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  1. "Puester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Tony Lew said:


    "Vox Humana" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    How could one know? The media in this country is
    single minded and domestically focused.

    Are you kidding? This is the same media that decided to
    stop showing footage of the attack on the WTC after the
    first few days so as not to inflame anti-Muslim feeling.
    I'm sure if there were a lot of condemnation of the
    terrorists among Muslims, the media wouldn't let you
    stop hearing about it.

    Huh? Do you mean the same footage we saw 10,000 times in
    the first week and so often thereafter that it is
    permanently burned into the retinas of most Americans? The
    footage that was used as a rationale to invade Iraq? What
    else would you have it continued to excuse?

    I question the premise of the argument. That is, even if you
    accept that the press stopped showing the footage, was it to
    quell anti-Islamic feelings?

  2. hahabogus said:

    Reg <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    You're thoroughly reinforcing my point, unintentionally
    no doubt.

    John Paul II made a state visit to Israel and apologized
    for the conduct you're referring to. In other words, the
    Catholic Church and it's institutions are capable of
    change, thay have shown at least some ability to reform.
    It's not that I'm any fan of the Catholic church. The
    point is you shouldn't expect the Vatican to be advocating
    terrorism anytime soon.

    Unlike Islamic leaders.

    And I wouldn't expect any reform movements from within
    Islam anytime soon given that they openly advocate
    murdering writers.

    Actually It shows the Pope can be embarassed. Did the
    church apologize for the witch hunts?

    Heh. And what kind of sauce will you be serving with your
    Red Herring?

    I don't care who apologizes for what. When people advocate
    murdering writers they disgrace themselves and their
    religion. Islamic leaders have that unique distinction.

    --
    Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot)
    com

  3. Vox Humana said:

    "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Vox Humana said:

    "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    > Paula Drennan wrote:
    >
    >> asalamualaikum, Thank you for your defense of Islam.
    >> Every day i go out I have to face the stares and
    >> cruel words of people who don't understand that
    >> muslims are not all like al-qaeda, we are not all
    >> hell bent on misusing the word of Allah to
    >> rationalize hatred.

    Quoted message said:

    > I would observe that there is little condemnation and
    > less action in the Islamic community against the
    > fundamentalists and their acts.

    Quoted message said:

    How could one know? The media in this country is
    single minded and domestically focused.

    This is simply a silly thing to say. Single-minded...?
    As though there's some sort of conspiracy to only
    present one unified vision across all media. I'm part of
    the media and I've never been told what to say or not
    say, what to write or not write.

    I didn't say it was a conspiracy. It just happens that all
    media covers


    the

    Quoted message said:

    same stories with about the same perspective. Limbaugh,
    Fox News, CNN,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    so on all cover the same stories. There are subtle
    difference, to be


    sure.

    Quoted message said:

    Mostly, news outlets report what the government tells
    them. There doesn't seem to be much questioning going on.
    I think that accounts for a lot of the similarities. Bush
    says he is a compassionate conservative. That's


    how

    Quoted message said:

    he is known in the media. Bush goes to the ranch and cuts
    brush. The


    media

    Quoted message said:

    reports that he is on "the ranch." It is never disclosed
    that the "ranch" is a luxury home without any livestock
    or crops. The administration is notorious for
    threatening loss of "access" for anyone who reports
    unflattering stories. So I believe that no one tells you
    what to report.


    I

    Quoted message said:

    also know that few reporters have the power to decide what
    to publish. While we were involved in two wars, one of
    which was prosecuted based on false allegations, virtually
    every media outlet spend endless hours on the Ben and
    JayLo story. Now all we hear is the Laci Peterson story.
    In my opinion there is something wrong with that picture.
    I would rather think


    it

    Quoted message said:

    was a conspiracy because the alternative is more grim. It
    means that the media is incompetent. Of course, conspiracy
    theorist could point to what happened to the Dixie Chick
    when they spoke out. One of the largest media outlets
    (radio, TV stations, billboards, transit advertising,
    concerts,


    show

    Quoted message said:

    prep service) yanked them from the play list. Then after
    Howard Stern started to criticize Bush, the same thing
    happed to him.

    But on the conservative side there is sometimes a shrill
    Doktor Laura Schlessinger who gets her just desserts. Her
    show's rating are declining (she's not even heard in major
    markets like NYC and Chicago), her teevee show was a flop,
    and her books are a flash in the pan...oh and there was that
    juicy contretemps a few years ago about those newdie lewdie
    pix that a former paramour distributed to the press ;-)

    And in Illinois the GOP candidate for US Senate had to drop
    out of the race

    such...in the vein of Newt and Henry Hyde The Humbug when
    they were going after Clinton a few years back....

    The praise - fest for Ronnie Reagan was pretty revolting,
    but much of it was done by older news media figures who were
    recalling their Glory Daze in the White House Press
    Pool...it's probably the last chance for many of them to
    parade around their inflated self - importance before they
    slide into sheer oblivion...I mean who is going to remember
    Sam Donaldson in ten years' time? Besides which the vulgar
    spectacle had been choreographed down to the last tear and
    wet hanky years ago. TV ratings for it were fairly low -
    surprisingly so. Most people have enough sense to watch an
    Esther Williams and Tom & Jerry musical or the most recent
    episode of _Law & Order_ if they want to be entertained.
    Heck, the hoopla about the last episode of _Friends_ dwarfed
    the Reagan funeral media circus in real life. Nobody had
    popcorn parties to watch Ronnie's funeral....

    People are just not real happy with Bush - even my
    Republican friends want him turned out of office. Most
    intelligent folks don't parrot what the media is saying
    about the "booming" economy and our "mission" in Iraq. They
    *do* know that it's hard to find a decent job and that gas
    and milk are expensive and that somebody they know (maybe
    even a loved one) has been away in Iraq attending to our
    little "police action" for far too long a time...or maybe
    even one of their loved ones has been killed or injured.

    Except for a zealous few, most folks don't consider Rush and
    the rest of the right - wing media zombies anything but
    entertainers....

    I wonder if Kerry will turn the tables on the repugs and
    utter that famous Reagan phrase, "Are you better off now
    than you were four years ago?" this fall? He *has* to be
    straining at the bit to say it....

    --
    Best Greg

  4. "Reg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    hahabogus said:

    Reg <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    You're thoroughly reinforcing my point, unintentionally
    no doubt.

    John Paul II made a state visit to Israel and apologized
    for the conduct you're referring to. In other words, the
    Catholic Church and it's institutions are capable of
    change, thay have shown at least some ability to reform.
    It's not that I'm any fan of the Catholic church. The
    point is you shouldn't expect the Vatican to be
    advocating terrorism anytime soon.

    Unlike Islamic leaders.

    And I wouldn't expect any reform movements from within
    Islam anytime soon given that they openly advocate
    murdering writers.

    Actually It shows the Pope can be embarassed. Did the
    church apologize


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the witch hunts?

    Heh. And what kind of sauce will you be serving with your
    Red Herring?

    I don't care who apologizes for what. When people advocate
    murdering writers they disgrace themselves and their
    religion. Islamic leaders have that unique distinction.

    I think that Bush has disgraced Christians.

  5. "Gregory Morrow" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Vox Humana said:

    "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Vox Humana wrote:

    > "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > "]news:[email hidden]...
    >
    >> Paula Drennan wrote:
    >>
    >>> asalamualaikum, Thank you for your defense of
    >>> Islam. Every day i go out I have to face the
    >>> stares and cruel words of people who don't
    >>> understand that muslims are not all like al-qaeda,
    >>> we are not all hell bent on misusing the word of
    >>> Allah to rationalize hatred.

    >> I would observe that there is little condemnation
    >> and less action in the Islamic community against
    >> the fundamentalists and their acts.

    > How could one know? The media in this country is
    > single minded and domestically focused.

    This is simply a silly thing to say. Single-minded...?
    As though there's some sort of conspiracy to only
    present one unified vision across all media. I'm part
    of the media and I've never been told what to say or
    not say, what to write or not write.

    I didn't say it was a conspiracy. It just happens that
    all media covers


    the

    Quoted message said:

    same stories with about the same perspective. Limbaugh,
    Fox News, CNN,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    so on all cover the same stories. There are subtle
    difference, to be


    sure.

    Quoted message said:

    Mostly, news outlets report what the government tells
    them. There


    doesn't

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    seem to be much questioning going on. I think that
    accounts for a lot


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the similarities. Bush says he is a compassionate
    conservative. That's


    how

    Quoted message said:

    he is known in the media. Bush goes to the ranch and
    cuts brush. The


    media

    Quoted message said:

    reports that he is on "the ranch." It is never disclosed
    that the


    "ranch"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is a luxury home without any livestock or crops. The
    administration is notorious for threatening loss of
    "access" for anyone who reports unflattering stories. So
    I believe that no one tells you what to


    report.

    Quoted message said:

    I

    Quoted message said:

    also know that few reporters have the power to decide
    what to publish. While we were involved in two wars, one
    of which was prosecuted based on false allegations,
    virtually every media outlet spend endless hours on


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Ben and JayLo story. Now all we hear is the Laci
    Peterson story. In my opinion there is something wrong
    with that picture. I would rather think


    it

    Quoted message said:

    was a conspiracy because the alternative is more grim.
    It means that


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    media is incompetent. Of course, conspiracy theorist
    could point to


    what

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    happened to the Dixie Chick when they spoke out. One of
    the largest


    media

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    outlets (radio, TV stations, billboards, transit
    advertising, concerts,


    show

    Quoted message said:

    prep service) yanked them from the play list. Then after
    Howard Stern started to criticize Bush, the same thing
    happed to him.

    But on the conservative side there is sometimes a shrill
    Doktor Laura Schlessinger who gets her just desserts. Her
    show's rating are declining (she's not even heard in major
    markets like NYC and Chicago), her teevee show was a flop,
    and her books are a flash in the pan...oh and there was
    that juicy contretemps a few years ago about those newdie
    lewdie pix that


    a

    Quoted message said:

    former paramour distributed to the press ;-)

    And in Illinois the GOP candidate for US Senate had to
    drop out of the


    race

    Quoted message said:

    such...in the vein of Newt and Henry Hyde The Humbug when
    they were going after Clinton a few years back....

    The praise - fest for Ronnie Reagan was pretty revolting,
    but much of it


    was

    Quoted message said:

    done by older news media figures who were recalling their
    Glory Daze in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    White House Press Pool...it's probably the last chance for
    many of them to parade around their inflated self -
    importance before they slide into


    sheer

    Quoted message said:

    oblivion...I mean who is going to remember Sam Donaldson
    in ten years'


    time?

    Quoted message said:

    Besides which the vulgar spectacle had been choreographed
    down to the last tear and wet hanky years ago. TV ratings
    for it were fairly low - surprisingly so. Most people have
    enough sense to watch an Esther


    Williams

    Quoted message said:

    and Tom & Jerry musical or the most recent episode of _Law
    & Order_ if


    they

    Quoted message said:

    want to be entertained. Heck, the hoopla about the last
    episode of _Friends_ dwarfed the Reagan funeral media
    circus in real life. Nobody


    had

    Quoted message said:

    popcorn parties to watch Ronnie's funeral....

    People are just not real happy with Bush - even my
    Republican friends want him turned out of office. Most
    intelligent folks don't parrot what the media is saying
    about the "booming" economy and our "mission" in Iraq.


    They

    Quoted message said:

    *do* know that it's hard to find a decent job and that gas
    and milk are expensive and that somebody they know (maybe
    even a loved one) has been


    away

    Quoted message said:

    in Iraq attending to our little "police action" for far
    too long a time...or maybe even one of their loved ones
    has been killed or injured.

    Except for a zealous few, most folks don't consider Rush
    and the rest of


    the

    Quoted message said:

    right - wing media zombies anything but entertainers....

    I wonder if Kerry will turn the tables on the repugs and
    utter that famous Reagan phrase, "Are you better off now
    than you were four years ago?" this fall? He *has* to be
    straining at the bit to say it....

    Agreed.

  6. Vox Humana said:

    I think that Bush has disgraced Christians.

    Agreed.

    ObFood: Inspired in part by your comments in another group,
    the monster cake I'm making this weekend will have rolled
    fondant icing.

    --
    Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot)
    com

  7. "Reg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Vox Humana said:

    I think that Bush has disgraced Christians.

    Agreed.

    ObFood: Inspired in part by your comments in another
    group, the monster cake I'm making this weekend will have
    rolled fondant icing.

    Is it a monster cake or a monster-shaped cake?

  8. Vox Humana said:

    Is it a monster cake or a monster-shaped cake?

    It's a reference to it's egregious size... 12 inch
    round layers.

    --
    Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot)
    com

  9. "Reg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Vox Humana said:

    Is it a monster cake or a monster-shaped cake?

    It's a reference to it's egregious size... 12 inch
    round layers.

    I think the perfect size cake is 10 inches. It is still easy
    to handle and bakes without much complication. Once you get
    up to 12 inches, things get more complex. Getting the
    fondant transferred to the cake without wrinkles or bubbles
    is much harder.

  10. Vox Humana said:

    I think the perfect size cake is 10 inches. It is still
    easy to handle and bakes without much complication. Once
    you get up to 12 inches, things get more complex. Getting
    the fondant transferred to the cake without wrinkles or
    bubbles is much harder.

    Exactly. The difficulty in decorating pretty much doubles
    with every inch in diameter. This should be fun.

    --
    Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot)
    com

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