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  1. Quoting Marsha:

    Quoted message said:
    Suze said:

    The point is that there are several people that post to the group that
    obviously have advanced degrees and I know of at least one person that
    has an MBA. So it seems a little self-satisfied to sign posts as
    "resident MBA" and such.

    The only reason I even asked "why" was to give him the benefit of the
    doubt -- thinking he might be a young fella that just obtained his
    degree and is just a bit proud of it if you know what I mean. Or
    something like that.

    Quoted message said:

    What a pretentious thing though. "I'm in a club for smart people."

    Exactly. It also comes across as incredibly insecure.

    "I'm smrt, I'm smrt! Really, I am..."

    Actually, Suze, I find that much less irritating
    that Pastorio's posts filled with $.50 words. That
    really smacks of an "I'm superior" attitude.

    Sorry, I just don't see it that way, M.

    Bob has the intellectual horsepower to back his $.50 words up in Teh
    Greater Context, generally speaking. I may not always agree with his
    sentiments or the way in which he approaches a debate, but that's
    okay.

    FWIW, I decided not to comment further on the other thread because it
    just felt too much like 'let's you and him fight' even if that wasn't
    your intent.

  2. Roger Zoul said:

    Marsha <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> JC Der Koenig wrote:
    :>
    :> > "Marsha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    :> >>Suze wrote:
    :>
    :> >>>
    :> >>>Exactly. It also comes across as incredibly insecure. "I'm smrt,
    :> >>>I'm smrt! Really, I am..."
    :> >>>
    :> >>
    :> >>Actually, Suze, I find that much less irritating that Pastorio's
    :> >>posts filled with $.50 words. That really smacks of an "I'm
    :> >>superior" attitude.
    :> >>
    :> >
    :> >
    :> > He's educated, he can write, and he knows it. I don't have a
    :> > problem with that. Perhaps it's low self-esteem that causes some
    :> > to become irritated.
    :> >
    :>
    :> My self esteem is just fine and it always has
    :> been. As has been pointed out, there are other
    :> people here that are just as or more educated, but
    :> don't need to expound on it, in every single post
    :> no less.

    I see it as entertainment.

    Well, then there's that I suppose.

    Marsha/Ohio

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Roger Zoul said:

    Marsha <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> JC Der Koenig wrote:
    :>
    :> > "Marsha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    :> >>Suze wrote:
    :>
    :> >>>
    :> >>>Exactly. It also comes across as incredibly insecure. "I'm smrt,
    :> >>>I'm smrt! Really, I am..."
    :> >>>
    :> >>
    :> >>Actually, Suze, I find that much less irritating that Pastorio's
    :> >>posts filled with $.50 words. That really smacks of an "I'm
    :> >>superior" attitude.
    :> >>
    :> >
    :> >
    :> > He's educated, he can write, and he knows it. I don't have a
    :> > problem with that. Perhaps it's low self-esteem that causes some
    :> > to become irritated.
    :> >
    :>
    :> My self esteem is just fine and it always has
    :> been. As has been pointed out, there are other
    :> people here that are just as or more educated, but
    :> don't need to expound on it, in every single post
    :> no less.

    I see it as entertainment.

    I never even noticed. I guess I was paying more attention to the
    content than the style.

    --
    http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

  4. Marsha said:
    Suze said:

    The point is that there are several people that post to the group that
    obviously have advanced degrees and I know of at least one person that
    has an MBA. So it seems a little self-satisfied to sign posts as
    "resident MBA" and such.
    The only reason I even asked "why" was to give him the benefit of the
    doubt -- thinking he might be a young fella that just obtained his
    degree and is just a bit proud of it if you know what I mean. Or
    something like that.

    Quoted message said:

    What a pretentious thing though. "I'm in a club for smart people."

    Exactly. It also comes across as incredibly insecure.
    "I'm smrt, I'm smrt! Really, I am..."

    I agree that it's bad form to put that into posts here, but I'd disagree
    that it says smart. I say it implies accomplishment, more than IQ.

    Quoted message said:

    Actually, Suze, I find that much less irritating that Pastorio's posts
    filled with $.50 words. That really smacks of an "I'm superior" attitude.

    You only see it that way because you don't even try to write with
    anything approaching precision. You deal in vagueness and innuendo. You
    deal in an attitude that implies that your way is the only way, and
    stunted vocabularies are good things. That emotionally loaded, extremely
    partisan, superficial raving is somehow communications.

    I write professionally and I have for nearly 50 years. I have no
    apologies to offer anyone for having been fortunate enough to have
    accumulated a large vocabulary. It permits me to express thoughts very
    tightly and exactly. Other people are good at other things. Do you get
    your undies all in a twist when a plumber uses words you don't know? A
    doctor? Education will do that, you know.

    What I refuse to do is dumb it down - for the likes of you or anyone. If
    you think that using my vocabulary is arrogant, how much more so is it
    to write things in small words so people like you can understand it
    without using a dictionary? It would be condescending and disrespectful
    to write that way - *that* would be "an I'm superior attitude." Kind of
    a pat on the head for those linguistically "less fortunate" and
    vocabularily "poor" I'd say. I'm not writing for the lowest common
    denominator. I assume intelligence in anyone able to get here.

    It's very interesting that in all the years I've been writing in
    magazines and newspapers, and talking on radio and TV, others haven't
    leveled that complaint. No letters to the editor about my language. No
    phone calls condemning me for it. Our radio ratings are the highest in
    the market. My columns won readers' awards. It seems to be a problem of
    yours where you rant and rage and get called on the emptiness of it.
    From a critic with an educated vocabulary.

    In my years of schooling, I went to public and religious grade and high
    schools, and state and religious universities. Got middling grades. No
    aristocracy here; blue-collar, middle class family. I'm the second
    person in my family to ever graduate from college. I have no reason to
    be holding my pinkie up, and I don't. Your belligerent limits and
    failings don't prompt me to change my methods.

    And here's the other reality. My posts aren't mandatory for you to
    struggle through and puzzle over, anguishing about my high-falutin'
    language. Just skip them. Your blood pressure will be better, your
    nights will no longer be taken up with festering over my $.50 words, and
    you may rest easy knowing that you won't be given anything to actually
    think about. Or learn any new words so you, too, could write carefully.

    My prescription for you: Take a killfile and don't call me in the
    morning.

    Pastorio

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    Bob (this one) wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    When it doesn't, it's typing practice.

    Pastorio

    More like mental masturbation.

    Damn you! ;-)
    I just about choked on an olive......

    <lol>
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  6. [email hidden] wrote:
    :> Bob (this one) wrote:
    :>
    :> <snip>
    :>
    :> > When it doesn't, it's typing practice.
    :> >
    :> > Pastorio
    :>
    :> More like mental masturbation.

    That good for you, you know....

  7. [email hidden] wrote:
    :> Bob (this one) wrote:
    :>
    :> <snip>
    :>
    :> > When it doesn't, it's typing practice.
    :> >
    :> > Pastorio
    :>
    :> More like mental masturbation.

    That good for you, you know....

  8. Roger Zoul said:

    [email hidden] wrote:
    :> Bob (this one) wrote:
    :>
    :> <snip>
    :>
    :> > When it doesn't, it's typing practice.
    :> >
    :> > Pastorio
    :>
    :> More like mental masturbation.

    That good for you, you know....

    Perhaps. Some say masturbation is a springboard and practicing ground
    for real sexual experience.

    Mental masturbation might someday lead to real thinking.

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    Luna wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    I never even noticed. I guess I was paying more attention to the
    content than the style.

    --
    http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

    Perhaps I do have low self-esteem, but here goes anyways: I find
    Bob's posts irritating for exactly the above reason. His posts (.50
    cent words and all) are like a big beautiful car with no engine in it.

    Huh. While I agree with approximately .05% of his positions, I can
    follow his logic quite easily. We just operate from different
    postulates.

    --
    http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    Luna wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    I never even noticed. I guess I was paying more attention to the
    content than the style.

    --
    http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

    Perhaps I do have low self-esteem, but here goes anyways: I find
    Bob's posts irritating for exactly the above reason. His posts (.50
    cent words and all) are like a big beautiful car with no engine in it.

    Huh. While I agree with approximately .05% of his positions, I can
    follow his logic quite easily. We just operate from different
    postulates.

    --
    http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

  11. Quoting Bob (this one):

    Quoted message said:
    Marsha said:

    Suze wrote:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > What a pretentious thing though. "I'm in a club for smart people."

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Exactly. It also comes across as incredibly insecure.
    "I'm smrt, I'm smrt! Really, I am..."

    Quoted message said:

    I agree that it's bad form to put that into posts here, but I'd disagree
    that it says smart. I say it implies accomplishment, more than IQ.

    I agree. There was some context altering snippage along the way.

    That part of my post was in reference to Max mentioning his Mensa
    membership, not the MBA.

    I asked him why he would mention either the MBA or Mensa, then Om
    replied saying that JC had questioned Max's intelligence, and that
    Mensa members are generally intelligent so that's probably why he
    brought it up.

    Then dr ernie came in with the "what a pretentious thing..." comment.

  12. Luna said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    Luna wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    I never even noticed. I guess I was paying more attention to the
    content than the style.

    --
    http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

    Perhaps I do have low self-esteem, but here goes anyways: I find
    Bob's posts irritating for exactly the above reason. His posts (.50
    cent words and all) are like a big beautiful car with no engine in it.

    Huh. While I agree with approximately .05% of his positions, I can
    follow his logic quite easily. We just operate from different
    postulates.

    I don't necessarily disagree with you. However, he still seems to use
    quite a lot of words to elucidate a what in the end is a pretty
    simplistic position (e.g., neoliberal political philosophy).

    Quoted message said:


    --
    http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

  13. [email hidden] wrote:
    :> Luna wrote:
    :> > In article <[email hidden]>,
    :> > [email hidden] wrote:
    :> >
    :> > > Luna wrote:
    :> > >
    :> > > <snip>
    :> > >
    :> > > >
    :> > > > I never even noticed. I guess I was paying more attention to
    :> > > > the content than the style.
    :> > > >
    :> > > > --
    :> > > > http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick
    :> > >
    :> > > Perhaps I do have low self-esteem, but here goes anyways: I
    :> > > find Bob's posts irritating for exactly the above reason. His
    :> > > posts (.50 cent words and all) are like a big beautiful car with
    :> > > no engine in it.
    :> >
    :> > Huh. While I agree with approximately .05% of his positions, I can
    :> > follow his logic quite easily. We just operate from different
    :> > postulates.
    :>
    :> I don't necessarily disagree with you. However, he still seems to
    :> use quite a lot of words to elucidate a what in the end is a pretty
    :> simplistic position (e.g., neoliberal political philosophy).

    If there are too many words, don't read them.

  14. [email hidden] wrote:
    :> Luna wrote:
    :> > In article <[email hidden]>,
    :> > [email hidden] wrote:
    :> >
    :> > > Luna wrote:
    :> > >
    :> > > <snip>
    :> > >
    :> > > >
    :> > > > I never even noticed. I guess I was paying more attention to
    :> > > > the content than the style.
    :> > > >
    :> > > > --
    :> > > > http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick
    :> > >
    :> > > Perhaps I do have low self-esteem, but here goes anyways: I
    :> > > find Bob's posts irritating for exactly the above reason. His
    :> > > posts (.50 cent words and all) are like a big beautiful car with
    :> > > no engine in it.
    :> >
    :> > Huh. While I agree with approximately .05% of his positions, I can
    :> > follow his logic quite easily. We just operate from different
    :> > postulates.
    :>
    :> I don't necessarily disagree with you. However, he still seems to
    :> use quite a lot of words to elucidate a what in the end is a pretty
    :> simplistic position (e.g., neoliberal political philosophy).

    If there are too many words, don't read them.

  15. Quoted message said:
    Luna said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    Luna wrote:

    <snip>

    >I never even noticed. I guess I was paying more attention to the
    >content than the style.
    >
    >--
    >http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

    Perhaps I do have low self-esteem, but here goes anyways: I find
    Bob's posts irritating for exactly the above reason. His posts (.50
    cent words and all) are like a big beautiful car with no engine in it.

    Huh. While I agree with approximately .05% of his positions, I can
    follow his logic quite easily. We just operate from different
    postulates.

    I don't necessarily disagree with you. However, he still seems to use
    quite a lot of words to elucidate a what in the end is a pretty
    simplistic position (e.g., neoliberal political philosophy).

    As opposed to a political philosophy that has no practical components
    for delivering the mail, constructing highways, making national parks,
    patrolling borders, controlling waterways...

    As for my approach being simplistic, it has both practical and
    consistent philosophical elements. Thus far, your philosophy has been
    against government, against societally organized actions, against
    massive programs. You talk about the individual as the action element
    and offer no ways that individual can deal with needs large than the one
    person's capacities. And you talk about charities and their good works
    as examples of how things should be but seem unable to say how the
    12,000 Kodak employees who have been displaced should be dealt with,
    both for them and their families, and the society and its economy.

    Try to peddle that condescending tone, if you can, but without anything
    more substantial than dismissing useful and practical ideas but offering
    none of your own, it sure looks like a hollow position you've taken.
    Only being *against* is a "simplistic" position.

    Pastorio

  16. Quoted message said:

    Luna wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    I never even noticed. I guess I was paying more attention to the
    content than the style.


    Perhaps I do have low self-esteem, but here goes anyways: I find
    Bob's posts irritating for exactly the above reason. His posts (.50
    cent words and all) are like a big beautiful car with no engine in it.

    What grand imagery. What wonderfully empty concision. This from the guy
    who wants government to stop building roads, cleaning up toxic waste,
    retraining displaced workers, building bridges. We should somehow get
    it all done from "self-interest." Maybe Marjorie down the block can
    ramrod the 8-lane bridge across the Mississippi after soccer practice.

    Speaking of no engines...

    Pastorio

  17. Marsha said:
    Bob (this one) said:
    Marsha said:

    > Exactly. It also comes across as incredibly insecure.
    > "I'm smrt, I'm smrt! Really, I am..."

    I agree that it's bad form to put that into posts here, but I'd
    disagree that it says smart. I say it implies accomplishment, more
    than IQ.

    Quoted message said:

    Actually, Suze, I find that much less irritating that Pastorio's
    posts filled with $.50 words. That really smacks of an "I'm superior"
    attitude.

    You only see it that way because you don't even try to write with
    anything approaching precision.

    Don't need to. It's a newsgroup, not a job interview.

    EOFS.

    Pastorio

  18. JC Der Koenig said:

    "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    If you're going to be critical, do try to be honest. I know; a burden. I
    don't "expound on" my education. That sounds like I boast about it. Nope.

    I demonstrate it.


    Before you go gettin' the big head, let me point out that you're a bit
    wordy.

    I know that. My wife the writer reminds me of that with some frequency.
    A failing of mine, I guess. But I'm not concerned enough about it to do
    much changing. I apologize to all who fall asleep from the length and
    density of my posts. I know I do, myself, sometimes... <LOL>

    I get lost in the fullness of expressing the notions. But as long as
    none of our posts are mandatory and not part of the final grade of life,
    it can be whatever it becomes.

    Your posts are the essence of annoying brevity. But I read them because
    you usually hit the mark. Now and again, I splurt my cup of tea on the
    monitor. And, still, I'm being talked at and talked about and flamed, I
    *still* can't get my name in the freakin headers. You still have more
    threads about you.

    Curses, foiled again...

    Pastorio (see how long a short answer can become?)

  19. Quoted message said:

    Bob (this one) wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    When it doesn't, it's typing practice.

    Pastorio

    More like mental masturbation.

    This from Dr. "Refreshingly transtheoretical..." Isn't it grand when a
    Ph.D. in psychology can lower himself to the level of a beerjoint
    people-wizard and just be one of the guys...?

    Ya think?

    Pastorio

  20. Roger Zoul said:

    Bob (this one) <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    :> Roger Zoul wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    :> > I see it as entertainment.
    :>
    :> And a good bit of it is exactly that, by intent and by language. I
    :> assume that people can understand it when I write full-out. Agreement
    :> not important. Conversion not important. Acceptance not important.
    :> It's all about the dialogue and the trading of views. It's all about
    :> triggering thoughts other then the usual. When it works, it's great.
    :> When it doesn't, it's typing practice.

    Please don't stop....I can read your stuff while doing other things 🙂

    <LOL> Not too demanding, huh...?

    Did I ever tell you the one where it rhymes with Nantucket...?

    Pastorio

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