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nget (Mark) posted from cyclingforums.com (which fouls up the
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Sunset Lowracer TMFanatic said:

What is the

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matter with you anyway? Were you born in a barn?

Christians believe that their Messiah was born in a barn.

It is correct to say that Christians believe that the Messiah was born
in a Manger,wrapped in swaddling clothes.[1]

The "[1]" also needs to go with the footnote.

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It was also reported that an Angel told the shepards nearby that the
good tidings of great joy would be to all the people.So you can see
that saying their Massiah is a little narrow.

Christianity is the ONLY religion that considers Jesus of Nazareth to
be the Messiah, and as far as I know Islam is the only other religion
that considers Jesus to be a prophet whose words were divinely
inspired. In the context of referring to people's BELIEFS, my statement
that Jesus is the Christian Messiah is correct.

As to which religion is correct, that I will not discuss since all the
religions depend on faith and not physical evidence [1], so the thread
would become longer than all h*lm*t, lighting system, tire valve type,
bicycle rider position, taper greasing, g*n c*ntr*l, invasion of *r*q,
upright versus recumbent climbing, highracer versus lowracer
performance, identity of "Johnny NoCom", etc. threads combined with no
resolution.

[1] There are plenty of these arguments out there, some by noted
philosophers, and the arguments on all sides fail to convince due to
the lack of evidence.

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
""Great Ford!
yawl smelling your clivus? pew!
a unique event
or transient actionable intelligence?
unclog!" - G. Daniels

Christianity is the ONLY religion that considers Jesus of Nazareth to
be the Messiah, and as far as I know Islam is the only other religion
that considers Jesus to be a prophet whose words were divinely
inspired. In the context of referring to people's BELIEFS, my statement
that Jesus is the Christian Messiah is correct.

As to which religion is correct, that I will not discuss since all the
religions depend on faith and not physical evidence [1], so the thread
would become longer than all h*lm*t, lighting system, tire valve type,
bicycle rider position, taper greasing, g*n c*ntr*l, invasion of *r*q,
upright versus recumbent climbing, highracer versus lowracer
performance, identity of "Johnny NoCom", etc. threads combined with no
resolution.

[1] There are plenty of these arguments out there, some by noted
philosophers, and the arguments on all sides fail to convince due to
the lack of evidence.

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
""Great Ford!
yawl smelling your clivus? pew!
a unique event
or transient actionable intelligence?
unclog!" - G. Daniels[/QUOTE]
Where does it say that Jesus was born in a barn? Scripture says "You will find the infant wrapped in swaddling clothes, and laid in a manger."
If indeed you are smart enough to know that faith is required then why do you need evidence?
I indeed will believe in a living God and you can put your trust in some guy from Chigago who sits on his carbon throne with his many sock puppets to entertain himself along with his side kick "Johnny numb-nuts"

nget (Mark ?) used the stupid cyclingforums.com Usenet interface to
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Where does it say that Jesus was born in a barn? Scripture says "You
will find the infant wrapped in swaddling clothes, and laid in a manger."

This subject is controversial, as there is no consistent agreement
among theologians that Jesus was even born in Bethlehem. However, the
belief (even if incorrect) that Jesus was born in an environment that
included livestock is the prevalent one among many Christians.

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If indeed you are smart enough to know that faith is required then why
do you need evidence?

I was discussing PROOF (which should be evident to anyone with normal
reading comprehension). Proof requires evidence (duh).

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I indeed will believe in a living God...

"GOD" of Worthington, Minnesota?

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and you can put your trust in some guy from Chigago who sits on his carbon throne...

That should be "carbon fiber reinforced polymer composite" throne.
Besides, on a Velokraft NoCom, one is more lying down than sitting. See
example:
<http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/racing2005/morris/mike/alainariail.jpg>.

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
Hominid - The Other White Meat!

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Where does it say that Jesus was born in a barn? Scripture says "You
will find the infant wrapped in swaddling clothes, and laid in a manger."

This subject is controversial, as there is no consistent agreement
among theologians that Jesus was even born in Bethlehem. However, the
belief (even if incorrect) that Jesus was born in an environment that
included livestock is the prevalent one among many Christians.

So glad that you are giving up the "born in a barn theory."

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If indeed you are smart enough to know that faith is required then why
do you need evidence?

I was discussing PROOF (which should be evident to anyone with normal
reading comprehension). Proof requires evidence (duh).

You were discussing religion. Why do you need proof when faith is what is required?
Saving one lost soul at a time,
Mark

"Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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nget (Mark ?) used the stupid cyclingforums.com Usenet interface to
post a message that does not delineated the quoted text as such and
ignores the signature separator:

I have decided not to perform the signature operation other than to just
sign my name. It seems my lowly OE newsreader performs all Usenet functions
as they should be performed. Posting directly via the Google website is a
lot more work and I will only do it when my OE is messed up, which
occasionally happens.
[...]

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I indeed will believe in a living God...

"GOD" of Worthington, Minnesota?

One of my finer moments. Be thankful I have given up the vino and will no
longer castigate this group as a GOD! Instead I will castigate it as a mere
mortal who goes by the name of Ed Dolan.

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and you can put your trust in some guy from Chigago who sits on his
carbon throne...

Nget has hit the nail squarely on the head. Mr. Sherman is a nitwit and a
knucklehead to sit by and allow his buddy to ruin this newsgroup with his
sock puppets, his false names and false addresses and, most importantly, his
forged names and forged addresses. This group can take vileness and
obscenity, but no group can take criminality.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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Just zis Guy said:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 05:38:06 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>
said in <[email hidden]>:

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There is no idiom in the world that approves of dirty talking about the
excretory and sexual functions, at least not in polite society. What is
the matter with you anyway? Were you born in a barn?

Once again you reveal the depth of your ignorance. Old fart is a
_very_ common British idomatic usage, and often used in polite
society.

I refuse to believe that!

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To say nothing of M. Pujol aka Le Petomane, the toast of Paris society in
his day for being an extremely accomplished farter. At his peak he earned
twice the income of the famous actress Sarah Bernhardt for his farting
shows which were attended by royalty and Paris society.

There was an American movie out a few years back, something called "The
Nutty Professor" I believe, where all these people were farting in a scene
at the dinner table. My 10 year old nephew thought it was hilarious and it
quickly became his favorite movie of all time. I see we have 10 year old
mentalities here on ARBR also.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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--
Tony

"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
- Lord Hailsham

Edward Dolan said:

There was an American movie out a few years back, something called "The
Nutty Professor" I believe, where all these people were farting in a scene
at the dinner table. My 10 year old nephew thought it was hilarious and it
quickly became his favorite movie of all time. I see we have 10 year old
mentalities here on ARBR also.

Big of you to admit to a 10yr old mentality Ed ;-)

Remember the camp fire scene in Blazing Saddles? I don't recall anyone
saying Mel Brookes was a ten year old and the film was nominated for
three Oscars.

--
Tony

"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
- Lord Hailsham

On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:35:11 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

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Just zis Guy said:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 05:38:06 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>
said in <[email hidden]>:

> There is no idiom in the world that approves of dirty talking about the
> excretory and sexual functions, at least not in polite society. What is
> the matter with you anyway? Were you born in a barn?

Once again you reveal the depth of your ignorance. Old fart is a
_very_ common British idomatic usage, and often used in polite
society.

I refuse to believe that!

You choose to remain ignorant. Tony is correct.

jim

On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:35:11 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

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Just zis Guy said:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 05:38:06 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>
said in <[email hidden]>:

> There is no idiom in the world that approves of dirty talking about the
> excretory and sexual functions, at least not in polite society. What is
> the matter with you anyway? Were you born in a barn?

Once again you reveal the depth of your ignorance. Old fart is a
_very_ common British idomatic usage, and often used in polite
society.

I refuse to believe that!

Whoops, make that just zis guy.

jim

ensenadajim said:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:35:11 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 05:38:06 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>
> said in <[email hidden]>:
>
>> There is no idiom in the world that approves of dirty talking about the
>> excretory and sexual functions, at least not in polite society. What is
>> the matter with you anyway? Were you born in a barn?
> Once again you reveal the depth of your ignorance. Old fart is a
> _very_ common British idomatic usage, and often used in polite
> society.

I refuse to believe that!

Whoops, make that just zis guy.

Indeed he is. From the Oxford English Dictionary, the standard
reference work on the (British) English vocabulary:

"old fart slang, a contemptible or tiresome person, esp. one who is
old-fashioned, stuffy, or close-minded"

--
Tony

"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
- Lord Hailsham

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Edward Dolan said:

There was an American movie out a few years back, something called "The
Nutty Professor" I believe, where all these people were farting in a
scene at the dinner table. My 10 year old nephew thought it was hilarious
and it quickly became his favorite movie of all time. I see we have 10
year old mentalities here on ARBR also.

Big of you to admit to a 10yr old mentality Ed ;-)

Remember the camp fire scene in Blazing Saddles? I don't recall anyone
saying Mel Brookes was a ten year old and the film was nominated for three
Oscars.

It is undeniable that the 10 year old likes this kind of humor the best. It
comes from their babyhood and they are not far enough removed from that
period to know any better. What is your excuse?

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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ensenadajim said:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:35:11 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

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"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 05:38:06 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>
>> said in <[email hidden]>:
>>
>>> There is no idiom in the world that approves of dirty talking about
>>> the excretory and sexual functions, at least not in polite society.
>>> What is the matter with you anyway? Were you born in a barn?
>> Once again you reveal the depth of your ignorance. Old fart is a
>> _very_ common British idomatic usage, and often used in polite
>> society.
I refuse to believe that!

Whoops, make that just zis guy.

Indeed he is. From the Oxford English Dictionary, the standard reference
work on the (British) English vocabulary:

"old fart slang, a contemptible or tiresome person, esp. one who is
old-fashioned, stuffy, or close-minded"

I continue to refuse to believe that this is an acceptable word in polite
company. We here on ARBR are in the public eye and can therefore be
considered polite society - even though many here are little better than
swine. I do note that even your dictionary definition considers it slang.

The OED is the greatest dictionary of all time, but it runs to many volumes
and so will not be found in many homes. Even public libraries do not like to
have it as it takes up so much space. I think you will only find it in
college and university libraries these days.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

...
The OED is the greatest dictionary of all time, but it runs to many volumes
and so will not be found in many homes. Even public libraries do not like to
have it as it takes up so much space. I think you will only find it in
college and university libraries these days.

The small print version of the OED (magnifying glass included) only
takes up 8 or so linear inches of shelf space.

Of course, the OED is now available on a small, disc shaped
polycarbonate/aluminium/laquer sandwich that can be read by most
computers sold in the last one-half (1/2) decade.

One can also subscribe to the OED online
<http://www.oed.com/subscribe/>.
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

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Edward Dolan said:

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The OED is the greatest dictionary of all time, but it runs to many
volumes
and so will not be found in many homes. Even public libraries do not like
to
have it as it takes up so much space. I think you will only find it in
college and university libraries these days.

The small print version of the OED (magnifying glass included) only
takes up 8 or so linear inches of shelf space.

Of course, the OED is now available on a small, disc shaped
polycarbonate/aluminium/laquer sandwich that can be read by most
computers sold in the last one-half (1/2) decade.

One can also subscribe to the OED online
<http://www.oed.com/subscribe/>.

Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

The thought occurred to me that the OED might be available on disc. I
wouldn't mind having this, but I bet it costs a fortune.

The truth about the OED is that it is strictly a scholar's dictionary and it
is over kill for the general public. But when you want to know the history
of a word, there is no substitute for it. I could read about "pass" and
"past" and most likely never confuse those two words again.

Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

...
The thought occurred to me that the OED might be available on disc. I
wouldn't mind having this, but I bet it costs a fortune.

$295 US [1], or about one-quarter (1/4) the price of a new RANS Rocket
[2].

[1] <http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/?view=usa&ci=0195222172>.
[2] <http://www.ransbikes.com/Rocket.htm#>.
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:35:00 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
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It will always pay to read what I have to say about any subject under the
sun as I have a natural knack for saying interesting things in an
interesting way - unlike most everyone else here on ARBR.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

I see you are still practicing satire in your posts.

Just wanted to thank you for what, so far, seems to be an effort at
controling the nature of your posting here. The civility is valued, at
least from this direction. Now if you can manage to refrain from
insulting particular individuals who hold divergent views on off topic
items I will be troolee impressed.

Such graciousness should never be past over.

Indiana Mike

Edward Dolan said:

I continue to refuse to believe that this is an acceptable word in polite
company. We here on ARBR are in the public eye and can therefore be
considered polite society - even though many here are little better than
swine. I do note that even your dictionary definition considers it slang.

Perhaps you should tell the BBC that:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/742827.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1999/08/99/edinburgh_festival_99/430046.stm

or The Times:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1616710,00.html

to pull down a few quick examples

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The OED is the greatest dictionary of all time, but it runs to many volumes
and so will not be found in many homes. Even public libraries do not like to
have it as it takes up so much space. I think you will only find it in
college and university libraries these days.

You clearly don't get out much in Minnesota.

The OED is indeed arguably the greatest dictionary and it is available
on-line for a subscription at www.oed.com. Failing that it comes in the
full 20 volume version down to the Concise OED and even pocket versions
that many homes in the UK will have on their shelves. A simple entry of
Oxford English Dictionary into Amazon.com will reveal all.

--
Tony

"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
- Lord Hailsham

Sunset Lowracer TM Fanatic said:

Edward Dolan said:

...
The thought occurred to me that the OED might be available on disc. I
wouldn't mind having this, but I bet it costs a fortune.

$295 US [1], or about one-quarter (1/4) the price of a new RANS Rocket

Or $20 for the Concise Oxford English Dictionary, which is the everyday
version most people use, from Amazon.

--
Tony

"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
- Lord Hailsham

In article <[email hidden]>, Edward Dolan

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ALL TOP POSTER ARE IDIOTS!

"Michael Baugh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Well, I can appreciate a good and proper troll saying something
like Outlook Express being a proper newsreader. That's an
excellent bit of trolldom, and I just wanted to let you know
how appreciated it was. Your praise of a newsreader with so
many huge security holes was quite amusing..

Only criminals need security. I suppose you don't use Internet Explorer
either? Maybe you worry so much about security that you only use the Mac or
Linux operating system on your computer?

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Now, I realize that your 'bottom posting' crusade is a
similarly contrived bit of trollhoodism. Someone obviously as
articulate as yourself knows that most bottom-posted comments
get ignored unless the person is really interested in trying
to find the corn in the [censored], but I think it's really neat
that you're willing to try to make the case for such an
outmoded bit of 'netiquet'.

Arguments have been made ad infinitum for bottom posting as opposed to top
posting. You are incurably ignorant - and in general a scofflaw to boot.

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Hey, just wanted to let you know I think you're doing a
great job, and I look forward to your posts. Don't read
several of them, but I know you're still in there.

It will always pay to read what I have to say about any subject under the
sun as I have a natural knack for saying interesting things in an
interesting way - unlike most everyone else here on ARBR.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

What ed dolan knows about computing you could fit into a thimble. He
still uses Internet Exploder for cripes sake. The rest of his post is
the usual jibber.

Edward Dolan said:

It is undeniable that the 10 year old likes this kind of humor the best.

Au contraire, it is deniable. M. Petomane played to adult audiences in
Paris; Blazing Saddles was IIRC "R" rated in the US of A so clearly
aimed at an older age group than ten year olds. I can't vouch for the
mental age of the Hollywood folks that nominated it for three Oscars though.

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It
comes from their babyhood and they are not far enough removed from that
period to know any better. What is your excuse?

I try to remain young at heart and not become a boring old fart. YMMV

--
Tony

"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
- Lord Hailsham