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  1. "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Paula Drennan said:

    asalamualaikum, Thank you for your defense of Islam.
    Every day i go out


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    have to face the stares and cruel words of people who
    don't understand


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    muslims are not all like al-qaeda, we are not all hell
    bent on misusing


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    word of Allah to rationalize hatred.

    I would observe that there is little condemnation and less
    action in the Islamic community against the
    fundamentalists and their acts.

    The group that took down the World Trade Center met in
    mosques with clerics who obviously supported them. It's
    rather difficult looking in from the outside at Islam to
    accept that it's essentially a peaceful belief set when
    there can be a price put on a writer's head for publishing
    things clerics don't like, when there can be the idea of a
    holy war in which there are no innocents, when suicide is
    considered a rational course of action not to improve
    anything but to merely destroy, and when there are
    apparently so many eager to kill with more being trained
    each day. Perhaps they don't act and speak for the
    majority, but their actions go unremarked and unpunished
    within the community. The larger community gives tacit
    approval by inertia.

    With all the oil money in the Islamic nations, why are
    there still refugee camps? Why are there so few schools
    for the general populace?

    To be sure, many of the ideas in the Quran are different
    than the behavior of the extremists, but believers would
    seem to have an obligation to the belief to right these
    obvious wrongs. Timothy McVey was found, arrested,
    tried, jailed and executed for his part in the Oklahoma
    City bombing. Others are right behind him for their
    parts in the whole situation. I don't see that sort of
    activity in the Islamic nations. The Saudis are finally
    angry enough to make gestures against terrorists in the
    face of the stunning irony of their support of the
    groups all these years.

    The extremists have government support and shelter in too
    many countries. These are governments ostensibly
    established under Islamic law. They observe the laws of
    tooth and claw, not civilization. The further irony is
    that civilization as we know it began in the Tigris and
    Euphrates valleys, Iraq, and spread through the middle
    east to the rest of the western world. They have forgotten
    their roots and their central beliefs. Education and
    thinking have been the worst casualties in this centuries-
    long decline. Islam appears to be in eclipse except as a
    breeding ground for ignorance, destruction, and passivity
    against evil. Where are the builders? Where are the great
    thinkers? Where are the creators of a better world? Where
    are the visionaries?

    Pastorio

    I'm sure the visionaries and such exist, but that isn't
    NEWS. The media is probably to blame for that. It just
    doesn't seem feasible to have groups that have no other
    agenda than to kill Americans and their supporters-no other
    agenda like civilization, economy, peace amongst themselves-
    be it government based on religion, democracy, socialism,
    whatever. It seems they don't wish to govern themselves.

    Sometimes I wonder if the Chinese had the best idea; build a
    wall surrounding the country and shut everyone else out.

  2. "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Paula Drennan said:

    asalamualaikum, Thank you for your defense of Islam.
    Every day i go out


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    have to face the stares and cruel words of people who
    don't understand


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    muslims are not all like al-qaeda, we are not all hell
    bent on misusing


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    word of Allah to rationalize hatred.

    I would observe that there is little condemnation and less
    action in the Islamic community against the
    fundamentalists and their acts.

    How could one know? The media in this country is single
    minded and domestically focused. We don't even get a
    balanced view of what people think in this country let alone
    what people are doing in other countries. By the same token,
    I don't see any action and little comment in churches in
    this country when some Christian fundamentalist kills an
    abortion clinic worker or blows up a building. Where's the
    Pope when that happen? In fact, our resident Christian
    fundamentalists, Pat Roberson and Jerry Fallwell use the
    9/11 tragedy to demonize the ACLU, feminists, gays, and
    abortion providers. This is no different than what you are
    condemning, in my opinion.

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Steve Wertz said:
    Katra said:

    And he does not know how to spell "Muslim".....

    Though I doubt he knows this, Moslem is an acceptable,
    although archaic spelling. Only about 6% of people spell
    it that way anymore.

    Ok, you win. :-)

    Quoted message said:


    <googlefight.comcgi
    bin/compare.pl?q1=moslem&q2=muslim&B1=Make+a+f
    ight%21&compare=1&langue=us>

    What do you expect from an ignorant POS?

    PITA.

    Quoted message said:


    ObFood: Homemade potato/cheddar/cottage/cabbage/onion
    perogis tonight - fried in butter and onions. And
    kid/green chili stew.

    -sw

    I took dad to Buffet Palace for lunch today. It was PACKED
    so the food was all really fresh! :-)

    He loves that place.

    K.

    --
    Sprout the Mung Bean to reply...

    Quoted message said:

    ,,<Cat's Haven Hobby Farm>,,<Katraatcenturyteldotnet>,,<

    cgi6.ebay.comeBayISAPI.dll
    &include=0&userid=katra

  4. "Kswck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Sometimes I wonder if the Chinese had the best idea; build
    a wall surrounding the country and shut everyone else out.

    I didn't know that Pat Buchannan was Chinese!

  5. Vox Humana said:

    "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Paula Drennan said:

    asalamualaikum, Thank you for your defense of Islam.
    Every day i go out

    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    have to face the stares and cruel words of people who
    don't understand

    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    muslims are not all like al-qaeda, we are not all hell
    bent on misusing

    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    word of Allah to rationalize hatred.

    I would observe that there is little condemnation and less
    action in the Islamic community against the
    fundamentalists and their acts.

    How could one know? The media in this country is single
    minded and domestically focused. We don't even get a
    balanced view of what people think in this country let
    alone what people are doing in other countries. By the
    same token, I don't see any action and little comment in
    churches in this country when some Christian
    fundamentalist kills an abortion clinic worker or blows up
    a building. Where's the Pope when that happen? In fact,
    our resident Christian fundamentalists, Pat Roberson and
    Jerry Fallwell use the 9/11 tragedy to demonize the ACLU,
    feminists, gays, and abortion providers. This is no
    different than what you are condemning, in my opinion.

    Apparently it will require someone being burnt at the stake
    or boiled in oil in order to bring this thread on-topic.

  6. Vox Humana said:

    "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Paula Drennan said:

    asalamualaikum, Thank you for your defense of Islam.
    Every day i go out I have to face the stares and cruel
    words of people who don't understand that muslims are
    not all like al-qaeda, we are not all hell bent on
    misusing the word of Allah to rationalize hatred.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I would observe that there is little condemnation and
    less action in the Islamic community against the
    fundamentalists and their acts.

    Quoted message said:

    How could one know? The media in this country is single
    minded and domestically focused.

    This is simply a silly thing to say. Single-minded...? As
    though there's some sort of conspiracy to only present one
    unified vision across all media. I'm part of the media and
    I've never been told what to say or not say, what to write
    or not write. Media companies are all run by conservative,
    hard-assed business people. The country is decidedly
    conservative and all the whining about liberal media is pure
    [censored]. Those business people are giving the conservative
    public what they want. And a bit more.

    Limbaugh is media. Hannity is media. O'Reilly is media.
    Liddy is media. They haven't gleefully reported any such
    events. NPR hasn't reported any such events. Pacifica radio
    hasn't reported any such events. The networks haven't. CNN
    hasn't. Figaro hasn't. Stern hasn't. Al Jazeera hasn't. Even
    wackjob Michael Savage hasn't reported action in the Islamic
    community. The Christian Science Monitor hasn't. Paris Match
    hasn't. What media is single-minded? How could any
    significant events in the Islamic community condemning and
    taking steps against terrorists not be front-page news? It
    would be trumpeted.

    Have you missed the coverage of Iraq? Afghanistan?
    North Korea? Indonesia? The positions of the Europeans
    about our wars?

    Quoted message said:

    We don't even get a balanced view of what people think in
    this country let alone what people are doing in other
    countries.

    Puhleeze. *YOU* don't get a picture. Its out there if you
    want it. Nice vague statements so far about single-minded
    media and balance and whatever else. But the point has
    whizzed past you.

    Quoted message said:

    By the same token, I don't see any action and little
    comment in churches in this country when some Christian
    fundamentalist kills an abortion clinic worker or blows up
    a building.

    There's a single, overwhelming difference in our culture,
    and one I'm thankful for every day. Our government isn't run
    according to religious principles, so those criminals are
    pursued. As for what you don't see in churches, the next day
    in Oklahoma city there were dozens of religious groups
    offering counseling, and support to the afflicted. And if
    you don't think there were prayer vigils for the people, I
    don't know where you were then. At Ground Zero, I saw
    literally hundreds of people who were there with their
    religious organizations to try to make life easier for the
    needy, emotionally and economically. You want action? Look
    on the church signboards as you drive past. Better yet, go
    inside and see if there's anything you can do to help. The
    Salvation Army is at the scene of every disaster that ever
    happens with food, clothing and people to work hard.

    I don't know what church you attend, and it doesn't really
    matter. If you didn't hear anyone speaking out against the
    crimes at abortion clinics, you're in the wrong church. I
    live in the bible belt where abortion is generally deplored.
    But Eric Rudolph was the subject of a lot of airtime and
    general discussion around here. And it was virtually
    unanimous in strong condemnation.

    Quoted message said:

    Where's the Pope when that happen? In fact, our resident
    Christian fundamentalists, Pat Roberson and Jerry Fallwell
    use the 9/11 tragedy to demonize the ACLU, feminists,
    gays, and abortion providers. This is no different than
    what you are condemning, in my opinion.

    Of course it's different. The ranting of isolated quacks is
    hardly the tacit support of an entire culture. And, more to
    the point, even they don't cheer at the deaths of many. They
    don't create havens for the murderers. They don't marshall
    armies to do destruction. They don't collect money for
    havoc. They're all mouth with small support away from the
    goobers in their churches. I will agree that their views are
    just as nuts as any fundamentalist's. But they're solitary
    figures largely held in low esteem for their extremity, not
    one of many thousands of mullahs and imams who can create a
    Taliban or an Iran.

    Pastorio

  7. Katra said:

    I took dad to Buffet Palace for lunch today. It was PACKED
    so the food was all really fresh! :-)

    Buffet Palace is kick-ass. Weekend lunches are the same
    price as dinner, though. (The place behind it isn't bad
    either, the one with red doors underneath Castle Dental).

    What I don't like about BP Westgate is it[s what imagine
    eating in a prison cafeteria feels like - very institutional
    and loud and hell. The acoustics in that place suck.

    I don't know if I could handle meeting Bob-01, so it's a
    good thing I didn't see you ;-)

    -sw

  8. "Scotland Yard Department of Tire Mischief"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Vox Humana said:

    "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Paula Drennan wrote:

    >asalamualaikum, Thank you for your defense of Islam.
    >Every day i go


    out

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    I

    Quoted message said:

    >have to face the stares and cruel words of people who
    >don't understand

    that

    Quoted message said:

    >muslims are not all like al-qaeda, we are not all hell
    >bent on misusing

    the

    Quoted message said:

    >word of Allah to rationalize hatred.

    I would observe that there is little condemnation and
    less action in the Islamic community against the
    fundamentalists and their acts.

    How could one know? The media in this country is single
    minded and domestically focused. We don't even get a
    balanced view of what people think in this country let
    alone what people are doing in other


    countries.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    By the same token, I don't see any action and little
    comment in churches


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    this country when some Christian fundamentalist kills an
    abortion clinic worker or blows up a building. Where's
    the Pope when that happen? In


    fact,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    our resident Christian fundamentalists, Pat Roberson and
    Jerry Fallwell


    use

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the 9/11 tragedy to demonize the ACLU, feminists, gays,
    and abortion providers. This is no different than what
    you are condemning, in my


    opinion.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Apparently it will require someone being burnt at the
    stake or boiled in oil in order to bring this thread
    on-topic.

    Let it be Pat or Jerry then.

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Steve Wertz said:
    Katra said:

    I took dad to Buffet Palace for lunch today. It was
    PACKED so the food was all really fresh! :-)

    Buffet Palace is kick-ass. Weekend lunches are the same
    price as dinner, though. (The place behind it isn't bad
    either, the one with red doors underneath Castle Dental).

    I'll czech that out sometime. :-)

    Quoted message said:


    What I don't like about BP Westgate is it[s what imagine
    eating in a prison cafeteria feels like - very
    institutional and loud and hell. The acoustics in that
    place suck.

    Yeah, that was one of the first things I noticed, and I
    mentioned it to the management the first time I was there.
    They are aware of the problem and plan to fix it one of
    these days.

    Quoted message said:


    I don't know if I could handle meeting Bob-01, so it's a
    good thing I didn't see you ;-)

    <lol> You have too good of a memory. ;-) He does not post
    usenet often anymore.

    Thank goodness!

    K.

    Quoted message said:


    -sw

    --
    Sprout the Mung Bean to reply...

    Quoted message said:

    ,,<Cat's Haven Hobby Farm>,,<Katraatcenturyteldotnet>,,<

    cgi6.ebay.comeBayISAPI.dll
    &include=0&userid=katra

  10. Paul Satem said:

    It is very unfortunate that the whole Al Qaeda / Iraq
    crisis has turned up the heat in the Muslim vs non-Muslim
    situation.

    It's not just unfortunate.

    It is PRECISELY the goal of al Quaeda.

    They picked the perfect country to attack if they wanted a
    jingoistic, knee-jerk, self-righteous, bristling,
    antagonistic, stupid response on which to build their
    political fear-based recruiting campaign.

    --Blair "Stop voting for
    these idiots."

  11. Tony Lew said:

    [email hidden] (Paul Satem) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    It is very unfortunate that the whole Al Qaeda / Iraq
    crisis has turned up the heat in the Muslim vs non-Muslim
    situation.

    For the benefit of those that might not already know it
    ...

    There are several hundred million Muslims in this World.
    Only a fraction are fundamentalists ... and only a very
    small fraction of all fundamentalists are extremists ....
    and only a very small fraction of extremists are
    terrorists.

    Yeah, all the condemnation of the "very small fraction" by
    the remaining (presumably very large) fraction is really
    deafening, isn't it?

    I was particularly impressed with the moral outcry when one
    of their clerics, who also happened to run a country BTW,
    declared a death sentence against an author who wrote a book
    he disagreed with. The silence was deafening. I guess that's
    normal behavior in the Muslim world.

    To put it in perspective, can you imagine the Pope declaring
    it the duty of all catholics to murder an author?

    Islam is not "just like any other religion", I'm sorry. They
    have a PR problem for good reason.

    --
    Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot)
    com

  12. Reg <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    To put it in perspective, can you imagine the Pope
    declaring it the duty of all catholics to murder an
    author?

    Islam is not "just like any other religion", I'm sorry.
    They have a PR problem for good reason.

    Or like the Pope ignoring the Jewish problem during WWII?

    --
    Once during Prohibition I was forced to live for days on
    nothing but food and water.
    --------
    FIELDS, W. C.

  13. Reg <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Tony Lew said:

    [email hidden] (Paul Satem) wrote in message news:<24b3-
    [email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    It is very unfortunate that the whole Al Qaeda / Iraq
    crisis has turned up the heat in the Muslim vs non-
    Muslim situation.

    For the benefit of those that might not already know
    it ...

    There are several hundred million Muslims in this World.
    Only a fraction are fundamentalists ... and only a very
    small fraction of all fundamentalists are extremists
    .... and only a very small fraction of extremists are
    terrorists.

    Yeah, all the condemnation of the "very small fraction"
    by the remaining (presumably very large) fraction is
    really deafening, isn't it?

    I was particularly impressed with the moral outcry when
    one of their clerics, who also happened to run a country
    BTW, declared a death sentence against an author who wrote
    a book he disagreed with. The silence was deafening.

    Wrong. There was no silence. There was a great deal of noise
    - the noise of widespread support of the "fatwa". The
    British in particular were shocked at how their
    "assimilated" Muslim minority supported it.

    Quoted message said:

    I guess that's normal behavior in the Muslim world.

    To put it in perspective, can you imagine the Pope
    declaring it the duty of all catholics to murder an
    author?

    Islam is not "just like any other religion", I'm sorry.
    They have a PR problem for good reason.

  14. "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Paula Drennan said:

    asalamualaikum, Thank you for your defense of Islam.
    Every day i go out


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    have to face the stares and cruel words of people who
    don't understand


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    muslims are not all like al-qaeda, we are not all hell
    bent on misusing


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    word of Allah to rationalize hatred.

    I would observe that there is little condemnation and less
    action in the Islamic community against the
    fundamentalists and their acts.

    The group that took down the World Trade Center met in
    mosques with clerics who obviously supported them. It's
    rather difficult looking in from the outside at Islam to
    accept that it's essentially a peaceful belief set when
    there can be a price put on a writer's head for publishing
    things clerics don't like, when there can be the idea of a
    holy war in which there are no innocents, when suicide is
    considered a rational course of action not to improve
    anything but to merely destroy, and when there are
    apparently so many eager to kill with more being trained
    each day. Perhaps they don't act and speak for the
    majority, but their actions go unremarked and unpunished
    within the community. The larger community gives tacit
    approval by inertia.

    With all the oil money in the Islamic nations, why are
    there still refugee camps? Why are there so few schools
    for the general populace?

    To be sure, many of the ideas in the Quran are different
    than the behavior of the extremists, but believers would
    seem to have an obligation to the belief to right these
    obvious wrongs. Timothy McVey was found, arrested,
    tried, jailed and executed for his part in the Oklahoma
    City bombing. Others are right behind him for their
    parts in the whole situation. I don't see that sort of
    activity in the Islamic nations. The Saudis are finally
    angry enough to make gestures against terrorists in the
    face of the stunning irony of their support of the
    groups all these years.

    The extremists have government support and shelter in too
    many countries. These are governments ostensibly
    established under Islamic law. They observe the laws of
    tooth and claw, not civilization. The further irony is
    that civilization as we know it began in the Tigris and
    Euphrates valleys, Iraq, and spread through the middle
    east to the rest of the western world. They have forgotten
    their roots and their central beliefs. Education and
    thinking have been the worst casualties in this centuries-
    long decline. Islam appears to be in eclipse except as a
    breeding ground for ignorance, destruction, and passivity
    against evil. Where are the builders? Where are the great
    thinkers? Where are the creators of a better world? Where
    are the visionaries?

    Pastorio

    Well said, I (and my friends when discussing this) am in
    complete agreement.

  15. "Vox Humana" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Paula Drennan said:

    asalamualaikum, Thank you for your defense of Islam.
    Every day i go out


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    have to face the stares and cruel words of people who
    don't understand


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    muslims are not all like al-qaeda, we are not all hell
    bent on misusing


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    word of Allah to rationalize hatred.

    I would observe that there is little condemnation and
    less action in the Islamic community against the
    fundamentalists and their acts.

    How could one know? The media in this country is single
    minded and domestically focused.

    Are you kidding? This is the same media that decided to stop
    showing footage of the attack on the WTC after the first few
    days so as not to inflame anti-Muslim feeling. I'm sure if
    there were a lot of condemnation of the terrorists among
    Muslims, the media wouldn't let you stop hearing about it.

    Quoted message said:

    We don't even get a balanced view of what people think in
    this country let alone what people are doing in other
    countries. By the same token, I don't see any action and
    little comment in churches in this country when some
    Christian fundamentalist kills an abortion clinic worker
    or blows up a building. Where's the Pope when that
    happen? In fact, our resident Christian fundamentalists,
    Pat Roberson and Jerry Fallwell use the 9/11 tragedy to
    demonize the ACLU, feminists, gays, and abortion
    providers. This is no different than what you are
    condemning, in my opinion.

  16. hahabogus said:

    Reg <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    To put it in perspective, can you imagine the Pope
    declaring it the duty of all catholics to murder an
    author?

    Islam is not "just like any other religion", I'm sorry.
    They have a PR problem for good reason.

    Or like the Pope ignoring the Jewish problem during WWII?

    You're thoroughly reinforcing my point,
    unintentionally no doubt.

    John Paul II made a state visit to Israel and apologized for
    the conduct you're referring to. In other words, the
    Catholic Church and it's institutions are capable of change,
    thay have shown at least some ability to reform. It's not
    that I'm any fan of the Catholic church. The point is you
    shouldn't expect the Vatican to be advocating terrorism
    anytime soon.

    Unlike Islamic leaders.

    And I wouldn't expect any reform movements from within
    Islam anytime soon given that they openly advocate
    murdering writers.

    --
    Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot)
    com

  17. "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Vox Humana said:

    "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Paula Drennan wrote:

    > asalamualaikum, Thank you for your defense of Islam.
    > Every day i go out I have to face the stares and cruel
    > words of people who don't understand that muslims are
    > not all like al-qaeda, we are not all hell bent on
    > misusing the word of Allah to rationalize hatred.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I would observe that there is little condemnation and
    less action in the Islamic community against the
    fundamentalists and their acts.

    Quoted message said:

    How could one know? The media in this country is single
    minded and domestically focused.

    This is simply a silly thing to say. Single-minded...? As
    though there's some sort of conspiracy to only present one
    unified vision across all media. I'm part of the media and
    I've never been told what to say or not say, what to write
    or not write.

    I didn't say it was a conspiracy. It just happens that all
    media covers the same stories with about the same
    perspective. Limbaugh, Fox News, CNN, and so on all cover
    the same stories. There are subtle difference, to be sure.
    Mostly, news outlets report what the government tells them.
    There doesn't seem to be much questioning going on. I think
    that accounts for a lot of the similarities. Bush says he is
    a compassionate conservative. That's how he is known in the
    media. Bush goes to the ranch and cuts brush. The media
    reports that he is on "the ranch." It is never disclosed
    that the "ranch" is a luxury home without any livestock or
    crops. The administration is notorious for threatening loss
    of "access" for anyone who reports unflattering stories. So
    I believe that no one tells you what to report. I also know
    that few reporters have the power to decide what to publish.
    While we were involved in two wars, one of which was
    prosecuted based on false allegations, virtually every media
    outlet spend endless hours on the Ben and JayLo story. Now
    all we hear is the Laci Peterson story. In my opinion there
    is something wrong with that picture. I would rather think
    it was a conspiracy because the alternative is more grim. It
    means that the media is incompetent. Of course, conspiracy
    theorist could point to what happened to the Dixie Chick
    when they spoke out. One of the largest media outlets
    (radio, TV stations, billboards, transit advertising,
    concerts, show prep service) yanked them from the play list.
    Then after Howard Stern started to criticize Bush, the same
    thing happed to him.

  18. Reg <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:
    hahabogus said:

    Reg <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    To put it in perspective, can you imagine the Pope
    declaring it the duty of all catholics to murder an
    author?

    Islam is not "just like any other religion", I'm sorry.
    They have a PR problem for good reason.

    Or like the Pope ignoring the Jewish problem during WWII?

    You're thoroughly reinforcing my point, unintentionally
    no doubt.

    John Paul II made a state visit to Israel and apologized
    for the conduct you're referring to. In other words, the
    Catholic Church and it's institutions are capable of
    change, thay have shown at least some ability to reform.
    It's not that I'm any fan of the Catholic church. The
    point is you shouldn't expect the Vatican to be advocating
    terrorism anytime soon.

    Unlike Islamic leaders.

    And I wouldn't expect any reform movements from within
    Islam anytime soon given that they openly advocate
    murdering writers.

    Actually It shows the Pope can be embarassed. Did the church
    apologize for the witch hunts?

    --
    Once during Prohibition I was forced to live for days on
    nothing but food and water.
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    FIELDS, W. C.

  19. "Reg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    hahabogus said:

    Reg <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    To put it in perspective, can you imagine the Pope
    declaring it the duty of all catholics to murder an
    author?

    Islam is not "just like any other religion", I'm sorry.
    They have a PR problem for good reason.

    Or like the Pope ignoring the Jewish problem
    during WWII?

    You're thoroughly reinforcing my point, unintentionally
    no doubt.

    John Paul II made a state visit to Israel and apologized
    for the conduct you're referring to. In other words, the
    Catholic Church and it's institutions are capable of
    change, thay have shown at least some ability to reform.
    It's not that I'm any fan of the Catholic church. The
    point is you shouldn't expect the Vatican to be advocating
    terrorism anytime soon.

    Unlike Islamic leaders.

    And I wouldn't expect any reform movements from within
    Islam anytime soon given that they openly advocate
    murdering writers.

    To paraphrase Trent Lott, "Maybe if the Pope apologized for
    the Crusades, we wouldn't have had all these problems for
    all these years."

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    "Vox Humana" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    How could one know? The media in this country is single
    minded and domestically focused.

    Are you kidding? This is the same media that decided to
    stop showing footage of the attack on the WTC after the
    first few days so as not to inflame anti-Muslim feeling.
    I'm sure if there were a lot of condemnation of the
    terrorists among Muslims, the media wouldn't let you stop
    hearing about it.

    Huh? Do you mean the same footage we saw 10,000 times in the
    first week and so often thereafter that it is permanently
    burned into the retinas of most Americans? The footage that
    was used as a rationale to invade Iraq? What else would you
    have it continued to excuse?

    gloria p

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