A "bread" recipe

Sherry---I appreciate your LC bread recipe. I know that for some of us,
having a wide variety of LC subs is the reason for success, not THE
reason for failure.

KEEP posting your new discoveries!
If the LC "Purists" cant dig it, screw em AND the lop-eared mule they
rode in on..
Nobody's hoilding a gun to their heads MAKING them eat a LC sub.

LassChance

"Hey - if someone wants it, fine. If not, fine. It's not THAT big a
deal...sheesh...
You're completely missing the point.
Marsha/Ohio
Oh, that's ok then...forget I said anything 🙂."

Suze said:

Quoting [email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Less carbs than normal bread => "low carb bread".

Some people actually -can- get away with substitutions that come close
to their old high-carb favorites and still be successful, but they are
generally in the minority and it's frequently those that didn't have
much fat to lose in the first place.

In my observations (based on following a controlled carb plan for
several years), most people are much more successful long-term if they
avoid substitutes (especially ones containing flour, sugar, or gluten,
duh) except as rare treats, condiments, or as something to carefully
experiment with here and there when already in maintenance.

In addition, there are also the folks that -claim- to get away with a
fair amount of substitutions in their LC plans. Yet they are
generally the same ones that, month after month, year after year,
still haven't lost all of their fat or have even re-gained some or all
of it. I see them all the time on various low-carb lists and forums,
here on the newsgroup, and in meatspace.

As is typical of human nature, the tendency of the low carb dieter is
to rationalize that they will somehow be special and different. This
belief will generally be reinforced at first by the short-term
observations made -- especially for the obese, weight will come off in
the beginning even with a fair amount of slack in the plan... later
on, it's a generally a different story altogether.

All right, now thats an answer I can sink my teeth into.

Lass Chance said:

Sherry---I appreciate your LC bread recipe. I know that for some of us,
having a wide variety of LC subs is the reason for success, not THE
reason for failure.

KEEP posting your new discoveries!
If the LC "Purists" cant dig it, screw em AND the lop-eared mule they
rode in on..
Nobody's hoilding a gun to their heads MAKING them eat a LC sub.

If you're trying to quit smoking, you don't switch
to a lower tar and nicotine cigarette.

Marsha/Ohio

Could this possibly be why you're disgustingly fat?

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Lass Chance" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Sherry---I appreciate your LC bread recipe. I know that for some of us,
having a wide variety of LC subs is the reason for success, not THE
reason for failure.

KEEP posting your new discoveries!
If the LC "Purists" cant dig it, screw em AND the lop-eared mule they
rode in on..
Nobody's hoilding a gun to their heads MAKING them eat a LC sub.

LassChance

"Hey - if someone wants it, fine. If not, fine. It's not THAT big a
deal...sheesh...
You're completely missing the point.
Marsha/Ohio
Oh, that's ok then...forget I said anything 🙂."

Luna---I totally agree. LOL, the bag o' salad in my fridge is my only
'convenience food", too.

Eggs without toast IS barbaric! I have a loaf of whole grain LC bread in
my freezer just for those occasions I have eggs (maybe twice a week).
If, twice weekly, my 40 carbs a day includes 5 g. from a slice of LC
toast....whats the BFD?

The fact that it is whole grain and NOT white flour makes it a complex
carb, just as "good" as any other complex carb. Discerning the
difference between whole grain, high fiber LC bread and a big white
French baguette is fairly easy---one I say "yes" to...the other, "no
way".

Apparently, the NO SUBS Nazis cant or wont make this simple
distinction---and cant bear it if others do. (All in the name of "for
your OWN GOOD", of course)

I dont know about you....but I feel pretty ok about figuring out for
myself what I can and cant do. I feared subs at first. What Ive learned
for myself is, I AM able to have a LC sub and not be led astray into the
land of "real" bread, 'real" sugar etc.

LOL, der Konehead can eat nothing but grass and shoe leather, for all I
care....and probably has a secret stash of [censored] Farmer Fudge hidden
under his bed, nibbling away with one hand while typing his predictable,
"Bread is not low carb" and "Eat less, exercise more" with the other.

Pfffft.

LassChance

Re: A "bread" recipe

Group: alt.support.diet.low-carb Date: Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 12:48am
(EDT+4) From: [email hidden] (Luna)
When I have fried eggs, sometimes I'd like a piece of toast to soak up
the yolk. I now use a sausage patty instead, which works ok. Sometimes I
think this is stupid, because a slice of bread has fewer calories than
the sausage, so how is eating the sausage going to help me lose weight?
But then I remember that pre-LC, I'd have eaten the toast AND the
sausage anyway.
What's difficult for me with the low-carb lifestyle isn't missing the
foods themselves, but missing the functionality. Like how bread can hold
stuff and make it more convenient. Which, imo, is one of the things that
makes low-carb work. Since I can't eat a bunless burger while driving
(without making a big mess anyway) I don't eat while I drive anymore.
Since there's nothing in the house like chips that I can just open and
munch on (can't stand pork rinds) I don't mindlessly munch. The most
convenient food around here right now is the bagged salad, so if I want
to be lazy and not cook, that's what's available. Everything else
requires some thought and preparation, which for me is what has been the
biggest lifestyle change. Making eating less convenient means I end up
only eating when I'm truly hungry.
In article <[email hidden]>, "JC Der
Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
Do you seriously think that eating bread is going to help you?
Do you think that eating fake bread is going to help you create a new
lifestyle?
If you're not going to get serious, why even bother?
--

Quoted message said:

"He wont. He is as stoic as a bot. He has
no feeling for others. no sympathy no
empathy no pity. He is consummed with >"self" only. Laureen"

We dont KNOW he's "stoic". FAWK, he weighs 600 pounds and hasnt left his
bed in seven years. Ever seen a pic of him?

Talking the talk and walking the walk aint the same thing.....and all we
know for certain is, he sure does talk....and talk....and talk.

LassChance

Start LC~5-16-05
202-188-165

I meant that for me, it isn't a lifestyle change. I've just never
thought of the particular foods that I eat as part of my lifestyle.
It's just food. Choosing different foods doesn't feel any more
significant than choosing a different shade of lipstick. Maybe it is,
but it doesn't feel that way.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Generally I agree with you, except for the part about eating sausage instead
of bread isn't a lifestyle change. That part would be wrong.

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

--
"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Yes. But the lack of convenience has had the biggest impact as far as
changing my lifestyle, diet-wise, and you were talking about lifestyle
change. Eating low-carb bread instead of regular bread isn't a
lifestyle change, but neither is eating sausage instead of bread. The
whys and hows of eating are the big change, not the food itself.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Lack of convenience one facet of what makes it work.

There are many more.

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

--
"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> When I have fried eggs, sometimes I'd like a piece of toast to soak up
> the yolk. I now use a sausage patty instead, which works ok.
> Sometimes
> I think this is stupid, because a slice of bread has fewer calories
> than
> the sausage, so how is eating the sausage going to help me lose weight?
> But then I remember that pre-LC, I'd have eaten the toast AND the
> sausage anyway.
>
> What's difficult for me with the low-carb lifestyle isn't missing the
> foods themselves, but missing the functionality. Like how bread can
> hold stuff and make it more convenient. Which, imo, is one of the
> things
> that makes low-carb work. Since I can't eat a bunless burger while
> driving (without making a big mess anyway) I don't eat while I drive
> anymore. Since there's nothing in the house like chips that I can just
> open and munch on (can't stand pork rinds) I don't mindlessly munch.
> The most convenient food around here right now is the bagged salad, so
> if I want to be lazy and not cook, that's what's available. Everything
> else requires some thought and preparation, which for me is what has
> been the biggest lifestyle change. Making eating less convenient means
> I end up only eating when I'm truly hungry.
>
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> Do you seriously think that eating bread is going to help you?
>>
>> Do you think that eating fake bread is going to help you create a new
>> lifestyle?
>>
>> If you're not going to get serious, why even bother?
>>
>> --
>> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. --
>> MFW
>>
>>
>> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>>
>> Sure. But low carb bread, in moderate amounts?
>>
>> JC Der Koenig wrote:
>> > Relatively speaking, bread is how relatively many people got
>> > relatively
>> > fat
>> > in the first place.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
>> > hat. --
>> > MFW
>> >
>> >
>> > <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> > news:[email hidden]...
>> >
>> > Maybe not, but relatively speaking, there is such a thing as
>> > low-carb
>> > bread.
>> >
>> > JC Der Koenig wrote:
>> > > Bread is not low carb.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
>> > > hat. --
>> > > MFW
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "Sherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> > > news:[email hidden]...
>> > > > I've been tweaking various recipes to try and come up with more
>> > > > fiber
>> > > > in
>> > > > my
>> > > > diet (I aim for 30g/day) as well as things to keep my husband's
>> > > > lunches
>> > > > interesting. I've come up with these and they are, if I may say
>> > > > so
>> > > > myself,
>> > > > delicious. You can take 'em or leave 'em if you're not
>> > > > interested,
>> > > > but
>> > > > for
>> > > > those who are, here is the recipe:
>> > > >
>> > > > 2c CarbQuik (www.netrition.com)
>> > > > ½c High Gluten Wheat Flour (www.netrition.com)
>> > > > 1c flax meal
>> > > > ½ tsp. salt
>> > > > 3T butter, room temp
>> > > > 1½c hot tap water
>> > > >
>> > > > Mix dry ingredients thoroughly; create a well in the center; put
>> > > > butter
>> > > > in
>> > > > well. Add 1 cup of hot water and stir it in, then add more as
>> > > > needed
>> > > > to
>> > > > form a medium-stiff dough; you may not need to use all the
>> > > > water.
>> > > > Let
>> > > > rest
>> > > > for 10 minutes.
>> > > >
>> > > > Press dough out onto a buttered jelly-roll size baking pan with
>> > > > buttered
>> > > > fingers; score into 14 equal pieces. Bake at 350ºF until
>> > > > lightly
>> > > > browned.
>> > > > Cut at scores and remove from pan to baking rack (bottom will be
>> > > > moist
>> > > > and
>> > > > needs air to dry) to let cool. (I store mine on the racks in my
>> > > > dehydrator - off of course.)
>> > > >
>> > > > These are regular bread-sized pieces, and kept their firmness
>> > > > and
>> > > > didn't
>> > > > get
>> > > > soggy in my husband's lunchbox when I used them for tuna salad
>> > > > sandwiches -
>> > > > a big plus! And I'm guessing the dough will make a fine pizza
>> > > > crust
>> > > > as
>> > > > well...I'll try it sometime this week.
>> > > >
>> > > > Here are the numbers (per piece):
>> > > > kcal - 117
>> > > > fat/sat - 14/3.5g
>> > > > carb - 10.7g
>> > > > fiber - 9.1g
>> > > > net carb - 1.6g
>> > > > protein - 14g
>> > > >
>> > > > (My business revolves around the creation of foods - and it sure
>> > > > is
>> > > > coming
>> > > > in handy now that we're livin' low carb!)
>> > > > --
>> > > > Sherry
>> > > > 364/319/195
>> > > > low carb since 4/3/05
>> > > > http://lowcarb.owly.net - NEW PICS 6/30 - NEW RECIPES 7/4
>> > > >

--
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

Babble on.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I meant that for me, it isn't a lifestyle change. I've just never
thought of the particular foods that I eat as part of my lifestyle.
It's just food. Choosing different foods doesn't feel any more
significant than choosing a different shade of lipstick. Maybe it is,
but it doesn't feel that way.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Generally I agree with you, except for the part about eating sausage
instead
of bread isn't a lifestyle change. That part would be wrong.

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

--
"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Yes. But the lack of convenience has had the biggest impact as far as
changing my lifestyle, diet-wise, and you were talking about lifestyle
change. Eating low-carb bread instead of regular bread isn't a
lifestyle change, but neither is eating sausage instead of bread. The
whys and hows of eating are the big change, not the food itself.

In article <[email hidden]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Lack of convenience one facet of what makes it work.
>
> There are many more.
>
> --
>
> Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW
>
> --
> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > When I have fried eggs, sometimes I'd like a piece of toast to soak
> > up
> > the yolk. I now use a sausage patty instead, which works ok.
> > Sometimes
> > I think this is stupid, because a slice of bread has fewer calories
> > than
> > the sausage, so how is eating the sausage going to help me lose
> > weight?
> > But then I remember that pre-LC, I'd have eaten the toast AND the
> > sausage anyway.
> >
> > What's difficult for me with the low-carb lifestyle isn't missing
> > the
> > foods themselves, but missing the functionality. Like how bread can
> > hold stuff and make it more convenient. Which, imo, is one of the
> > things
> > that makes low-carb work. Since I can't eat a bunless burger while
> > driving (without making a big mess anyway) I don't eat while I drive
> > anymore. Since there's nothing in the house like chips that I can
> > just
> > open and munch on (can't stand pork rinds) I don't mindlessly munch.
> > The most convenient food around here right now is the bagged salad,
> > so
> > if I want to be lazy and not cook, that's what's available.
> > Everything
> > else requires some thought and preparation, which for me is what has
> > been the biggest lifestyle change. Making eating less convenient
> > means
> > I end up only eating when I'm truly hungry.
> >
> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >> Do you seriously think that eating bread is going to help you?
> >>
> >> Do you think that eating fake bread is going to help you create a
> >> new
> >> lifestyle?
> >>
> >> If you're not going to get serious, why even bother?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
> >> hat. --
> >> MFW
> >>
> >>
> >> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email hidden]...
> >>
> >> Sure. But low carb bread, in moderate amounts?
> >>
> >> JC Der Koenig wrote:
> >> > Relatively speaking, bread is how relatively many people got
> >> > relatively
> >> > fat
> >> > in the first place.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
> >> > hat. --
> >> > MFW
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> > news:[email hidden]...
> >> >
> >> > Maybe not, but relatively speaking, there is such a thing as
> >> > low-carb
> >> > bread.
> >> >
> >> > JC Der Koenig wrote:
> >> > > Bread is not low carb.
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
> >> > > hat. --
> >> > > MFW
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > "Sherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> > > news:[email hidden]...
> >> > > > I've been tweaking various recipes to try and come up with
> >> > > > more
> >> > > > fiber
> >> > > > in
> >> > > > my
> >> > > > diet (I aim for 30g/day) as well as things to keep my
> >> > > > husband's
> >> > > > lunches
> >> > > > interesting. I've come up with these and they are, if I may
> >> > > > say
> >> > > > so
> >> > > > myself,
> >> > > > delicious. You can take 'em or leave 'em if you're not
> >> > > > interested,
> >> > > > but
> >> > > > for
> >> > > > those who are, here is the recipe:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 2c CarbQuik (www.netrition.com)
> >> > > > ½c High Gluten Wheat Flour (www.netrition.com)
> >> > > > 1c flax meal
> >> > > > ½ tsp. salt
> >> > > > 3T butter, room temp
> >> > > > 1½c hot tap water
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Mix dry ingredients thoroughly; create a well in the center;
> >> > > > put
> >> > > > butter
> >> > > > in
> >> > > > well. Add 1 cup of hot water and stir it in, then add more
> >> > > > as
> >> > > > needed
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > form a medium-stiff dough; you may not need to use all the
> >> > > > water.
> >> > > > Let
> >> > > > rest
> >> > > > for 10 minutes.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Press dough out onto a buttered jelly-roll size baking pan
> >> > > > with
> >> > > > buttered
> >> > > > fingers; score into 14 equal pieces. Bake at 350ºF until
> >> > > > lightly
> >> > > > browned.
> >> > > > Cut at scores and remove from pan to baking rack (bottom will
> >> > > > be
> >> > > > moist
> >> > > > and
> >> > > > needs air to dry) to let cool. (I store mine on the racks in
> >> > > > my
> >> > > > dehydrator - off of course.)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > These are regular bread-sized pieces, and kept their firmness
> >> > > > and
> >> > > > didn't
> >> > > > get
> >> > > > soggy in my husband's lunchbox when I used them for tuna
> >> > > > salad
> >> > > > sandwiches -
> >> > > > a big plus! And I'm guessing the dough will make a fine
> >> > > > pizza
> >> > > > crust
> >> > > > as
> >> > > > well...I'll try it sometime this week.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Here are the numbers (per piece):
> >> > > > kcal - 117
> >> > > > fat/sat - 14/3.5g
> >> > > > carb - 10.7g
> >> > > > fiber - 9.1g
> >> > > > net carb - 1.6g
> >> > > > protein - 14g
> >> > > >
> >> > > > (My business revolves around the creation of foods - and it
> >> > > > sure
> >> > > > is
> >> > > > coming
> >> > > > in handy now that we're livin' low carb!)
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Sherry
> >> > > > 364/319/195
> >> > > > low carb since 4/3/05
> >> > > > http://lowcarb.owly.net - NEW PICS 6/30 - NEW RECIPES 7/4
> >> > > >

--
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

Quoted message said:

"There is no such thing as moderation
when it comes to carb addiction... Bread
is one of the fastest ways to set it off too.
Bread and/or cookies." Om

This is true of WHITE bread and cookies made with white flour and sugar.
White flour and refined sugar are simple carbs---might as well just
mainline some pure sugar.

However, a whole grain bread or a cookie made with no flour and Splenda
will not trigger the sugar-spike. These are complex carbs. Some people
may be triggered psychologically and those people are right to avoid
psychological triggers as well as physical ones.

It's an individual thing.

LassChance

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Lass Chance) said:

Luna---I totally agree. LOL, the bag o' salad in my fridge is my only
'convenience food", too.

Eggs without toast IS barbaric! I have a loaf of whole grain LC bread in
my freezer just for those occasions I have eggs (maybe twice a week).
If, twice weekly, my 40 carbs a day includes 5 g. from a slice of LC
toast....whats the BFD?

Maybe nothing for you. I don't do so well with wheat, even in small
amounts. Wheat and potatoes are my problems. Wheat gives me heart
palpitations and hot flashes, potatoes give me what I think is acid
reflux. Something like, anyway. My experiments with corn and rice in
small amounts had no adverse reactions except I don't like them anymore.

Quoted message said:

The fact that it is whole grain and NOT white flour makes it a complex
carb, just as "good" as any other complex carb. Discerning the
difference between whole grain, high fiber LC bread and a big white
French baguette is fairly easy---one I say "yes" to...the other, "no
way".

Plenty of people lose weight on a "healthy carb" diet instead of a "low
carb" diet. Just cutting out junk food alone would help lots of people.

I just think it's important, especially for newbies who may be reading
here, to point out _why_ the anti-sub people are anti-sub. To let them
know what to look out for, in case they have similar physical or
psychological reactions.

It's just too likely for a newbie who doesn't yet know how they will
react to subs to read some recipes here and go "Hey! I can eat all the
old stuff I used to eat as long as it's low-carb!" and then go overboard
and fail to lose weight or break the carb addiction. Not too long ago,
the low-carb aisle in a local store here had enough subs for chips,
pasta and candy that you could base a whole diet on those foods alone.
But would that have been healthy? And would it have worked? And I
wouldn't be surprised if many people did that, those whose knowledge of
low-carb was limited to word of mouth or the headlines of magazine
articles.

My uncle is one of those people. Thinks he knows everything already.
He told my dad he'd started Atkins, then later that day he ate two
bagels. My dad was all wtf? and my uncle was all "I'm drinking DIET
coke!" People like him sure as hell aren't ready to experiment with
low-carb bread.

Quoted message said:

Apparently, the NO SUBS Nazis cant or wont make this simple
distinction---and cant bear it if others do. (All in the name of "for
your OWN GOOD", of course)

I dont know about you....but I feel pretty ok about figuring out for
myself what I can and cant do. I feared subs at first. What Ive learned
for myself is, I AM able to have a LC sub and not be led astray into the
land of "real" bread, 'real" sugar etc.

--
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

If what you say is true for, then you should avoid it. It isn't true for
everyone. I don't think I have any carb addiction. I did not get fat
eating any one thing or binge eating. I never stuffed myself but I am a
snacker. I got fat slowly over a period of years being very sedentary and
eating a little more each day than I burned. Still, I haven't eaten bread
since I started low carbing. I never have been much of a sandwich eater and
don't like most store bought bread. To have a really good slice of bread I
would have to have on hand all the ingredients necessary to make a loaf and
put them all in my bread machine, then be tantalized by its smell while it
is baking, only to have one slice and store the rest. My SO isn't a bread
eater so the incentive for me to make bread is very low, easy to resist
doing it. Being lazy sometimes has its benefits.

Speaking of smells, they are a great hunger trigger for me. I don't
remember hearing people talk about this but I can be not feeling hungry at
all, then get a whiff of something good and suddenly be ravenous.

In news:[email hidden],
OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> stated
| In article <[email hidden]>,
| [email hidden] wrote:
|
|| Sure. But low carb bread, in moderate amounts?
||
|
|
| There is no such thing as moderation when it comes to carb
| addiction... Bread is one of the fastest ways to set it off too.
| Bread and/or cookies.
|
| It's really best to avoid bread IMHO. You CAN learn to live without
| it. --
| Om.
|
| "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
| Nicholson

FOB wrote:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

Speaking of smells, they are a great hunger trigger for me. I don't
remember hearing people talk about this but I can be not feeling hungry at
all, then get a whiff of something good and suddenly be ravenous.

And slobbering?

We went to the drive-in last weekend and the popcorn smell 'bout drove
me up the wall.

Fortunately, I already had a good stash of "acceptables" with me, so all
was well. I told myself, "Bah -- who needs popcorn when you can have
pork rinds! Yummy!"

Well, that part didn't work -- but walking back out to the car did. :-)

--
July Goals: BG readings in normal range; Not hungry, don't eat
Weight: 16 Pounds Gone (6 of them twice) 06/12/2005
Measurements: 8 inches gone 06/19/2005
Cholesterol: 145
FBG: < 100 since 07/01/2005 A1c 6.5

Sherry said:

"FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Speaking of smells, they are a great hunger trigger for me. I don't
remember hearing people talk about this but I can be not feeling hungry at
all, then get a whiff of something good and suddenly be ravenous.

YES!! I avoid the Cinnabon wing at the mall like the plague 🙂.

Sherry -- I had forgotten all about those. But if memory serves, that
smell permeates everything, including your clothes after you leave? lol

One of the few times I can honestly say I'm glad this podunk hell
doesn't have a mall. :-)

--
July Goals: BG readings in normal range; Not hungry, don't eat
Weight: 16 Pounds Gone (6 of them twice) 06/12/2005
Measurements: 8 inches gone 06/19/2005
Cholesterol: 145
FBG: < 100 since 07/01/2005 A1c 6.5

: While that may be true, Low carb bread is still not truly a low carb
: food...
:
: IMHO anything with 10 grams of carbs PER SERVING where the carb grams
: outstrip the protien and fat grams is NOT a low carb food.
:
: Especially when you are trying to limit to 20 grams per day max. ;-)
: --
: Om.

However, those on Induction are not the only persons on this newsgroup.
Those of us on Maintenance eat more than 20 grams of carbs a day AND like to
have some bread from time to time. It's not an every day thing.

Pat in TX

It didnt.. and thats why I dont eat all day long. actualy I never really
did. I ate a lot in short spurts ignoring the full feeling.. Today I stopped
eating when I was no longer hungry not when I felt full.

Tori

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Lots of people can eat what they want all day long and not get fat.

How did that work out for you?

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Tori M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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He just does not understand that some people CAN eat lower carbed things
like low carb bread. Just can not wrap his head arround it. I know
plenty
of people that eat bread and are not fat.. On the other hand they dont
sit
down and eat 3 sandwhiches in a sitting.

Tori

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yes. But the lack of convenience has had the biggest impact as far as
changing my lifestyle, diet-wise, and you were talking about lifestyle
change. Eating low-carb bread instead of regular bread isn't a
lifestyle change, but neither is eating sausage instead of bread. The
whys and hows of eating are the big change, not the food itself.

In article <[email hidden]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Lack of convenience one facet of what makes it work.
>
> There are many more.
>
> --
>
> Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW
>
> --
> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > When I have fried eggs, sometimes I'd like a piece of toast to soak
> > up
> > the yolk. I now use a sausage patty instead, which works ok.

Sometimes

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> > I think this is stupid, because a slice of bread has fewer calories

than

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> > the sausage, so how is eating the sausage going to help me lose

weight?

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> > But then I remember that pre-LC, I'd have eaten the toast AND the
> > sausage anyway.
> >
> > What's difficult for me with the low-carb lifestyle isn't missing

the

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> > foods themselves, but missing the functionality. Like how bread

can

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> > hold stuff and make it more convenient. Which, imo, is one of the

things

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> > that makes low-carb work. Since I can't eat a bunless burger while
> > driving (without making a big mess anyway) I don't eat while I

drive

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> > anymore. Since there's nothing in the house like chips that I can

just

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> > open and munch on (can't stand pork rinds) I don't mindlessly

munch.

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> > The most convenient food around here right now is the bagged salad,
> > so
> > if I want to be lazy and not cook, that's what's available.

Everything

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> > else requires some thought and preparation, which for me is what

has

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> > been the biggest lifestyle change. Making eating less convenient

means

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> > I end up only eating when I'm truly hungry.
> >
> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >> Do you seriously think that eating bread is going to help you?
> >>
> >> Do you think that eating fake bread is going to help you create a
> >> new
> >> lifestyle?
> >>
> >> If you're not going to get serious, why even bother?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
> >> hat. --

MFW

Quoted message said:

> >>
> >>
> >> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email hidden]...
> >>
> >> Sure. But low carb bread, in moderate amounts?
> >>
> >> JC Der Koenig wrote:
> >> > Relatively speaking, bread is how relatively many people got

relatively

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> >> > fat
> >> > in the first place.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than

hat. --

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> >> > MFW
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> > news:[email hidden]...
> >> >
> >> > Maybe not, but relatively speaking, there is such a thing as

low-carb

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> >> > bread.
> >> >
> >> > JC Der Koenig wrote:
> >> > > Bread is not low carb.
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than

hat. --

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> >> > > MFW
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > "Sherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> > > news:[email hidden]...
> >> > > > I've been tweaking various recipes to try and come up with
> >> > > > more
> >> > > > fiber
> >> > > > in
> >> > > > my
> >> > > > diet (I aim for 30g/day) as well as things to keep my
> >> > > > husband's
> >> > > > lunches
> >> > > > interesting. I've come up with these and they are, if I may

say so

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> >> > > > myself,
> >> > > > delicious. You can take 'em or leave 'em if you're not

interested,

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> >> > > > but
> >> > > > for
> >> > > > those who are, here is the recipe:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 2c CarbQuik (www.netrition.com)
> >> > > > ½c High Gluten Wheat Flour (www.netrition.com)
> >> > > > 1c flax meal
> >> > > > ½ tsp. salt
> >> > > > 3T butter, room temp
> >> > > > 1½c hot tap water
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Mix dry ingredients thoroughly; create a well in the center;

put

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> >> > > > butter
> >> > > > in
> >> > > > well. Add 1 cup of hot water and stir it in, then add more

as

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> >> > > > needed
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > form a medium-stiff dough; you may not need to use all the

water.

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> >> > > > Let
> >> > > > rest
> >> > > > for 10 minutes.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Press dough out onto a buttered jelly-roll size baking pan
> >> > > > with
> >> > > > buttered
> >> > > > fingers; score into 14 equal pieces. Bake at 350ºF until

lightly

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> >> > > > browned.
> >> > > > Cut at scores and remove from pan to baking rack (bottom

will

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be

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> >> > > > moist
> >> > > > and
> >> > > > needs air to dry) to let cool. (I store mine on the racks

in

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my

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> >> > > > dehydrator - off of course.)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > These are regular bread-sized pieces, and kept their

firmness

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and

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> >> > > > didn't
> >> > > > get
> >> > > > soggy in my husband's lunchbox when I used them for tuna

salad

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Quoted message said:

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> >> > > > sandwiches -
> >> > > > a big plus! And I'm guessing the dough will make a fine
> >> > > > pizza
> >> > > > crust
> >> > > > as
> >> > > > well...I'll try it sometime this week.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Here are the numbers (per piece):
> >> > > > kcal - 117
> >> > > > fat/sat - 14/3.5g
> >> > > > carb - 10.7g
> >> > > > fiber - 9.1g
> >> > > > net carb - 1.6g
> >> > > > protein - 14g
> >> > > >
> >> > > > (My business revolves around the creation of foods - and it

sure is

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> >> > > > coming
> >> > > > in handy now that we're livin' low carb!)
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Sherry
> >> > > > 364/319/195
> >> > > > low carb since 4/3/05
> >> > > > http://lowcarb.owly.net - NEW PICS 6/30 - NEW RECIPES 7/4
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

--
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

:
: > Sure. But low carb bread, in moderate amounts?
: >
:
:
: There is no such thing as moderation when it comes to carb addiction...
: Bread is one of the fastest ways to set it off too.
: Bread and/or cookies.
:
: It's really best to avoid bread IMHO. You CAN learn to live without it.
: --
: Om.

"Carb addiction"? Please! Even Dr. Atkins didn't call it a low carb diet. He
called it a "controlled Carbohydrate diet". That doesn't mean AVOID carbs.
The key is control.

Pat in TX
:
: "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
Nicholson

yup.. I am not insulin resistance infact I test from time to time and the
results are always normal.. I just eat way too much due to stressors in my
life.. that is why I have a rule that I dont eat while mad, confused, sad or
conflicted in anyway... my pens are suffering!

Tori

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Tori M said:

He just does not understand that some people CAN eat lower carbed things
like low carb bread. Just can not wrap his head arround it. I know

plenty

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of people that eat bread and are not fat.. On the other hand they dont

sit

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

down and eat 3 sandwhiches in a sitting.

Tori

Thye also probably do not suffer from Insulin resistance like the vast
majority of morbidly obese people do. ;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack

Nicholson

And I'm sure it was a loaf of bread you were eating.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Tori M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It didnt.. and thats why I dont eat all day long. actualy I never really
did. I ate a lot in short spurts ignoring the full feeling.. Today I
stopped
eating when I was no longer hungry not when I felt full.

Tori

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Lots of people can eat what they want all day long and not get fat.

How did that work out for you?

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Tori M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

He just does not understand that some people CAN eat lower carbed
things
like low carb bread. Just can not wrap his head arround it. I know
plenty
of people that eat bread and are not fat.. On the other hand they dont
sit
down and eat 3 sandwhiches in a sitting.

Tori

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Yes. But the lack of convenience has had the biggest impact as far as
> changing my lifestyle, diet-wise, and you were talking about lifestyle
> change. Eating low-carb bread instead of regular bread isn't a
> lifestyle change, but neither is eating sausage instead of bread. The
> whys and hows of eating are the big change, not the food itself.
>
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> > Lack of convenience one facet of what makes it work.
> >
> > There are many more.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW
> >
> > --
> > "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:[email hidden]...
> > > When I have fried eggs, sometimes I'd like a piece of toast to
> > > soak
> > > up
> > > the yolk. I now use a sausage patty instead, which works ok.
Sometimes
> > > I think this is stupid, because a slice of bread has fewer
> > > calories
than
> > > the sausage, so how is eating the sausage going to help me lose
weight?
> > > But then I remember that pre-LC, I'd have eaten the toast AND the
> > > sausage anyway.
> > >
> > > What's difficult for me with the low-carb lifestyle isn't missing

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > foods themselves, but missing the functionality. Like how bread

can

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > hold stuff and make it more convenient. Which, imo, is one of the
things
> > > that makes low-carb work. Since I can't eat a bunless burger
> > > while
> > > driving (without making a big mess anyway) I don't eat while I

drive

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > anymore. Since there's nothing in the house like chips that I can
just
> > > open and munch on (can't stand pork rinds) I don't mindlessly

munch.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > The most convenient food around here right now is the bagged
> > > salad,
> > > so
> > > if I want to be lazy and not cook, that's what's available.
Everything
> > > else requires some thought and preparation, which for me is what

has

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > been the biggest lifestyle change. Making eating less convenient
means
> > > I end up only eating when I'm truly hungry.
> > >
> > > In article <[email hidden]>,
> > > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Do you seriously think that eating bread is going to help you?
> > >>
> > >> Do you think that eating fake bread is going to help you create a
> > >> new
> > >> lifestyle?
> > >>
> > >> If you're not going to get serious, why even bother?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
> > >> hat. --
MFW
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > >> news:[email hidden]...
> > >>
> > >> Sure. But low carb bread, in moderate amounts?
> > >>
> > >> JC Der Koenig wrote:
> > >> > Relatively speaking, bread is how relatively many people got
relatively
> > >> > fat
> > >> > in the first place.
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
hat. --
> > >> > MFW
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > >> > news:[email hidden]...
> > >> >
> > >> > Maybe not, but relatively speaking, there is such a thing as
low-carb
> > >> > bread.
> > >> >
> > >> > JC Der Koenig wrote:
> > >> > > Bread is not low carb.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
hat. --
> > >> > > MFW
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > "Sherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > >> > > news:[email hidden]...
> > >> > > > I've been tweaking various recipes to try and come up with
> > >> > > > more
> > >> > > > fiber
> > >> > > > in
> > >> > > > my
> > >> > > > diet (I aim for 30g/day) as well as things to keep my
> > >> > > > husband's
> > >> > > > lunches
> > >> > > > interesting. I've come up with these and they are, if I
> > >> > > > may
say so
> > >> > > > myself,
> > >> > > > delicious. You can take 'em or leave 'em if you're not
interested,
> > >> > > > but
> > >> > > > for
> > >> > > > those who are, here is the recipe:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > 2c CarbQuik (www.netrition.com)
> > >> > > > ½c High Gluten Wheat Flour (www.netrition.com)
> > >> > > > 1c flax meal
> > >> > > > ½ tsp. salt
> > >> > > > 3T butter, room temp
> > >> > > > 1½c hot tap water
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Mix dry ingredients thoroughly; create a well in the
> > >> > > > center;
put
> > >> > > > butter
> > >> > > > in
> > >> > > > well. Add 1 cup of hot water and stir it in, then add more

as

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > >> > > > needed
> > >> > > > to
> > >> > > > form a medium-stiff dough; you may not need to use all the
water.
> > >> > > > Let
> > >> > > > rest
> > >> > > > for 10 minutes.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Press dough out onto a buttered jelly-roll size baking pan
> > >> > > > with
> > >> > > > buttered
> > >> > > > fingers; score into 14 equal pieces. Bake at 350ºF until
lightly
> > >> > > > browned.
> > >> > > > Cut at scores and remove from pan to baking rack (bottom

will

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

be
> > >> > > > moist
> > >> > > > and
> > >> > > > needs air to dry) to let cool. (I store mine on the racks

in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

my
> > >> > > > dehydrator - off of course.)
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > These are regular bread-sized pieces, and kept their

firmness

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and
> > >> > > > didn't
> > >> > > > get
> > >> > > > soggy in my husband's lunchbox when I used them for tuna

salad

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > >> > > > sandwiches -
> > >> > > > a big plus! And I'm guessing the dough will make a fine
> > >> > > > pizza
> > >> > > > crust
> > >> > > > as
> > >> > > > well...I'll try it sometime this week.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Here are the numbers (per piece):
> > >> > > > kcal - 117
> > >> > > > fat/sat - 14/3.5g
> > >> > > > carb - 10.7g
> > >> > > > fiber - 9.1g
> > >> > > > net carb - 1.6g
> > >> > > > protein - 14g
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > (My business revolves around the creation of foods - and it
sure is
> > >> > > > coming
> > >> > > > in handy now that we're livin' low carb!)
> > >> > > > --
> > >> > > > Sherry
> > >> > > > 364/319/195
> > >> > > > low carb since 4/3/05
> > >> > > > http://lowcarb.owly.net - NEW PICS 6/30 - NEW RECIPES 7/4
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick
>
> --
> http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

"Marsha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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If you're trying to quit smoking, you don't switch
to a lower tar and nicotine cigarette.

Then I guess I am missing the point. I'm trying to lose weight so I should
have quit eating instead of switching to different foods?

BTW...down another 3 lbs this week...whatever I'm doing wrong I gotta keep
doing it. Sorry...if I don't fit yer mold...

--
Sherry
364/315/195
low carb since 4/3/05
http://lowcarb.owly.net - NEW PICS 6/30 - NEW RECIPES 7/4

"FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Speaking of smells, they are a great hunger trigger for me. I don't
remember hearing people talk about this but I can be not feeling hungry at
all, then get a whiff of something good and suddenly be ravenous.

YES!! I avoid the Cinnabon wing at the mall like the plague 🙂.

--
Sherry
364/315/195
low carb since 4/3/05
http://lowcarb.owly.net - NEW PICS 6/30 - NEW RECIPES 7/4