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a&b <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
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Heavens to Betsy! Someone is keeping track of all this folderol that goes on here.
I see that Mr. Tom Sherman is our most prolific poster. Oddly enough he does not initiate hardly any
posts. Like me he is a responder. It is interesting to note how many of the most popular threads
turn out to be OT. Hmmm....I think maybe I have had something to do with that. The number one
subject thread (having the most posts) was one labeled "funny" which I don't recall at all. It just
goes to show how selective we are when it comes to what interests us. I also note that ARBR does not
get involved with many other newsgroups, which is a good thing in my opinion. Most cross posting
turns out to be a mess.Ed Dolan - Minnesota
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Edward Dolan said:
... The number one subject thread (having the most posts) was one labeled "funny" which I don't
recall at all....Hint: only the very first posting to the thread was titled "funny. Second hint: you contributed over
200 postings to that thread.Tom Sherman
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Tom Sherman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
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Edward Dolan said:
... The number one subject thread (having the most posts) was one labeled "funny" which I don't
recall at all....Hint: only the very first posting to the thread was titled "funny. Second hint: you contributed
over 200 postings to that thread.Tom Sherman
Ye Gods! Yes, I more than recall the thread "OT and flammable" and I never want to revisit it again
so long as I shall live. It is somewhat of a mystery to me why it should have retained it's original
subject label of "funny" when it was changed. It seems it should have been listed as "OT and
flammable". But the ways of Google will always remain a mystery to me I guess. In any event, may
that thread rest in eternal peace.Ed Dolan - Minnesota
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: tinyurl.commhryOpen ↗ bill gDoes it have any statistics on bent categories so we can settle the eternal questions once and for
all: LWB and SWB, tadpole and delta, USS and OSS, lowracer or highracer...It's not loading here... :-.
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a&b <[email hidden]> wrote:
: tinyurl.commhryOpen ↗ bill gDoes it have any statistics on bent categories so we can settle the eternal questions once and for
all: LWB and SWB, tadpole and delta, USS and OSS, lowracer or highracer...It's not loading here... :-.
Maybe I can save you some time - the arbr clear favorites are SWB, OSS, and Tadpole Trike, with
highracers pushing lowracers aside in popularity. Anyone disagree with this?As for me I always seem to swim against the tide - LWB, USS, and Delta are my preferences. I have
almost no interest in low racers or high racers because high BB's are instant numb toes for me. -
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Maybe I can save you some time - the arbr clear favorites are SWB, OSS, and Tadpole Trike, with
highracers pushing lowracers aside in popularity. Anyone disagree with this?...I suspect that certain bikes are mentioned far more frequently than their actual representation in
ownership by a.r.b.r. contributors; e.g. Earth Cycles Sunset. 😉Tom Sherman - Near the confluence of the Mississippi and Rock Rivers
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a&b <[email hidden]> wrote:
: tinyurl.commhryOpen ↗ bill gDoes it have any statistics on bent categories so we can settle the eternal questions once and
for all: LB and SB, tadpole and delta, USS and OAS, lowracer or highracer...It's not loading here... :-.
Maybe I can save you some time - the arbr clear favorites are SWB, OSS, and Tadpole Trike, with
highracers pushing lowracers aside in popularity. Anyone disagree with this?As for me I always seem to swim against the tide - LWB, USS, and Delta are my preferences. I have
almost no interest in low racers or high racers because high BB's are instant numb toes for me.Skip, I am with you. I too have no interest in high racers and low racers because of the numb feet
syndrome. I also very much prefer LWB to SWB and I also prefer deltas to tadpoles. My only point of
departure with you is that I do prefer OSS to USS. My very first recumbent was the Infinity, a LWB
with USS. I still like the looks of it but the USS was always a slight problem for me. I even had to
convert my Vision R40 to LWB with OSS. After riding for many years my Tour Easy clone, I finally got
the RANS V2 which gave me a higher BB. I do not get numb feet with it but I suspect if the BB was
any higher that I would. One has to know where to stop with that BB height.Ed Dolan - Minnesota
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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Skip, I am with you. I too have no interest in high racers and low racers because of the numb feet
syndrome. I also very much prefer LWB to SWB and I also prefer deltas to tadpoles. My only point
of departure with you is that I do prefer OSS to USS. My very first recumbent was the Infinity, a
LWB with USS. I still like the looks of it but the USS was always a slight problem for me. I even
had to convert my Vision R40 to LWB with OSS. After riding for many years my Tour Easy clone, I
finally got the RANS V2 which gave me a higher BB. I do not get numb feet with it but I suspect if
the BB was any higher that I would. One has to know where to stop with that BB height.Ed Dolan - Minnesota
I have a low racer and I've yet had numb feet, you sure its not the shoes?
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Skip, I am with you. I too have no interest in high racers and low racers because of the numb
feet syndrome. I also very much prefer LWB to SWB and I also prefer deltas to tadpoles. My only
point of departure with you is that I do prefer OSS to USS. My very first recumbent was the
Infinity, a LWB with USS. I still like the looks of it but the USS was always a slight problem
for me. I even had to convert my Vision R40 to LWB with OSS. After riding for many years my Tour
Easy clone, I finally got the RANS V2 which gave me a higher BB. I do not get numb feet with it
but I suspect if the BB was any higher that I would. One has to know where to stop with that BB
height.Ed Dolan - Minnesota
I have a low racer and I've yet had numb feet, you sure its not the shoes?
No, it is definitely the height of the BB that is the cause. I know that those of you who do not
have this problem find it hard to believe. I would too if I hadn't had to learn it the hard way.The main reason I am responding is because for some reason this subject thread took off on it's own
due to the ARBR acquiring a space between the R and the B in the subject line. I have restored it
(the subject line to ARBR, not AR BR) and so I am curious as to how this message will appear in the
Google line up. How it got separated in the first place is a mystery to me, unless it was my spell
check operating overtime. I think it will actually want to correct the spelling in the subject line
as well as the body of the message. The moral of the story is that even with the spell check you
have got to use your own brain or else you are going to get things wrong.Ed Dolan - Minnesota
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"Mark Leuck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iEc7b.397708$Ho3.60819@sccrnsc03...
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I have a low racer and I've yet had numb feet, you sure its not the shoes?
It's not the shoes. I've tried multiple shoes. If you google arbr numb toes I've tried every one of
those suggestions, even the silly ones. Selling the bike was the only thing that worked.skip
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Edward Dolan <[email hidden]> wrote:
: No, it is definitely the height of the BB that is the cause. I know that those of you who do not
: have this problem find it hard to believe. I would too if I hadn't had to learn it the hard way.Sounds plausible. I usually don't get the numb feet problem; when I do, I'm on a trike with a low
bottom bracket. We'll see how going from SPD to Look changes this.--
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a&b <[email hidden]> wrote:
: tinyurl.commhryOpen ↗ bill gLoads fine on the second time, must be MS bugging again ;p
PS. Anybody scared by how "high" they rank in the stats? (Hmm I really should put more time into
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Cool! I made it into the top 40, #33. Apparently though, I don't pound the keyboard as much as I
feared... Does this also track my OLD e-mail addresses?rorschandt
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rorschandt <[email hidden]> wrote:
: Does this also track my OLD e-mail addresses?
Of course, but under a different identity.
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Ed, I agree with you on the shoe issue. I had been using some Carnic(Sp?) road shoes that WERE ULTRA
TIGHT! (Why I chose to buy them that TIGHT fitting is... well I got a good price on them... ;-) On
my Vision R-40 and R-45, P-38 and M5 low racer, I immediately experienced numb foot syndrome (After
only a few miles of riding) and limped back to a lower BB, LWB Easy Racer bike(s). I just concluded
a SWB was never going to be right for me. Anyway, I got fed up with the TIGHT shoes and blood clots
in my large toenail and moved on to some larger, wider SIDI shoes. My feet were very happy at then
end of a ride and the blood build up under my big toe has gone away. THEN I tried the Bacchetta
bikes and fell in LOVE with the Aero (It's that Ti thing...) BUT feared the return of the numb foot
issue, due to the HIGH BB the Aero has. I'm HAPPY to report that after some fairly long rides 50+
milers, I have NO NUMB feet or toes to report. For me, it was clearly the shoe thing! EZ Biker :-)
Pompano Beach, Fl. (Aero & GRR Ti Pilot)"Mark Leuck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iEc7b.397708$Ho3.60819@sccrnsc03...
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I have a low racer and I've yet had numb feet, you sure its not the shoes?
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When it comes to bentriders I don't find much of anything "Hard to believe"! Some will have a numb
foot problem with a higher BB some won't. When you try all the cures offered on the NG and you still
have a problem I guess a high BB is not for you. What I dislike about this discussion is the
inference that if you buy a high BB bike you are more likely to have a numbness problem than not.
IMO this is [censored]. EZ...How is yo' AERO? Rode mine in a hilly hundred Sunday and a fit guy on a
CalFree upright kept looking back at me on the climbs and was somewhat frustrated that he was not
dropping me. I was quite sore at the end due to a lack of hill training due to the weather and less
than halm my normal overall mileage for the year so far....Yea I know excuses, excuses, excuses.....
After the bike show next month wife wants to plan a camping trip to FL in January...Hope to see you.Ed Dolan...I was in Minnesota twice last month. Rode in Detroit Lakes and Brainerd area.
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Inc 1-800-586-6645 "EZ Biker :-)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ed, I agree with you on the shoe issue. I had been using some Carnic(Sp?) road shoes that WERE
ULTRA TIGHT! (Why I chose to buy them that TIGHT fitting is... well I got a good price on them...
;-) On my Vision R-40
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R-45, P-38 and M5 low racer, I immediately experienced numb foot syndrome (After only a few miles
of riding) and limped back to a lower BB, LWB Easy Racer bike(s). I just concluded a SWB was never
going to be right for me. Anyway, I got fed up with the TIGHT shoes and blood clots in my large
toenail and moved on to some larger, wider SIDI shoes. My feet were very happy at then end of a
ride and the blood build up under my big toe has
goneQuoted message said:
away. THEN I tried the Bacchetta bikes and fell in LOVE with the Aero
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that Ti thing...) BUT feared the return of the numb foot issue, due to the HIGH BB the Aero has.
I'm HAPPY to report that after some fairly long
ridesQuoted message said:
50+ milers, I have NO NUMB feet or toes to report. For me, it was clearly the shoe thing! EZ Biker
:-) Pompano Beach, Fl. (Aero & GRR Ti Pilot)"Mark Leuck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iEc7b.397708$Ho3.60819@sccrnsc03...
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Cool! I made it into the top 40, #33. Apparently though, I don't pound the keyboard as much as I
feared... Does this also track my OLD e-mail addresses?What a bunch of measly three digit (or less) posters on a.r.b.r.! 😉
Tom Sherman - Near the confluence of the Mississippi and Rock Rivers
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"Jude T. McGloin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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When it comes to bentriders I don't find much of anything "Hard to believe"! Some will have a numb
foot problem with a higher BB some won't. When you try all the cures offered on the NG and you
still have a problem I guess a high BB is not for you. What I dislike about this discussion is the
inference that if you buy a high BB bike you are more likely to have a numbness problem than not.
IMO this is [censored].No, it is not BS. There will be a certain percentage of folks who will experience numb feet if the
BB rises much above seat height. It is all because of our human physiology. If that BB gets high
enough, even you will experience numb feet. ......Quoted message said:
Ed Dolan...I was in Minnesota twice last month. Rode in Detroit Lakes and Brainerd area.
I hope you were able to do some cycling on the Paul Bunyan Trail and the Heartland Trail. I believe
Minnesota has just about the best bike trails of any state in the country. Unlike many bike trails
elsewhere, most of the Minnesota bike trails are asphalt. Some of them are starting to connect now
with one another. They can be a bit crowded on weekends but on week days they are mostly empty. The
Root River Trail system in the southeastern part of the state is becoming known far and wide and
attracts thousands of cyclists every summer weekend.Ed Dolan - Minnesota
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Ah.....have it your way my feet are numb and I can't ride it anymore. COS..... I don't ride trails
but loved the back roads around DL and Brainerd. However, I did ride the Sparta/Elroy Trail (WI) on
an upwrong. The tunnels were neat. Made me wish that in addition to the Aero that I brought the
BikeE AT also.--
Jude....///Bacchetta AERO St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland Wheel Doctor Cycle and Sports,
Inc 1-800-586-6645 "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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When it comes to bentriders I don't find much of anything "Hard to believe"! Some will have a
numb foot problem with a higher BB some
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guess a high BB is not for you. What I dislike about this discussion is the inference that if
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buy a high BB bike you are more likely to have a numbness problem than
not.Quoted message said:
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IMO this is [censored].
No, it is not BS. There will be a certain percentage of folks who will experience numb feet if the
BB rises much above seat height. It is all because of our human physiology. If that BB gets high
enough, even you will experience numb feet. ......Quoted message said:
Ed Dolan...I was in Minnesota twice last month. Rode in Detroit
LakesQuoted message said:
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and Brainerd area.
I hope you were able to do some cycling on the Paul Bunyan Trail and the Heartland Trail. I
believe Minnesota has just about the best bike trails of any state in the country. Unlike many
bike trails elsewhere, most of the Minnesota bike trails are asphalt. Some of them are starting to
connect now with one another. They can be a bit crowded on weekends but on week days they are
mostly empty. The Root River Trail system in the southeastern part of the state is becoming known
far and wide and attracts thousands of cyclists every summer weekend.Ed Dolan - Minnesota
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