A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet??????



Freewheeling wrote:

> "Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>"G. Morgan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>>>Subject: Re: A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet??????
>>>Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
>>>=> Mark Leuck <= wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>My guess is you can find Jake either hanging out in some local bar at
>>>>Alabama
>>>
>>>[in] Alabama... or????? OR WHERE MARK??
>>
>>I deleted the other part figuring it was a little too dark, it was
>>
>>"or laying along side some Alabama road dead"
>>
>>Jake was another who claimed he'd be around forever hounding Bass
>>
>
>
>
> OK, I have to ask. Last time I was posting here there were some people from
> outside harrassing Bass, determined to be mostly business competitors I
> think, but most of the group rallied to his defense. Did some on the group
> join the attack? Did some of the allegations turn out to be true?
>
> Fill me in.

See <http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent>.
 
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> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Freewheeling wrote:
>>
>>> "Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>>"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>>Mark Leuck wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Are you happy for all the people in the US working for <$6/hour at
>>>>>>>crappy jobs where they are treated as disposable workers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If someone is working a $6 an hour job it's their fault for not trying
>>>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>>>improve themselves, you also seem to ignore the fact that personal
>>>>
>>>>income
>>>>
>>>>>>has continued to climb not fall....
>>>>>
>>>>>AVERAGE personal income has barely risen for the last 25 years.
>>>>>However,
>>>>>most people are making LESS, while a very FEW at the top are making
>>>>>much
>>>>>more. If minimum wage had been indexed to inflation from its
>>>>>introduction, it would be almost $10/hour, not $5.25/hour.
>>>>
>>>>I could care less about how much people above me make, since most of
>>>>them
>>>>are owners of businesses you don't seem to want to count how many jobs
>>>>they've created.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>They can not afford recumbent bicycles, and they are likely working
>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>two or three jobs, so they have no time to ride.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They likely do not know what a recumbent bicycle is, most people don't
>>>>>>regardless of their personal income
>>>>>
>>>>>They know; they just like to use the term "whatthehellisthat" instead.
>>>>
>>>>Doubtful, heck I'd never heard of them until about 3 years ago, many
>>>>parts
>>>>of the US (such as middle of nowhere Indiana) don't get out much :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, it is a great country for those born into the lower classes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You continue this rant about people in lower classes getting the screw
>>>>
>>>>as if
>>>>
>>>>>>they are totally helpless, instead you will find many who are now
>>>>
>>>>considered
>>>>
>>>>>>wealthy were once dirt poor (including many in my own family). They
>>>>
>>>>worked
>>>>
>>>>>>for what they have.
>>>>>
>>>>>But have they EARNED (in a moral sense) ALL their great wealth?
>>>>
>>>>If working for it fits your moral sense then yes I imagine most did
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If so,
>>>>>they are in an unusual minority. (Hell, even Warren Buffet agrees with
>>>>>me here).
>>>>
>>>>I wonder how many jobs Warren Buffet has created over the years, does he
>>>>think he's in the "unusual minority"?
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, I thought you meant the Margueritaville guy. I saw that place,
>>> where Jimmy Buffet used to hang out....
>>
>> See <http://www.responsiblewealth.org/>: I understand that Warren (not
>> Jimmy) Buffet is involved.
>>
>> --
>
> Jimmy Buffet lived in our town for a number of years and my take on him is
> that he is both wealthy and responsible. While he was here he took an
> interest in local enviornmental issues and local environmental groups
> could count on his support, usually financial. He lived on a country road
> long popular with cyclists. As recreational cycling grew the residents
> wanted to ban cycling on this road. Buffett didn't go along with them and
> their efforts failed.
>
> As an aside, local lady has been after him for years to let her start and
> operate an official fan club for parrotheads. There would be some big
> bucks to be spread around if he were to have an official club. His
> answer has always been No. He doesn't want a fan club and as far as I
> know there is no parrothead group that has ever been sanctioned by Buffet.
>
> While he lived here Buffet was considered an asset to the town and his
> moving away has been a loss as far as I am concerned.

Well, I wasn't a fan of his music but have nothing against him. I didn't
dislike his music either. I liked Key West a lot, and suppose that might
give me a reason to enjoy his music. Wish I could get in on the Key West
real estate boom, especially before Cuba opens up. Or the nascient Cuban
real estate boom that's around the corner... I'd hate to think the filthy
capitalists are going to sew that up without letting the rest of us in on
things. At one point a development group composed of gays bought the entire
main street properties in Key West (I don't remember the name of the street
at the moment, but the one where all she shops are located now) for a mere
million dollars. It has to be worth half-a-billion now. And the values
double every couple of years.
 
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> Freewheeling wrote:
>
>> ...
>> The reason I stopped listening to the left is that their judgment is so
>> awful on the War on Terror that I figured it just couldn't be any good on
>> these other issues. And it's not. They're still retooling the same old
>> needs-based remedies they've always relied on. And they're still dead
>> wrong on foreign policy and the misnamed "War on Terror."....
>
> How can a war be fought against an abstract noun? Someone, please explain
> that. I see no credibility in those who can not even see the logical
> impossibility of this.

That's not the issue. The issue is that terrorism is a mere tactic. It's a
marker for totalitarian movements, however, so the misnomer really isn't as
bad as all that. But basically we're in a century-long war against
totalitarianism, and we no sooner defeat one form than it morphs into
another. The most recent is Salafism/Qutbism. It's the social cancer and
scourge that took over as the primary threat once we finally ended chattel
slavery (against similar objections of a Democrat "peace movement," by the
way).

>
>> ... If you want a phenomenal success story, just look at Chile....
>
> Throwing people out of helicopters into the ocean? Packing them into
> stadiums so they can be more efficiently tortured? Henry Kissinger must be
> proud.

Again with the Cold War stuff. I'm talking about Chile today, and naturally
you want to talk about something else. Why wouldn't you?
 
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Freewheeling wrote:
>
>> ...
>>>Where is the missing $8 billion in Iraqi oil revenue? Why doesn? Paul
>>>Bremer have an answer?
>>
>>
>> Kofi Annan probably has it, if it's actually missing. And these are the
>> guys you think don't have enough power.
>
> And just how would Kofi Annan end up with money that was handed out by
> Bremer and the CPA? Make some sense!

You're talking about vague and unsubstantiated allegations by the left. I'm
talking about current investigations by Congress and other institutions into
the most extensive and cynical fraud in history.

Naturally I can understand why you wouldn't want to discuss it.
>
 
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> skip wrote:
>
>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>>>I support the use of an INTERNATIONAL force in Sudan to protect the
>>>civilian population.
>>
>>
>> And which INTERNATIONAL force do you have in mind to protect the
>> citizens?
>
> UCI.
>
>> And exactly who is murdering, raping, and displacing the citizens by the
>> millions?
>
> The promoters of integrated headsets.
>
> --

Thank you. Just as I thought.

skip
 
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> skip wrote:
>
>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>>
>>>I support the use of an INTERNATIONAL force in Sudan to protect the
>>>civilian population.
>>
>>
>> And which INTERNATIONAL force do you have in mind to protect the
>> citizens?
>
> UCI.

Their present rules of engagement don't allow them to protect groups that
aren't under active attack at the time. Nor are we allowed to investigate,
make arrests, and punish people for genocidal crimes. Their role is
basically passive, and has no real hope of employing any of the tried and
true tactics that are known to work against such an "insurgency." Hence,
the slaughter will just continue behind a stonewall of lofty obfuscatory
rhetoric.

>
>> And exactly who is murdering, raping, and displacing the citizens by the
>> millions?
>
> The promoters of integrated headsets.
>

Jemaah Islamiah, backed and supported by the Sudanese government. Your
amnesia is sure selective.
 
Freewheeling wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Freewheeling wrote:
>>
>>
>>>...
>>>The reason I stopped listening to the left is that their judgment is so
>>>awful on the War on Terror that I figured it just couldn't be any good on
>>>these other issues. And it's not. They're still retooling the same old
>>>needs-based remedies they've always relied on. And they're still dead
>>>wrong on foreign policy and the misnamed "War on Terror."....
>>
>>How can a war be fought against an abstract noun? Someone, please explain
>>that. I see no credibility in those who can not even see the logical
>>impossibility of this.
>
>
> That's not the issue. The issue is that terrorism is a mere tactic. It's a
> marker for totalitarian movements, however, so the misnomer really isn't as
> bad as all that. But basically we're in a century-long war against
> totalitarianism, and we no sooner defeat one form than it morphs into
> another. The most recent is Salafism/Qutbism. It's the social cancer and
> scourge that took over as the primary threat once we finally ended chattel
> slavery (against similar objections of a Democrat "peace movement," by the
> way).

And gee, I though it was just a way to win election campaigns and
implement creeping fascism domestically.

>>>... If you want a phenomenal success story, just look at Chile....
>>
>>Throwing people out of helicopters into the ocean? Packing them into
>>stadiums so they can be more efficiently tortured? Henry Kissinger must be
>>proud.
>
>
> Again with the Cold War stuff. I'm talking about Chile today, and naturally
> you want to talk about something else. Why wouldn't you?

I like to remind people of atrocities committed with the consent and
support of the right wing politicians and parties they support. Duh!

If it annoys you, then it serves its purpose.

Pissing matches are fun.

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Freewheeling wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Freewheeling wrote:
>>
>>
>>>...
>>>
>>>>Where is the missing $8 billion in Iraqi oil revenue? Why doesn? Paul
>>>>Bremer have an answer?
>>>
>>>
>>>Kofi Annan probably has it, if it's actually missing. And these are the
>>>guys you think don't have enough power.
>>
>>And just how would Kofi Annan end up with money that was handed out by
>>Bremer and the CPA? Make some sense!
>
>
> You're talking about vague and unsubstantiated allegations by the left. I'm
> talking about current investigations by Congress and other institutions into
> the most extensive and cynical fraud in history.
>
> Naturally I can understand why you wouldn't want to discuss it.

Paul Volker failed to find the "smoking gun" all the right wingers were
hoping for. Deal with it.

What is vague and unsubstantiated about the missing money that was under
the control of the CPA/Bremer? Or are you now in the business of
inventing "facts" like your heroes Cheney and Rove?

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Freewheeling wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>>skip wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I support the use of an INTERNATIONAL force in Sudan to protect the
>>>>civilian population.
>>>
>>>
>>>And which INTERNATIONAL force do you have in mind to protect the
>>>citizens?
>>
>>UCI.
>
>
> Their present rules of engagement don't allow them to protect groups that
> aren't under active attack at the time. Nor are we allowed to investigate,
> make arrests, and punish people for genocidal crimes. Their role is
> basically passive, and has no real hope of employing any of the tried and
> true tactics that are known to work against such an "insurgency." Hence,
> the slaughter will just continue behind a stonewall of lofty obfuscatory
> rhetoric.

No, but the UCI was capable of banning recumbent bicycles from competition.

>>>And exactly who is murdering, raping, and displacing the citizens by the
>>>millions?
>>
>>The promoters of integrated headsets.
>
> Jemaah Islamiah, backed and supported by the Sudanese government. Your
> amnesia is sure selective.

Citation for Jemaah Islamiah promoting the use of integrated headsets,
please.

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"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Howard Dean is a conservative.
>
> --

Whatever. One of our local columnist wrote a column on Dean's passionate
nature. To illustrate she said Dean left the Episcopal Church because they
refused to approve a bike path proposal he had put forward. That is all she
said. I would like to know the rest of the story. Like when does one lose
their religion over a bike path? What is the Episcopal Church's role in
approving bike paths in Vermont?

Since you seem to know a lot about Mr. Conservative who hates the Republican
party and every thing it stands for, I'm wondering what you know about the
bike path situation. I'm wondering if he now hates the Episcopal Church and
everything it stands for?

I have to kinda like Dean for not being the usual Dem phony and for his lack
of double speak. Plus his screams don't bother me all that much. It should
be interesting to see how it plays out for him, Hillary, and the others.

skip
 
$kip wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>>Howard Dean is a conservative.
>
> Whatever. One of our local columnist wrote a column on Dean's passionate
> nature. To illustrate she said Dean left the Episcopal Church because they
> refused to approve a bike path proposal he had put forward. That is all she
> said. I would like to know the rest of the story. Like when does one lose
> their religion over a bike path?...

Bike paths are a religion. Do a "Gurgle Gropes" [1] search for "Martin
Krieg" to verify.

[1] As G. Daniels would write "Google Groups".

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"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> skip wrote:
>
>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>>>skip wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Mark Leuck wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So no Corvair crushing, then?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Single gunshot wound to the head wasn't it?....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nope, broadside by a Chevrolet Sedan near Midland Texas on Nov. 6,
>>>>>>>1963.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Tom Sherman - Earth
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This what you guys are talking about?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp
>>>>>
>>>>>If Hillary Rodham Clinton had done the same thing, O'Reilly, Limbaugh,
>>>>>Hannity et al would have spent the last 15 years (virtually) crucifying
>>>>>here for it.
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Who else, other than Teddy K who deserves what he gets, has O'Reilly,
>>>>et.al. attacked for having an automobile accident, unless a driving
>>>>impairment or something like that was involved.
>>>>
>>>>I can't think of anyone.
>>>>
>>>>But then you are willing to (virtually) crucify L.Bush for being
>>>>involved in an automobile accident when she was 17 years old. What does
>>>>that make you vis-a-vis
>>>>O'Reilly and the others you mentioned?
>>>
>>>I did not say that at all. I was merely pointing out the double standards
>>>for Republicans and non-Republicans.
>>>
>>>--
>>
>>
>> One more time. Who can you name that has been attacked for years by
>> those you mentioned for having an auto accident when no driving
>> impairment or other criminal charges were filed? The only one I can
>> think of is your irrelevant Kennedy friend who is quite deserving of it
>> all.
>>
>> What double standard are you thinking about? Didn't the Dems try to
>> influence the first Bush election by releasing Bush's 30 year old DUI
>> arrest information in the last moments of the campaign? Whatever are you
>> thinking about?
>
> And Bush was given a complete pass on all his mistakes by the pundits.
> Both Clintons, Kerry and Gore were not given the same pass. Double
> standard.
>
> --

Won't answer the question. Gibberish noted.

skip
 
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> $kip wrote:
>
>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Howard Dean is a conservative.
>>
>> Whatever. One of our local columnist wrote a column on Dean's passionate
>> nature. To illustrate she said Dean left the Episcopal Church because
>> they refused to approve a bike path proposal he had put forward. That is
>> all she said. I would like to know the rest of the story. Like when
>> does one lose their religion over a bike path?...
>
> Bike paths are a religion. Do a "Gurgle Gropes" [1] search for "Martin
> Krieg" to verify.
>
> [1] As G. Daniels would write "Google Groups".
>
> --
>

I can give you postive assurance that I will not be doing what you suggest.
Would you like to have another try?

skip
 
skip wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>>$kip wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Howard Dean is a conservative.
>>>
>>>Whatever. One of our local columnist wrote a column on Dean's passionate
>>>nature. To illustrate she said Dean left the Episcopal Church because
>>>they refused to approve a bike path proposal he had put forward. That is
>>>all she said. I would like to know the rest of the story. Like when
>>>does one lose their religion over a bike path?...
>>
>>Bike paths are a religion. Do a "Gurgle Gropes" [1] search for "Martin
>>Krieg" to verify.
>>
>>[1] As G. Daniels would write "Google Groups".
>>
>>--
>>
>
>
> I can give you postive assurance that I will not be doing what you suggest.
> Would you like to have another try?

I see that is not your style. Do a search for "Mike Vandeman" instead. ;)

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skip wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>>skip wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>skip wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Mark Leuck wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So no Corvair crushing, then?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Single gunshot wound to the head wasn't it?....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Nope, broadside by a Chevrolet Sedan near Midland Texas on Nov. 6,
>>>>>>>>1963.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>Tom Sherman - Earth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This what you guys are talking about?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If Hillary Rodham Clinton had done the same thing, O'Reilly, Limbaugh,
>>>>>>Hannity et al would have spent the last 15 years (virtually) crucifying
>>>>>>here for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Who else, other than Teddy K who deserves what he gets, has O'Reilly,
>>>>>et.al. attacked for having an automobile accident, unless a driving
>>>>>impairment or something like that was involved.
>>>>>
>>>>>I can't think of anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>>But then you are willing to (virtually) crucify L.Bush for being
>>>>>involved in an automobile accident when she was 17 years old. What does
>>>>>that make you vis-a-vis
>>>>>O'Reilly and the others you mentioned?
>>>>
>>>>I did not say that at all. I was merely pointing out the double standards
>>>>for Republicans and non-Republicans.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>
>>>
>>>One more time. Who can you name that has been attacked for years by
>>>those you mentioned for having an auto accident when no driving
>>>impairment or other criminal charges were filed? The only one I can
>>>think of is your irrelevant Kennedy friend who is quite deserving of it
>>>all.
>>>
>>>What double standard are you thinking about? Didn't the Dems try to
>>>influence the first Bush election by releasing Bush's 30 year old DUI
>>>arrest information in the last moments of the campaign? Whatever are you
>>>thinking about?
>>
>>And Bush was given a complete pass on all his mistakes by the pundits.
>>Both Clintons, Kerry and Gore were not given the same pass. Double
>>standard.
>>
>>--
>
>
> Won't answer the question. Gibberish noted.

The question is not deserving of an answer.

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"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> skip wrote:
>
>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>$kip wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Howard Dean is a conservative.
>>>>
>>>>Whatever. One of our local columnist wrote a column on Dean's
>>>>passionate nature. To illustrate she said Dean left the Episcopal
>>>>Church because they refused to approve a bike path proposal he had put
>>>>forward. That is all she said. I would like to know the rest of the
>>>>story. Like when does one lose their religion over a bike path?...
>>>
>>>Bike paths are a religion. Do a "Gurgle Gropes" [1] search for "Martin
>>>Krieg" to verify.
>>>
>>>[1] As G. Daniels would write "Google Groups".
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>
>>
>> I can give you postive assurance that I will not be doing what you
>> suggest. Would you like to have another try?
>
> I see that is not your style. Do a search for "Mike Vandeman" instead. ;)
>
> --

I can give you double postive assurance I won't be googling Vandeman.

I accept the reality that you will not answer the question. The
Krieg/Vandeman prattle is your way of taking the fifth.

skip
 
skip wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>>skip wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>$kip wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Howard Dean is a conservative.
>>>>>
>>>>>Whatever. One of our local columnist wrote a column on Dean's
>>>>>passionate nature. To illustrate she said Dean left the Episcopal
>>>>>Church because they refused to approve a bike path proposal he had put
>>>>>forward. That is all she said. I would like to know the rest of the
>>>>>story. Like when does one lose their religion over a bike path?...
>>>>
>>>>Bike paths are a religion. Do a "Gurgle Gropes" [1] search for "Martin
>>>>Krieg" to verify.
>>>>
>>>>[1] As G. Daniels would write "Google Groups".
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I can give you postive assurance that I will not be doing what you
>>>suggest. Would you like to have another try?
>>
>>I see that is not your style. Do a search for "Mike Vandeman" instead. ;)
>>
>>--
>
>
> I can give you double postive assurance I won't be googling Vandeman.
>
> I accept the reality that you will not answer the question. The
> Krieg/Vandeman prattle is your way of taking the fifth.

Skip,
Leaving a church is not the same as changing religious belief - your
question is based on an assumption that is not true and therefore no
reasonable answer is possible.

In many ways the organized church has been the worst possible thing that
could happen to Christianity (and the same could be said about other
religions). In most cases, the religious "authorities" put personal
and/or group aims and beliefs ahead of the doctrine established by the
religion's founder and/or prophet(s).

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"Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "skip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> >
>> > "skip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > news:[email protected]...
>> >> >
>> >> > Nope, broadside by a Chevrolet Sedan near Midland Texas on Nov. 6,
>> >> > 1963.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >>
>> >> No I was talking about the other situation. The park is Fort Marcy or
>> >> something like that. The cause of death was a gunshot wound to the
> head.
>> >
>> > Lemme guess, first name is Vince?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Yeah. Seems to me the first name did start with a V.
>>
>> skip
>
> I always felt that was a very overblown story
>
>

But surely not the part about him being dead.

skip
 
Subject: Re: A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet??????
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=> skip <= wrote:

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>"Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "skip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>> "Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:p[email protected]...
>>> >
>>> > "skip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> > news:[email protected]...
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Nope, broadside by a Chevrolet Sedan near Midland Texas on Nov. 6,
>>> >> > 1963.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >>
>>> >> No I was talking about the other situation. The park is Fort Marcy or
>>> >> something like that. The cause of death was a gunshot wound to the
>> head.
>>> >
>>> > Lemme guess, first name is Vince?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> Yeah. Seems to me the first name did start with a V.
>>>
>>> skip
>>
>> I always felt that was a very overblown story
>>
>>
>
>But surely not the part about him being dead.


Who?? Why are you two talking in code?


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G. Morgan wrote:

> Subject: Re: A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet??????
> Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
> => skip <= wrote:
>
>
>>"Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>"skip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>"Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:p[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>>"skip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nope, broadside by a Chevrolet Sedan near Midland Texas on Nov. 6,
>>>>>>>1963.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No I was talking about the other situation. The park is Fort Marcy or
>>>>>>something like that. The cause of death was a gunshot wound to the
>>>
>>>head.
>>>
>>>>>Lemme guess, first name is Vince?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yeah. Seems to me the first name did start with a V.
>>>>
>>>>skip
>>>
>>>I always felt that was a very overblown story
>>>
>>>
>>
>>But surely not the part about him being dead.
>
>
>
> Who?? Why are you two talking in code?

Google "Vince Foster".

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