Backpacking Kit

I've trawled through these postings and am amazed that no-one (except
me!) has mentioned the case of coming across and giving assistance to a
casualty. How would any of you feel if you weren't carrying a survival
bag, and you came across someone in the hills that needed one - and you
were unable to help and as a consequence they died of hypothermia? If
that happened, I'd bet you'd carry one after - so why not carry one
before, 'in case'?

Jim Ford

urlhttp://www.thehelmets.co.uk/url said:

I havent been rude to anyone...

Yes you have: manners on Usenet is covered in basic netiquette, which
you haven't been applying to your posts. If you want to use Usenet it's
only good manners to stick to convention and quote relevant pieces of
what you are replying to. Not using good manners when there's no reason
not to is rude. QED.

Quoted message said:

will see that I am not a rude person, and have respect for other
peoples views.

Except when you are, and when you don't.

Pete.
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again peter, I bow down to your greater experience and superior
knowledge in all areas. really.

Jim Ford said:

I've trawled through these postings and am amazed that no-one (except
me!) has mentioned the case of coming across and giving assistance to a
casualty. How would any of you feel if you weren't carrying a survival
bag, and you came across someone in the hills that needed one - and you
were unable to help and as a consequence they died of hypothermia? If
that happened, I'd bet you'd carry one after - so why not carry one
before, 'in case'?

There is a lot that can be done to help a casualty that doesn't involve
putting them in a bivvi bag. And the logic doesn't scale, or you should
be taking anything you conceivably can "just in case".

Formal first aid training probably has a much better chance of saving
someone on the edge than Stuff, so should everyone get formal 1st aid
training too, "just in case"? I don't think that's reasonable to expect.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

urlhttp://www.thehelmets.co.uk/url said:

again peter, I bow down to your greater experience and superior
knowledge in all areas. really.

I'm not dumb enough to bear grudges and I hope you aren't either, but it
really /does/ make your points and arguments difficult to follow if you
won't conform to the standard netiquette of quoting posts you're
replying to. You should at least realise that I'm not the only person
to be pointing this out, and it should be obvious that a post with no
context outside of a whole thread is a lot less useful to everyone
concerned than one where you quite the points you're replying to.

Pete.
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Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

im sorry

which water would that be?

AndyP said:

urlhttp://www.thehelmets.co.uk/url said:

you do?

As Roger said earlier could you quote some previous text to show what
you're replying to. It's tough for us Wanadoo refugees on Google Groups
to know what you're talking about. Well, obviously tough anyway but...

Get yourself off to news.indvidual.net http://news.individual.net/
like I did. For the massive sum of 10 Euros a year you get a great
text newsfeed to point your reader at.

Having said that, a little context would be nice.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

In message <[email hidden]>,
"http://www.thehelmets.co.uk" <[email hidden]> writes

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which water would that be?

What are you talking about? You appear to be replying to a non-existent
query.

Peter Clinch said:

Jim Ford said:

I _always_ carry a first aid kit and survival bag, even in a daysac.

Always? Including when popping down to the shops with that daysac for a
pint of milk, loaf of bread and a paper? For a picnic in the park?
"Always", especially with emphasis, means quite a lot!

Yes _always_! A first aid kit and survival bag live in the daysac, so
when I use it, it's there - even for walks in the Chilterns. I don't
take my daysac to buy loaves of bread or milk, but if I did the bag and
first aid kit would go along.

My reasoning is that if never come out of the day/rucsac, it will be
there if I need it. 'Sod's Law' says that the one time I take either
out, I'll need it! I consider the trivial weight and bulk of these items
is worth the peace of mind they bring.

Jim Ford

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Quoted message said:

"I'm only being rude to one person who was rude to everyone else first.
" ...

Quoted text from the absolutely clueless. :-)

--
Roger Chapman

In message <[email hidden]>, Jim Ford
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Peter Clinch said:

Jim Ford said:

I _always_ carry a first aid kit and survival bag, even in a daysac.

Always? Including when popping down to the shops with that daysac
for a pint of milk, loaf of bread and a paper? For a picnic in the
park? "Always", especially with emphasis, means quite a lot!

Yes _always_! A first aid kit and survival bag live in the daysac, so
when I use it, it's there - even for walks in the Chilterns. I don't
take my daysac to buy loaves of bread or milk, but if I did the bag and
first aid kit would go along.

My reasoning is that if never come out of the day/rucsac, it will be
there if I need it. 'Sod's Law' says that the one time I take either
out, I'll need it! I consider the trivial weight and bulk of these
items is worth the peace of mind they bring.

Do you ever take them out to check they are still okay? I've seen a
plastic survival bag that had been carried in a rucksack for a few years
split along the seams when finally taken out.

Jim Ford said:

I've trawled through these postings and am amazed that no-one (except
me!) has mentioned the case of coming across and giving assistance to a
casualty. How would any of you feel if you weren't carrying a survival
bag, and you came across someone in the hills that needed one - and you
were unable to help and as a consequence they died of hypothermia? If
that happened, I'd bet you'd carry one after - so why not carry one
before, 'in case'?

It seems to be drummed into people at every opportunity that survival
bags are a must have item. It's always a good thing to think about
accepted wisdom a bit. Casualties don't specifically need a survival
bag as such, they just need to be kept warm and preferably dry. Iif
you're backpacking you'll already have things such as a sleeping bag
and a tent which can do this. Just quickly draping a tent flysheet over
someone will crate a warm atmosphere of still air the same way as a
plastic survival bag. Then in the space your survival bag would have
taken up you can take a couple more Mars bars which could be prove to
be just as helpful.

On 11 Apr 2006 06:48:17 -0700, "AndyP" <[email hidden]> wrote:

|http://www.thehelmets.co.uk wrote:
|> you do?
|
|As Roger said earlier could you quote some previous text to show what
|you're replying to. It's tough for us Wanadoo refugees on Google Groups
|to know what you're talking about. Well, obviously tough anyway but...

If you subscribe to news.individual.net at Euro 10 per year, you will IMO
get a much better service than the old wanadoo or any other newsserver.
--
Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk> Google Groups is IME the *worst*
method of accessing usenet. GG subscribers would be well advised get a
newsreader, say Agent, and a newsserver, say news.individual.net. These
will allow them: to see only *new* posts, a killfile, and other goodies.

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which water would that be?

You wouldn't need to display your ignorance quite so obviously if you
learned to consult a dictionary when you didn't understand the meaning
of a simple remark.

--
Roger Chapman

Chris Townsend said:

In message <[email hidden]>, Jim Ford

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Yes _always_! A first aid kit and survival bag live in the daysac, so
when I use it, it's there - even for walks in the Chilterns. I don't
take my daysac to buy loaves of bread or milk, but if I did the bag and
first aid kit would go along.

Quoted message said:

Do you ever take them out to check they are still okay? I've seen a
plastic survival bag that had been carried in a rucksack for a few years
split along the seams when finally taken out.

I've just been sat in mine to see how effective it is 'cos I'm curious
like that and all my kit is still strewn about waiting to be packed
away anyway. Stick it over your head and the temperature seems to
arrive at maximum increase of about 7 degrees after a few minutes.
Mine's thin enough to still watch telly through, they should give them
out to the over 60s instead of a fuel allowance. (A tent flysheet is
similarly effective in raising the temp but you can't see through it).

My girlfriend's space blanket type thing fell to bits when I unpacked
it once.

Phil Cook said:

Get yourself off to news.indvidual.net http://news.individual.net/
like I did. For the massive sum of 10 Euros a year you get a great
text newsfeed to point your reader at.

Thanks, I'm aware of it.

Dave Fawthrop said:

On 11 Apr 2006 06:48:17 -0700, "AndyP" <[email hidden]> wrote:

|http://www.thehelmets.co.uk wrote:
|> you do?
|
|As Roger said earlier could you quote some previous text to show what
|you're replying to. It's tough for us Wanadoo refugees on Google Groups
|to know what you're talking about. Well, obviously tough anyway but...

If you subscribe to news.individual.net at Euro 10 per year, you will IMO
get a much better service than the old wanadoo or any other newsserver.

Really? I never noticed the poorness of the old Freeserve one. But
then I wasn't doing a parallel comparison so never knew how good it
was compared with any other. Of course any service is better than
none. :-)

--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Roger, you really should get your facts right. Absolutely clueless?

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Roger, you really should get your facts right. Absolutely clueless?

That's right. You are absolutely clueless about Usenet viz your risible
way of quoting previous context the on only occasion you have managed
it.

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Roger Chapman