quoted text -

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I asked if he's a Bob and he asked what a Bob was so I answered him. I
and several other folks gave him detailed answers about his plans for
his Cervelo. What's with your attack style of replies?-

Attack? Just pointed out your agenda-driven reply, that's all. I
didn't even mention the whining you did, did I?

Ozark Bicycle said:

Joe Bernard said:

On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, Ozark Bicycle

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Jul 1, 6:47 pm, Joe Bernard <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> On Jul 1, 12:04 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> > > FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> > > that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
> > bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
> > thanks for the straight answers guys

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
> Ultra-Torque is preferable.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Howz yer foot taste? Hope ya washed it before ya stuck in yer mouth.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> My reference to "Bob" is a group of folks
> at [email hidden]. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
> Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
> created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
> steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
> interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
> riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
> saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
> very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
> carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Prepare for lots of Rivendell/Bob flaming.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The OP asked about a Cervelo, and you start babbling about The Grant,
Rivenschtick, iBobs and so on. Obsess much?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> My first foray into this
> forum last week generated a lot of antagonism towards this corner of
> the cycling universe, and very little information directed towards the
> topic I actually brought up, wheels. Hey, there's a question. What
> kind of wheels are you going to use?- Hide quoted text -

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I asked if he's a Bob and he asked what a Bob was so I answered him. I
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What agenda? I was pretty sure the guy was a Bob, so I mentioned it. I
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to be explaining it. I don't care who rides what bike, as you clearly
do. Your agenda is to accuse me of trying to convert people to my type
of riding. I was just answering the guy's question. So far you haven't
answered any of them. What do you think of his component choices? Good
idea, or is he also riding the "wrong" bike?

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I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap.

Old, old wife's tale.

Joe Bernard said:

On Jul 2, 12:46 pm, Ozark Bicycle

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On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, Ozark Bicycle

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> > > On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

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> > > > No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> > > > FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> > > > that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.

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> > > inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
> > > bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
> > > thanks for the straight answers guys

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> > I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
> > Ultra-Torque is preferable.

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> > My reference to "Bob" is a group of folks
> > at [email hidden]. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
> > Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
> > created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
> > steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
> > interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
> > riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
> > saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
> > very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
> > carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.

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> > Prepare for lots of Rivendell/Bob flaming.

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> The OP asked about a Cervelo, and you start babbling about The Grant,
> Rivenschtick, iBobs and so on. Obsess much?

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> > forum last week generated a lot of antagonism towards this corner of
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I asked if he's a Bob and he asked what a Bob was so I answered him. I
and several other folks gave him detailed answers about his plans for
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What agenda? I was pretty sure the guy was a Bob, so I mentioned it.

Yeah, and you were "pretty sure" Peter Chisholm was a champion of
external bearing BBs, too, weren't ya? In both cases you were "pretty
sure" based on *nothing* in evidence.

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I didn't expect him to be unaware of the term, therefore I didn't expect
to be explaining it. I don't care who rides what bike, as you clearly
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I do? Do tell, what do I think people should ride?

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Your agenda is to accuse me of trying to convert people to my type
of riding.

Not at all. But, if you want to use your posts to preach the Gospel
According to Grant, you can expect some dissent. Live with it.

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On Jul 2, 12:46 pm, Ozark Bicycle

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> > > > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.

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> > > > > No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> > > > > FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> > > > > that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.

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> > > > inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
> > > > bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
> > > > thanks for the straight answers guys

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> > > I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
> > > Ultra-Torque is preferable.

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> > > at [email hidden]. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
> > > Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
> > > created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
> > > steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
> > > interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
> > > riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
> > > saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
> > > very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
> > > carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.

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> > Rivenschtick, iBobs and so on. Obsess much?

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> his Cervelo. What's with your attack style of replies?-

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What agenda? I was pretty sure the guy was a Bob, so I mentioned it.

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external bearing BBs, too, weren't ya? In both cases you were "pretty
sure" based on *nothing* in evidence.

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I didn't expect him to be unaware of the term, therefore I didn't expect
to be explaining it. I don't care who rides what bike, as you clearly
do.

I do? Do tell, what do I think people should ride?

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Your agenda is to accuse me of trying to convert people to my type
of riding.

Not at all. But, if you want to use your posts to preach the Gospel
According to Grant, you can expect some dissent. Live with it.

I was just answering the guy's question. So far you haven't

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As I stated, I guessed about the BB thing. I never said I was "pretty
sure" what Peter meant. As for being "pretty sure" about the "Bob"
thing, the guy called himself a retrogrouch. Most people who bandy
that term about are aware of Bridgestone and Rivendell and all that,
so I was "pretty sure" he would know what I was referring to. When it
turned out he didn't - and wanted to know what I was talking about - I
told him. And all I did was explain it. I didn't tell him it was "the
better way" or in any other way try to get him to "see the light". I
have no problem with dissent. I do have a problem with your style of
it. I know, you'll have another snappy retort asserting your dominance
until the last person left still reading our boring little catfight
will know you're right and I'm wrong. You win. Uncle!

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I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap.

Old, old wife's tale.

mishap is old wives tale ? hell, yesterday I nearly got sideswiped off
the road as a car reared ended another and bounced into the curb right
in front of me. I recall my old alum stems would produce hairline
cracks after about a year- I changed them then so nothing further than
that- and harsher ride is no myth either. the cervelo top tube is too
thin to clamp in a workstand- not that I did so with any other bike,
but the cervelo warns against clamping the top tube- I wonder how thin
it really is ? ok I ride a cervelo on long distances, but my choice
was a package deal- there are things about cervelo that I have wished
were different, I just thought I might share those thoughts.

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I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap.

Old, old wife's tale.

mishap is old wives tale ? hell, yesterday I nearly got sideswiped off
the road as a car reared ended another and bounced into the curb right
in front of me.

I don't the connection...

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I recall my old alum stems would produce hairline
cracks after about a year- I changed them then so nothing further than
that- and harsher ride is no myth either.

All/any bike parts can crack, whatever the material.

Let's just say the "harsh ride" is controversial -- although it does
seem to have become a minority opinion.

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the cervelo top tube is too
thin to clamp in a workstand- not that I did so with any other bike,
but the cervelo warns against clamping the top tube- I wonder how thin
it really is ? ok I ride a cervelo on long distances, but my choice
was a package deal- there are things about cervelo that I have wished
were different, I just thought I might share those thoughts.

You can't clamp light steel top tubes either.