Arm flab exercise?

tricep kickbacks with a nine lb weight will target the tricep pretty
quick, but usually arm flab isnt made of a loose muscle just hanging
there. It's that last deposit of fat and stretched out skin. You can
tighten and tone or increase the mass of the tricep, but only
liposuction and the removal of the excess skin can remove ALL the droop.

Im planning on using mine as wings. I think I could glide a mile or
more.
They might serve as handy weapons, too. I could probably flap a mugger
to death.

LassChance

5-16-05 202/182/162

Cubit----
Yep. "Spot reduction" only happens in a plastic surgeon's office.

Re: Arm flab exercise?

Group: alt.support.diet.low-carb Date: Wed, Aug 3, 2005, 11:55pm (EDT+4)
From: [email hidden] (Cubit)
I tend to believe the contention that there is no such thing as spot
reducing. Just because a muscle is near a lump of fat does not mean the
body will use that particular fat to refuel itself.
"Marsha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Someone posted a good arm flab exercise quite a while ago. This is for
the back part of the arm between the elbow and shoulder. Can someone
refresh my memory? Thanks much.
Marsha/Ohio

5-16-05 202/182/162

Marsha said
"One site I found on Google suggests pushaways from a wall for beginners
and then graduate to counter push-backs, then go on to real pushups.
That sounds like it might work until I get rid of some of this belly."

I thought you wanted to tone the triceps? When you want to work on a
particular muscle, do an exercise that targets THAT muscle. You dont
need to employ the other muscles of the chest and back to tone the
triceps.

Put your left hand and left knee on a bench. Hold a nine pound weight in
your right hand, by your side. Keeping the elbow at your side, "kick
back" the weight. You will feel it immediately. Do as many reps as you
can and work up to three sets of 10.. Then change sides and repeat with
the other arm.

I thought you have a trainer?

LassChance

5-16-05 202/182/162

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Lass Chance_2) said:

tricep kickbacks with a nine lb weight will target the tricep pretty
quick, but usually arm flab isnt made of a loose muscle just hanging
there. It's that last deposit of fat and stretched out skin. You can
tighten and tone or increase the mass of the tricep, but only
liposuction and the removal of the excess skin can remove ALL the droop.

Im planning on using mine as wings. I think I could glide a mile or
more.
They might serve as handy weapons, too. I could probably flap a mugger
to death.

LassChance

5-16-05 202/182/162

<snicker>
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
:: In article <[email hidden]>,
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
::::: In article <[email hidden]>,
::::: "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::::
:::::: You know so much, and yet you are still so obese.
::::::
:::::: Amazing how that works.
::::::
:::::
::::: Pthththth!
:::::
::::: Bite me sweetheart! ;-)
:::::
::::: Yeah, I'm stalled for now, but I'm trying harder!
:::::
::::: <sigh>
:::::
::::: I'm NOT pigging out either!
::::: Now that I have more of a routine schedule, I think things
::::: will work out better.
:::::
::::: On the up side, my DL is up to 150 lbs. now. :-)
:::
::: Good work!
:::
:::
::
:: Thanks! ;-)
:: I'm still paying for Teus. workout with a good case of upper back
:: DOMS,
:: but it hurts so good if you know what I mean? <lol>

I know exactly what you mean because that's were I get sore too. I like
that pain...

::
:: I'm _trying_ to increase that particular lift by 5 lbs. per week.
::

Be careful with that. Gains come when they come, not on a schedule.

:: My bench press still sux but I'm considering doing those on the Smith
:: rack so I can safely increase the weight without having to have a
:: spotter.

I hate the Smith machine. I get all kinds of shoulder pain if I even look
in the direction of that machine. Be careful.

:: --
:: Om.
::
:: "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]."
:: -Jack Nicholson

Lass Chance_2 wrote:
:: Marsha said
:: "One site I found on Google suggests pushaways from a wall for
:: beginners and then graduate to counter push-backs, then go on to
:: real pushups. That sounds like it might work until I get rid of some
:: of this belly."
::
:: I thought you wanted to tone the triceps? When you want to work on a
:: particular muscle, do an exercise that targets THAT muscle. You dont
:: need to employ the other muscles of the chest and back to tone the
:: triceps.
::
:: Put your left hand and left knee on a bench. Hold a nine pound
:: weight in your right hand, by your side. Keeping the elbow at your
:: side, "kick back" the weight. You will feel it immediately. Do as
:: many reps as you can and work up to three sets of 10.. Then change
:: sides and repeat with the other arm.
::
:: I thought you have a trainer?
::

You can train triceps just fine with compound movements like presses & dips,
and such (pushing motions). In fact, many claim those movements work better
than isolation movements as muscles tend to work in groups, anyway.

The advice to do tricep specific training to tone the back of the arms is
potential bad advice. If the person doing the movement doesn't manage do
lose fat, but instead gains muscle mass, then the arms could end up getting
bigger, as the larger muscle sits under a layer of fat. I think most women
would find that objectionable, as would some guys.

My advice is simply to adopt a fully-body routine that trains all muscle
groups (it doesn't have to include isolation movements if the appropriate
compound movements are there) and then to focus on eating below maintenance
(i.e., LCing), so as to lose bodyfat while keeping/gaining muscle. Cardio
will help. At the very least, put all isolation movements at the end of
your routine as they tend to be for smaller muscles and have little impact
on boosting metabolism (afterburn) and buring calories (ie, they tend to not
help as much with weight loss as compound movements do) during the workout.

In short, there really isn't any need to focus specifically on triceps for
the purpose of improving the look of the back of the arms.

Right, Roger....if you hate your flabby arms, work your chest and back.
Maybe the arms will get a little, too, if only by accident.

Aerobics will burn fat, wherever it is.

Targeting a specific muscle to tone it just simply works best. That's
why they call it, "body sculpting", Roger----changing specific muscles
to be the way we want them to be. And, without much testosterone, women
dont build much in the way of muscle mass. Models often work their tris
and avoid working bi's to keep a 'thin" arm with a noticable cut above
the triceps, for shape. Ever notice Goldie Hawn's beautiful arms? No
trace of bicep---well defined tris.
For sculpting, targeting specific muscles is everything.

Quoted message said:

"In short, there really isn't any need to
focus specifically on triceps for the
purpose of improving the look of the >back of the arms."

not unless you actually want to solve the flabby arm problem.

LassChance

5-16-05 202/182/162

Lass Chance_2 said:

Right, Roger....if you hate your flabby arms, work your chest and back.
Maybe the arms will get a little, too, if only by accident.

Aerobics will burn fat, wherever it is.

Targeting a specific muscle to tone it just simply works best. That's
why they call it, "body sculpting", Roger----changing specific muscles
to be the way we want them to be. And, without much testosterone, women
dont build much in the way of muscle mass. Models often work their tris
and avoid working bi's to keep a 'thin" arm with a noticable cut above
the triceps, for shape. Ever notice Goldie Hawn's beautiful arms? No
trace of bicep---well defined tris.
For sculpting, targeting specific muscles is everything.

Quoted message said:

"In short, there really isn't any need to
focus specifically on triceps for the
purpose of improving the look of the >back of the arms."

not unless you actually want to solve the flabby arm problem.

Roger actually raises a very cogent point, specifically, that spot
reduction rarely occurs. You can build the muscle, but unless the fat
goes away, it's just going to make the arm bigger. Goldie's arms (or
Angela Bassett's) for that matter have very low fat content, as do the
rest of their bodies.

I do think that isolation will build this faster than a compaoun
movement that doesn't really use the tripcep (ala pushups) and I think
if we are talking about a belly being in the way for pushups, dips are
probably going to be too much load (MMV though). But without the cardio
or diet, it's just going to be a muscular but flabby arm (currently
working on this problem myself).

Hollywood, who thinks diet, cardio, and triceps raises and french
presses will solve the problem over time.

JC Der Koenig said:

"Marsha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

One site I found on Google suggests pushaways from a wall for beginners
and then graduate to counter push-backs, then go on to real pushups. That
sounds like it might work until I get rid of some of this belly.

Quoted message said:

I was talking about doing pushaways from the table so you will eat less,
which is the only sure way of reducing arm flab.

Aw, that wasn't fair! Now that you mention it, I
have heard you say that before.

Marsha/Ohio

Roger Zoul said:

Push away from the table, dear.

Yeah, I get it now. That was embarrassing.

Marsha/Ohio

Max Hollywood Harris said:

Few Links for you here:

#1 - http://www.exrx.net/Muscles/TricepsBrachii.html
A little something about the area you are trying to work

#2 - http://www.exrx.net/Lists/ExList/ArmWt.html#anchor122387
A pretty comprehensive list of stuff you can do with various equipment
to work the area and animated pictures of some big muscly dude from the
seventies doing them. Also note the stretch for this.

#3 - http://www.exrx.net/WeightTraining/Myths.html#anchor7319578
Into each life, some rain must fall, and this is that rain on your
parade :_(
I believe you can firm up this area with your LT weightloss goals and
some exercise, but I don't think there is even a "hard workout magic
bullet" for you.

Last note: I do French Press and One Arm Triceps Extension as part of
my workout to work this group. Two really targeted exercises should
build it in a way that you want, if you do it assiduously.

Real last note: I think pushups, while good for you, are not a good
choice here, unless, as noted, you do them with a difficulty enhancing
modification (hands very close).

Thanks much to you and all the others who gave
good suggestions. I should clarify that I know
spot reducing isn't possible, but was looking for
something to work that area along with the rest of
my workout.

Marsha/Ohio

Lass Chance_2 <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> Right, Roger....if you hate your flabby arms, work your chest and
:> back. Maybe the arms will get a little, too, if only by accident.

tisk, tisk. Can you work your chest/back without using your arms? Most
movements for those muscle groups involve arms.

Obviously, you're never done any serious training.

flab = fat, not lack of muscle.

:>
:> Aerobics will burn fat, wherever it is.
:>
:> Targeting a specific muscle to tone it just simply works best. That's
:> why they call it, "body sculpting", Roger----changing specific
:> muscles to be the way we want them to be.

And what does that do for the fat - nothing. The problem is the wings, not
so much the muscles.

And, without much
:> testosterone, women dont build much in the way of muscle mass.

Which is why working on the fat makes the most sense.

:> Models often work their tris and avoid working bi's to keep a 'thin"
:> arm with a noticable cut above the triceps, for shape. Ever notice
:> Goldie Hawn's beautiful arms? No trace of bicep---well defined tris.

The tris are the bigger muscle group, so building them will make the arms
appear bigger.

:> For sculpting, targeting specific muscles is everything.

This is not about sculpting, it's about losing fat. Her tris and bis will
get plenty of work without any special effort.

:>
:> >"In short, there really isn't any need to
:> >focus specifically on triceps for the
:> >purpose of improving the look of the >back of the arms."
:>
:> not unless you actually want to solve the flabby arm problem.

You're simply stupid. Just go smoke another doobie.

:>
:> LassChance
:>
:> 5-16-05 202/182/162

Max Hollywood Harris said:

Lass Chance_2 said:

Right, Roger....if you hate your flabby arms, work your chest and back.
Maybe the arms will get a little, too, if only by accident.

Aerobics will burn fat, wherever it is.

Targeting a specific muscle to tone it just simply works best. That's
why they call it, "body sculpting", Roger----changing specific muscles
to be the way we want them to be. And, without much testosterone, women
dont build much in the way of muscle mass. Models often work their tris
and avoid working bi's to keep a 'thin" arm with a noticable cut above
the triceps, for shape. Ever notice Goldie Hawn's beautiful arms? No
trace of bicep---well defined tris.
For sculpting, targeting specific muscles is everything.

Quoted message said:

"In short, there really isn't any need to
focus specifically on triceps for the
purpose of improving the look of the >back of the arms."

not unless you actually want to solve the flabby arm problem.

Roger actually raises a very cogent point, specifically, that spot
reduction rarely occurs. You can build the muscle, but unless the fat
goes away, it's just going to make the arm bigger. Goldie's arms (or
Angela Bassett's) for that matter have very low fat content, as do the
rest of their bodies.

I do think that isolation will build this faster than a compaoun
movement that doesn't really use the tripcep (ala pushups) and I think
if we are talking about a belly being in the way for pushups, dips are
probably going to be too much load (MMV though). But without the cardio
or diet, it's just going to be a muscular but flabby arm (currently
working on this problem myself).

Some gyms have assisted dip machines. Or, one can do dips between twos
with the feet on the floor.. Or on some stairs...

Isolation movements are best left to the pros, who need to get every
little bit of gain possible. Normal folks don't really need them.
Isolation movements are good for rehab, though.

Quoted message said:

Hollywood, who thinks diet, cardio, and triceps raises and french
presses will solve the problem over time.

Have you ever been in shape?

At all?

Ever?

It's highly doubtful.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Max Hollywood Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Marsha said:

Someone posted a good arm flab exercise quite a
while ago. This is for the back part of the arm
between the elbow and shoulder. Can someone
refresh my memory? Thanks much.

Marsha/Ohio

Few Links for you here:

#1 - http://www.exrx.net/Muscles/TricepsBrachii.html
A little something about the area you are trying to work

#2 - http://www.exrx.net/Lists/ExList/ArmWt.html#anchor122387
A pretty comprehensive list of stuff you can do with various equipment
to work the area and animated pictures of some big muscly dude from the
seventies doing them. Also note the stretch for this.

#3 - http://www.exrx.net/WeightTraining/Myths.html#anchor7319578
Into each life, some rain must fall, and this is that rain on your
parade :_(
I believe you can firm up this area with your LT weightloss goals and
some exercise, but I don't think there is even a "hard workout magic
bullet" for you.

Last note: I do French Press and One Arm Triceps Extension as part of
my workout to work this group. Two really targeted exercises should
build it in a way that you want, if you do it assiduously.

Real last note: I think pushups, while good for you, are not a good
choice here, unless, as noted, you do them with a difficulty enhancing
modification (hands very close).

Hollywood

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'm NOT pigging out either!

Methinks she doth protest too much.

How do you employ your chest muscles without using your arms? Have you ever
done a pushup in your life?
No need to answer that, webtv idiot.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Lass Chance_2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I thought you wanted to tone the triceps? When you want to work on a
particular muscle, do an exercise that targets THAT muscle. You dont
need to employ the other muscles of the chest and back to tone the
triceps.

Another reality disconnect, Hollywood style.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Max Hollywood Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hollywood, who thinks diet, cardio, and triceps raises and french
presses will solve the problem over time.

"Marsha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

JC Der Koenig said:

"Marsha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

One site I found on Google suggests pushaways from a wall for beginners
and then graduate to counter push-backs, then go on to real pushups.
That sounds like it might work until I get rid of some of this belly.

Quoted message said:

I was talking about doing pushaways from the table so you will eat less,
which is the only sure way of reducing arm flab.

Aw, that wasn't fair! Now that you mention it, I have heard you say that
before.

Fair's got nothing to do with it.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Roger Zoul said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
:: In article <[email hidden]>,
::
:: Thanks! ;-)
:: I'm still paying for Teus. workout with a good case of upper back
:: DOMS,
:: but it hurts so good if you know what I mean? <lol>

I know exactly what you mean because that's were I get sore too. I like
that pain...

:-D

Quoted message said:

::
:: I'm _trying_ to increase that particular lift by 5 lbs. per week.
::

Be careful with that. Gains come when they come, not on a schedule.

True... but 10 years ago before I quit lifting, I could do 210,
but that was after 3 years of hard work. I'll see how it goes and
not push it. I know how critical "form" is on DL's or you can really
hurt your back!

Quoted message said:

:: My bench press still sux but I'm considering doing those on the Smith
:: rack so I can safely increase the weight without having to have a
:: spotter.

I hate the Smith machine. I get all kinds of shoulder pain if I even look
in the direction of that machine. Be careful.

It restricts range of motion so I don't particularly like it either,
it's just that with no spotter, it's harder to push myself to full
failure. :-P
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

JC Der Koenig said:

Have you ever been in shape?

Yes

Quoted message said:

At all?

Yes

Quoted message said:

Ever?

For the majority of my life

Quoted message said:

It's highly doubtful.

Why do you say that? Is it some reflex? Because I don't think pushups
are a good choice for the reduction/enhancement that she's looking for?
Because my readings, studies and experience suggest something other
than the Der Komisar way?

Why do I feel compelled to answer? I don't know, but I think I'll stop
with this one. Your suggestion of pushaways was so useful as to be
borderline developmentally challenged for a 14 year old. I'm done. Soon
as I finish my move, you're kill filed. (and I don't even kill file
Chung).

Max