A "bread" recipe

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Well, I don't know.

That about sums it up.

JC Der Koenig said:

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Well, I don't know.

That about sums it up.

Duh. Why else would I ask the question?

So.

Why do you ask the question and then argue about the response as if you had
some insight?

One more time, in case you didn't get it, bread is not low carb.

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JC Der Koenig said:

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Well, I don't know.

That about sums it up.

Duh. Why else would I ask the question?

JC Der Koenig said:

So.

Why do you ask the question and then argue about the response as if you had
some insight?

People who mindlessly swallow the answers from those who cloak
themselves in authority are mindless sheeple, who never have hope of
insight. Hence, I argue.

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One more time, in case you didn't get it, bread is not low carb

I agree. But there *is* such a thing as low-carb bread, isn't there?
At least compared to standard bread.

Less carbs than normal bread => "low carb bread".

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JC Der Koenig said:

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>Well, I don't know.

That about sums it up.

Duh. Why else would I ask the question?

Yes. But the lack of convenience has had the biggest impact as far as
changing my lifestyle, diet-wise, and you were talking about lifestyle
change. Eating low-carb bread instead of regular bread isn't a
lifestyle change, but neither is eating sausage instead of bread. The
whys and hows of eating are the big change, not the food itself.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Lack of convenience one facet of what makes it work.

There are many more.

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Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

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When I have fried eggs, sometimes I'd like a piece of toast to soak up
the yolk. I now use a sausage patty instead, which works ok. Sometimes
I think this is stupid, because a slice of bread has fewer calories than
the sausage, so how is eating the sausage going to help me lose weight?
But then I remember that pre-LC, I'd have eaten the toast AND the
sausage anyway.

What's difficult for me with the low-carb lifestyle isn't missing the
foods themselves, but missing the functionality. Like how bread can
hold stuff and make it more convenient. Which, imo, is one of the things
that makes low-carb work. Since I can't eat a bunless burger while
driving (without making a big mess anyway) I don't eat while I drive
anymore. Since there's nothing in the house like chips that I can just
open and munch on (can't stand pork rinds) I don't mindlessly munch.
The most convenient food around here right now is the bagged salad, so
if I want to be lazy and not cook, that's what's available. Everything
else requires some thought and preparation, which for me is what has
been the biggest lifestyle change. Making eating less convenient means
I end up only eating when I'm truly hungry.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Do you seriously think that eating bread is going to help you?

Do you think that eating fake bread is going to help you create a new
lifestyle?

If you're not going to get serious, why even bother?

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

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Sure. But low carb bread, in moderate amounts?

JC Der Koenig wrote:
> Relatively speaking, bread is how relatively many people got relatively
> fat
> in the first place.
>
> --
> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. --
> MFW
>
>
> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> Maybe not, but relatively speaking, there is such a thing as low-carb
> bread.
>
> JC Der Koenig wrote:
> > Bread is not low carb.
> >
> > --
> > Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. --
> > MFW
> >
> >
> > "Sherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:[email hidden]...
> > > I've been tweaking various recipes to try and come up with more
> > > fiber
> > > in
> > > my
> > > diet (I aim for 30g/day) as well as things to keep my husband's
> > > lunches
> > > interesting. I've come up with these and they are, if I may say so
> > > myself,
> > > delicious. You can take 'em or leave 'em if you're not interested,
> > > but
> > > for
> > > those who are, here is the recipe:
> > >
> > > 2c CarbQuik (www.netrition.com)
> > > ½c High Gluten Wheat Flour (www.netrition.com)
> > > 1c flax meal
> > > ½ tsp. salt
> > > 3T butter, room temp
> > > 1½c hot tap water
> > >
> > > Mix dry ingredients thoroughly; create a well in the center; put
> > > butter
> > > in
> > > well. Add 1 cup of hot water and stir it in, then add more as
> > > needed
> > > to
> > > form a medium-stiff dough; you may not need to use all the water.
> > > Let
> > > rest
> > > for 10 minutes.
> > >
> > > Press dough out onto a buttered jelly-roll size baking pan with
> > > buttered
> > > fingers; score into 14 equal pieces. Bake at 350ºF until lightly
> > > browned.
> > > Cut at scores and remove from pan to baking rack (bottom will be
> > > moist
> > > and
> > > needs air to dry) to let cool. (I store mine on the racks in my
> > > dehydrator - off of course.)
> > >
> > > These are regular bread-sized pieces, and kept their firmness and
> > > didn't
> > > get
> > > soggy in my husband's lunchbox when I used them for tuna salad
> > > sandwiches -
> > > a big plus! And I'm guessing the dough will make a fine pizza
> > > crust
> > > as
> > > well...I'll try it sometime this week.
> > >
> > > Here are the numbers (per piece):
> > > kcal - 117
> > > fat/sat - 14/3.5g
> > > carb - 10.7g
> > > fiber - 9.1g
> > > net carb - 1.6g
> > > protein - 14g
> > >
> > > (My business revolves around the creation of foods - and it sure is
> > > coming
> > > in handy now that we're livin' low carb!)
> > > --
> > > Sherry
> > > 364/319/195
> > > low carb since 4/3/05
> > > http://lowcarb.owly.net - NEW PICS 6/30 - NEW RECIPES 7/4
> > >
> > >

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I'm just asking questions. Don't assume. Remember, when you assume,
that makes an ass out of Uma Thurman.

ROFLOLOLOLOL!!!!
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364/319/195
low carb since 4/3/05
http://lowcarb.owly.net - NEW PICS 6/30 - NEW RECIPES 7/4

He just does not understand that some people CAN eat lower carbed things
like low carb bread. Just can not wrap his head arround it. I know plenty
of people that eat bread and are not fat.. On the other hand they dont sit
down and eat 3 sandwhiches in a sitting.

Tori

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Yes. But the lack of convenience has had the biggest impact as far as
changing my lifestyle, diet-wise, and you were talking about lifestyle
change. Eating low-carb bread instead of regular bread isn't a
lifestyle change, but neither is eating sausage instead of bread. The
whys and hows of eating are the big change, not the food itself.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Lack of convenience one facet of what makes it work.

There are many more.

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

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"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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When I have fried eggs, sometimes I'd like a piece of toast to soak up
the yolk. I now use a sausage patty instead, which works ok.

Sometimes

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I think this is stupid, because a slice of bread has fewer calories

than

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the sausage, so how is eating the sausage going to help me lose

weight?

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But then I remember that pre-LC, I'd have eaten the toast AND the
sausage anyway.

What's difficult for me with the low-carb lifestyle isn't missing the
foods themselves, but missing the functionality. Like how bread can
hold stuff and make it more convenient. Which, imo, is one of the

things

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that makes low-carb work. Since I can't eat a bunless burger while
driving (without making a big mess anyway) I don't eat while I drive
anymore. Since there's nothing in the house like chips that I can

just

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open and munch on (can't stand pork rinds) I don't mindlessly munch.
The most convenient food around here right now is the bagged salad, so
if I want to be lazy and not cook, that's what's available.

Everything

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else requires some thought and preparation, which for me is what has
been the biggest lifestyle change. Making eating less convenient

means

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Quoted message said:

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I end up only eating when I'm truly hungry.

In article <[email hidden]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Do you seriously think that eating bread is going to help you?
>
> Do you think that eating fake bread is going to help you create a new
> lifestyle?
>
> If you're not going to get serious, why even bother?
>
> --
> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. --

MFW

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>
>
> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> Sure. But low carb bread, in moderate amounts?
>
> JC Der Koenig wrote:
> > Relatively speaking, bread is how relatively many people got

relatively

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> > fat
> > in the first place.
> >
> > --
> > Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than

hat. --

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> > MFW
> >
> >
> > <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >
> > Maybe not, but relatively speaking, there is such a thing as

low-carb

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> > bread.
> >
> > JC Der Koenig wrote:
> > > Bread is not low carb.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than

hat. --

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> > > MFW
> > >
> > >
> > > "Sherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email hidden]...
> > > > I've been tweaking various recipes to try and come up with more
> > > > fiber
> > > > in
> > > > my
> > > > diet (I aim for 30g/day) as well as things to keep my husband's
> > > > lunches
> > > > interesting. I've come up with these and they are, if I may

say so

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> > > > myself,
> > > > delicious. You can take 'em or leave 'em if you're not

interested,

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> > > > but
> > > > for
> > > > those who are, here is the recipe:
> > > >
> > > > 2c CarbQuik (www.netrition.com)
> > > > ½c High Gluten Wheat Flour (www.netrition.com)
> > > > 1c flax meal
> > > > ½ tsp. salt
> > > > 3T butter, room temp
> > > > 1½c hot tap water
> > > >
> > > > Mix dry ingredients thoroughly; create a well in the center;

put

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> > > > butter
> > > > in
> > > > well. Add 1 cup of hot water and stir it in, then add more as
> > > > needed
> > > > to
> > > > form a medium-stiff dough; you may not need to use all the

water.

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> > > > Let
> > > > rest
> > > > for 10 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > Press dough out onto a buttered jelly-roll size baking pan with
> > > > buttered
> > > > fingers; score into 14 equal pieces. Bake at 350ºF until

lightly

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> > > > browned.
> > > > Cut at scores and remove from pan to baking rack (bottom will

be

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> > > > moist
> > > > and
> > > > needs air to dry) to let cool. (I store mine on the racks in

my

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> > > > dehydrator - off of course.)
> > > >
> > > > These are regular bread-sized pieces, and kept their firmness

and

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> > > > didn't
> > > > get
> > > > soggy in my husband's lunchbox when I used them for tuna salad
> > > > sandwiches -
> > > > a big plus! And I'm guessing the dough will make a fine pizza
> > > > crust
> > > > as
> > > > well...I'll try it sometime this week.
> > > >
> > > > Here are the numbers (per piece):
> > > > kcal - 117
> > > > fat/sat - 14/3.5g
> > > > carb - 10.7g
> > > > fiber - 9.1g
> > > > net carb - 1.6g
> > > > protein - 14g
> > > >
> > > > (My business revolves around the creation of foods - and it

sure is

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> > > > coming
> > > > in handy now that we're livin' low carb!)
> > > > --
> > > > Sherry
> > > > 364/319/195
> > > > low carb since 4/3/05
> > > > http://lowcarb.owly.net - NEW PICS 6/30 - NEW RECIPES 7/4
> > > >
> > > >

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Oh I understand.. Just like 1 day every month I have 1 slice of whole wheat
toast when I eat out for breakfast. Yes it is not low carb but I dont eat
toast at home because I would overeat it.. there I only have 1 slice.. can
not over eat it if you only have 1.

Tori

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"Tori M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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He just does not understand that some people CAN eat lower carbed things
like low carb bread. Just can not wrap his head arround it. I know

plenty

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of people that eat bread and are not fat.. On the other hand they dont

sit

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down and eat 3 sandwhiches in a sitting.

For myself, I can eat this. A piece or 2 every so often. Others may not

be

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able to - and I would expect those to simply bypass the recipe. Even

though

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I've used usenet for a decade, it never fails to amaze me that so many
adults haven't grasped the simple facts that everybody's opinions,

thoughts,

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experiences, and lives aren't the same as theirs. That's a very basic

fact

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of life.

I'll probably continue to post a recipe every so often that I've found
helpful, in the event that someone else may, also. Take 'em or leave 'em,
makes no difference to me. But don't expect me to live by your rules, I'm
doing just fine using my own and when I need help or advice, I'll ask -

and

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then I'll take it or leave it 🙂.
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364/318/195
low carb since 4/3/05
http://lowcarb.owly.net - NEW PICS 6/30 - NEW RECIPES 7/4

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One more time, in case you didn't get it, bread is not low carb

I agree. But there *is* such a thing as low-carb bread, isn't there?
At least compared to standard bread.

No. Bread is not low carb, thus there is no such thing as low-carb bread.
If it's low carb, it's not bread. If it's bread, it's not low carb. If
someone is selling bread and they label it low carb, they are either playing
with the serving size so as to fool you, or they are trying to sell you some
frankenfood.

One more time, in case you didn't get it, bread is not low carb.

Generally I agree with you, except for the part about eating sausage instead
of bread isn't a lifestyle change. That part would be wrong.

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"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yes. But the lack of convenience has had the biggest impact as far as
changing my lifestyle, diet-wise, and you were talking about lifestyle
change. Eating low-carb bread instead of regular bread isn't a
lifestyle change, but neither is eating sausage instead of bread. The
whys and hows of eating are the big change, not the food itself.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Lack of convenience one facet of what makes it work.

There are many more.

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

--
"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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When I have fried eggs, sometimes I'd like a piece of toast to soak up
the yolk. I now use a sausage patty instead, which works ok.
Sometimes
I think this is stupid, because a slice of bread has fewer calories
than
the sausage, so how is eating the sausage going to help me lose weight?
But then I remember that pre-LC, I'd have eaten the toast AND the
sausage anyway.

What's difficult for me with the low-carb lifestyle isn't missing the
foods themselves, but missing the functionality. Like how bread can
hold stuff and make it more convenient. Which, imo, is one of the
things
that makes low-carb work. Since I can't eat a bunless burger while
driving (without making a big mess anyway) I don't eat while I drive
anymore. Since there's nothing in the house like chips that I can just
open and munch on (can't stand pork rinds) I don't mindlessly munch.
The most convenient food around here right now is the bagged salad, so
if I want to be lazy and not cook, that's what's available. Everything
else requires some thought and preparation, which for me is what has
been the biggest lifestyle change. Making eating less convenient means
I end up only eating when I'm truly hungry.

In article <[email hidden]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Do you seriously think that eating bread is going to help you?
>
> Do you think that eating fake bread is going to help you create a new
> lifestyle?
>
> If you're not going to get serious, why even bother?
>
> --
> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. --
> MFW
>
>
> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>
> Sure. But low carb bread, in moderate amounts?
>
> JC Der Koenig wrote:
> > Relatively speaking, bread is how relatively many people got
> > relatively
> > fat
> > in the first place.
> >
> > --
> > Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
> > hat. --
> > MFW
> >
> >
> > <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:[email hidden]...
> >
> > Maybe not, but relatively speaking, there is such a thing as
> > low-carb
> > bread.
> >
> > JC Der Koenig wrote:
> > > Bread is not low carb.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
> > > hat. --
> > > MFW
> > >
> > >
> > > "Sherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email hidden]...
> > > > I've been tweaking various recipes to try and come up with more
> > > > fiber
> > > > in
> > > > my
> > > > diet (I aim for 30g/day) as well as things to keep my husband's
> > > > lunches
> > > > interesting. I've come up with these and they are, if I may say
> > > > so
> > > > myself,
> > > > delicious. You can take 'em or leave 'em if you're not
> > > > interested,
> > > > but
> > > > for
> > > > those who are, here is the recipe:
> > > >
> > > > 2c CarbQuik (www.netrition.com)
> > > > ½c High Gluten Wheat Flour (www.netrition.com)
> > > > 1c flax meal
> > > > ½ tsp. salt
> > > > 3T butter, room temp
> > > > 1½c hot tap water
> > > >
> > > > Mix dry ingredients thoroughly; create a well in the center; put
> > > > butter
> > > > in
> > > > well. Add 1 cup of hot water and stir it in, then add more as
> > > > needed
> > > > to
> > > > form a medium-stiff dough; you may not need to use all the
> > > > water.
> > > > Let
> > > > rest
> > > > for 10 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > Press dough out onto a buttered jelly-roll size baking pan with
> > > > buttered
> > > > fingers; score into 14 equal pieces. Bake at 350ºF until
> > > > lightly
> > > > browned.
> > > > Cut at scores and remove from pan to baking rack (bottom will be
> > > > moist
> > > > and
> > > > needs air to dry) to let cool. (I store mine on the racks in my
> > > > dehydrator - off of course.)
> > > >
> > > > These are regular bread-sized pieces, and kept their firmness
> > > > and
> > > > didn't
> > > > get
> > > > soggy in my husband's lunchbox when I used them for tuna salad
> > > > sandwiches -
> > > > a big plus! And I'm guessing the dough will make a fine pizza
> > > > crust
> > > > as
> > > > well...I'll try it sometime this week.
> > > >
> > > > Here are the numbers (per piece):
> > > > kcal - 117
> > > > fat/sat - 14/3.5g
> > > > carb - 10.7g
> > > > fiber - 9.1g
> > > > net carb - 1.6g
> > > > protein - 14g
> > > >
> > > > (My business revolves around the creation of foods - and it sure
> > > > is
> > > > coming
> > > > in handy now that we're livin' low carb!)
> > > > --
> > > > Sherry
> > > > 364/319/195
> > > > low carb since 4/3/05
> > > > http://lowcarb.owly.net - NEW PICS 6/30 - NEW RECIPES 7/4
> > > >
> > > >

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Lots of people can eat what they want all day long and not get fat.

How did that work out for you?

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Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Tori M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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He just does not understand that some people CAN eat lower carbed things
like low carb bread. Just can not wrap his head arround it. I know
plenty
of people that eat bread and are not fat.. On the other hand they dont
sit
down and eat 3 sandwhiches in a sitting.

Tori

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yes. But the lack of convenience has had the biggest impact as far as
changing my lifestyle, diet-wise, and you were talking about lifestyle
change. Eating low-carb bread instead of regular bread isn't a
lifestyle change, but neither is eating sausage instead of bread. The
whys and hows of eating are the big change, not the food itself.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Lack of convenience one facet of what makes it work.

There are many more.

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

--
"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> When I have fried eggs, sometimes I'd like a piece of toast to soak
> up
> the yolk. I now use a sausage patty instead, which works ok.

Sometimes

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> I think this is stupid, because a slice of bread has fewer calories

than

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Quoted message said:

> the sausage, so how is eating the sausage going to help me lose

weight?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> But then I remember that pre-LC, I'd have eaten the toast AND the
> sausage anyway.
>
> What's difficult for me with the low-carb lifestyle isn't missing the
> foods themselves, but missing the functionality. Like how bread can
> hold stuff and make it more convenient. Which, imo, is one of the

things

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> that makes low-carb work. Since I can't eat a bunless burger while
> driving (without making a big mess anyway) I don't eat while I drive
> anymore. Since there's nothing in the house like chips that I can

just

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> open and munch on (can't stand pork rinds) I don't mindlessly munch.
> The most convenient food around here right now is the bagged salad,
> so
> if I want to be lazy and not cook, that's what's available.

Everything

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> else requires some thought and preparation, which for me is what has
> been the biggest lifestyle change. Making eating less convenient

means

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I end up only eating when I'm truly hungry.
>
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> Do you seriously think that eating bread is going to help you?
>>
>> Do you think that eating fake bread is going to help you create a
>> new
>> lifestyle?
>>
>> If you're not going to get serious, why even bother?
>>
>> --
>> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
>> hat. --

MFW

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>>
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>> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> Sure. But low carb bread, in moderate amounts?
>>
>> JC Der Koenig wrote:
>> > Relatively speaking, bread is how relatively many people got

relatively

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>> > fat
>> > in the first place.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than

hat. --

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>> > MFW
>> >
>> >
>> > <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> > Maybe not, but relatively speaking, there is such a thing as

low-carb

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>> > bread.
>> >
>> > JC Der Koenig wrote:
>> > > Bread is not low carb.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than

hat. --

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>> > > MFW
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "Sherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> > > > I've been tweaking various recipes to try and come up with
>> > > > more
>> > > > fiber
>> > > > in
>> > > > my
>> > > > diet (I aim for 30g/day) as well as things to keep my
>> > > > husband's
>> > > > lunches
>> > > > interesting. I've come up with these and they are, if I may

say so

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>> > > > myself,
>> > > > delicious. You can take 'em or leave 'em if you're not

interested,

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>> > > > but
>> > > > for
>> > > > those who are, here is the recipe:
>> > > >
>> > > > 2c CarbQuik (www.netrition.com)
>> > > > ½c High Gluten Wheat Flour (www.netrition.com)
>> > > > 1c flax meal
>> > > > ½ tsp. salt
>> > > > 3T butter, room temp
>> > > > 1½c hot tap water
>> > > >
>> > > > Mix dry ingredients thoroughly; create a well in the center;

put

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>> > > > butter
>> > > > in
>> > > > well. Add 1 cup of hot water and stir it in, then add more as
>> > > > needed
>> > > > to
>> > > > form a medium-stiff dough; you may not need to use all the

water.

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>> > > > Let
>> > > > rest
>> > > > for 10 minutes.
>> > > >
>> > > > Press dough out onto a buttered jelly-roll size baking pan
>> > > > with
>> > > > buttered
>> > > > fingers; score into 14 equal pieces. Bake at 350ºF until

lightly

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>> > > > browned.
>> > > > Cut at scores and remove from pan to baking rack (bottom will

be

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>> > > > moist
>> > > > and
>> > > > needs air to dry) to let cool. (I store mine on the racks in

my

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>> > > > dehydrator - off of course.)
>> > > >
>> > > > These are regular bread-sized pieces, and kept their firmness

and

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>> > > > didn't
>> > > > get
>> > > > soggy in my husband's lunchbox when I used them for tuna salad
>> > > > sandwiches -
>> > > > a big plus! And I'm guessing the dough will make a fine
>> > > > pizza
>> > > > crust
>> > > > as
>> > > > well...I'll try it sometime this week.
>> > > >
>> > > > Here are the numbers (per piece):
>> > > > kcal - 117
>> > > > fat/sat - 14/3.5g
>> > > > carb - 10.7g
>> > > > fiber - 9.1g
>> > > > net carb - 1.6g
>> > > > protein - 14g
>> > > >
>> > > > (My business revolves around the creation of foods - and it

sure is

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>> > > > coming
>> > > > in handy now that we're livin' low carb!)
>> > > > --
>> > > > Sherry
>> > > > 364/319/195
>> > > > low carb since 4/3/05
>> > > > http://lowcarb.owly.net - NEW PICS 6/30 - NEW RECIPES 7/4
>> > > >
>> > > >
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> http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

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At your weight, all you would have to do is miss half a meal every other day
and you'd still lose weight. Let's see if eating bread still works for you
when you get down closer to a human weight.

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Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Sherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Tori M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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He just does not understand that some people CAN eat lower carbed things
like low carb bread. Just can not wrap his head arround it. I know

plenty

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of people that eat bread and are not fat.. On the other hand they dont

sit

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down and eat 3 sandwhiches in a sitting.

For myself, I can eat this. A piece or 2 every so often. Others may not
be
able to - and I would expect those to simply bypass the recipe. Even
though
I've used usenet for a decade, it never fails to amaze me that so many
adults haven't grasped the simple facts that everybody's opinions,
thoughts,
experiences, and lives aren't the same as theirs. That's a very basic
fact
of life.

I'll probably continue to post a recipe every so often that I've found
helpful, in the event that someone else may, also. Take 'em or leave 'em,
makes no difference to me. But don't expect me to live by your rules, I'm
doing just fine using my own and when I need help or advice, I'll ask -
and
then I'll take it or leave it 🙂.
--
Sherry
364/318/195
low carb since 4/3/05
http://lowcarb.owly.net - NEW PICS 6/30 - NEW RECIPES 7/4

"Tori M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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He just does not understand that some people CAN eat lower carbed things
like low carb bread. Just can not wrap his head arround it. I know

plenty

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of people that eat bread and are not fat.. On the other hand they dont

sit

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down and eat 3 sandwhiches in a sitting.

For myself, I can eat this. A piece or 2 every so often. Others may not be
able to - and I would expect those to simply bypass the recipe. Even though
I've used usenet for a decade, it never fails to amaze me that so many
adults haven't grasped the simple facts that everybody's opinions, thoughts,
experiences, and lives aren't the same as theirs. That's a very basic fact
of life.

I'll probably continue to post a recipe every so often that I've found
helpful, in the event that someone else may, also. Take 'em or leave 'em,
makes no difference to me. But don't expect me to live by your rules, I'm
doing just fine using my own and when I need help or advice, I'll ask - and
then I'll take it or leave it 🙂.
--
Sherry
364/318/195
low carb since 4/3/05
http://lowcarb.owly.net - NEW PICS 6/30 - NEW RECIPES 7/4

"Tori M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Oh I understand.. Just like 1 day every month I have 1 slice of whole

wheat

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toast when I eat out for breakfast. Yes it is not low carb but I dont eat
toast at home because I would overeat it.. there I only have 1 slice.. can
not over eat it if you only have 1.

Yup...I make things for my husband's lunch that I wouldn't eat like he does;
this bread I make mostly for him, he walks about 11 miles at work every
night, pushing heavy equipment, and eats a lot more than I do. He likes
having 2 sandwiches and spreading out his lunch over his breaks during the
night to keep his energy levels constant. He of course gets the majority of
the "bread", I eat some because I like it and because all that fiber helps
me in, er, other ways 🙂.. I don't count his carbs, but he gets the same
lower carb foods, just more of them, and he's dropping weight like crazy.
Weight loss isn't something he was all that interested in, but he started
eating my same foods to support me in my own efforts and it is also paying
off for him 🙂. I'm eating right, feeling better than I have in years, am
having so many benefits that I didn't think I'd ever have (sleeping well,
skin cleared up for the first time since I was 11, tons of energy, almost no
reflux at all, etc.) that I know I'm healthier because of the way I eat,
including my high fiber "bread" recipes. Others don't have to like it, or
even agree with it - or with your slice of wheat toast once a month 🙂.
--
Sherry
364/318/195
low carb since 4/3/05
http://lowcarb.owly.net - NEW PICS 6/30 - NEW RECIPES 7/4

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Relatively speaking, bread is how relatively many people got relatively fat
in the first place.

Unfortunately, I have to concur. :-(
I know it was one of _my_ biggest downfalls.

Bread and sodas......

<sigh>

Fortunately, I no longer miss bread.
I'm sensitive to wheat products anyway.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

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Sure. But low carb bread, in moderate amounts?

There is no such thing as moderation when it comes to carb addiction...
Bread is one of the fastest ways to set it off too.
Bread and/or cookies.

It's really best to avoid bread IMHO. You CAN learn to live without it.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

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JC Der Koenig said:

So.

Why do you ask the question and then argue about the response as if you had
some insight?

People who mindlessly swallow the answers from those who cloak
themselves in authority are mindless sheeple, who never have hope of
insight. Hence, I argue.

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One more time, in case you didn't get it, bread is not low carb

I agree. But there *is* such a thing as low-carb bread, isn't there?
At least compared to standard bread.

Less carbs than normal bread => "low carb bread".

While that may be true, Low carb bread is still not truly a low carb
food...

IMHO anything with 10 grams of carbs PER SERVING where the carb grams
outstrip the protien and fat grams is NOT a low carb food.

Especially when you are trying to limit to 20 grams per day max. ;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tori M said:

He just does not understand that some people CAN eat lower carbed things
like low carb bread. Just can not wrap his head arround it. I know plenty
of people that eat bread and are not fat.. On the other hand they dont sit
down and eat 3 sandwhiches in a sitting.

Tori

Thye also probably do not suffer from Insulin resistance like the vast
majority of morbidly obese people do. ;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Quoting [email hidden]:

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Less carbs than normal bread => "low carb bread".

Some people actually -can- get away with substitutions that come close
to their old high-carb favorites and still be successful, but they are
generally in the minority and it's frequently those that didn't have
much fat to lose in the first place.

In my observations (based on following a controlled carb plan for
several years), most people are much more successful long-term if they
avoid substitutes (especially ones containing flour, sugar, or gluten,
duh) except as rare treats, condiments, or as something to carefully
experiment with here and there when already in maintenance.

In addition, there are also the folks that -claim- to get away with a
fair amount of substitutions in their LC plans. Yet they are
generally the same ones that, month after month, year after year,
still haven't lost all of their fat or have even re-gained some or all
of it. I see them all the time on various low-carb lists and forums,
here on the newsgroup, and in meatspace.

As is typical of human nature, the tendency of the low carb dieter is
to rationalize that they will somehow be special and different. This
belief will generally be reinforced at first by the short-term
observations made -- especially for the obese, weight will come off in
the beginning even with a fair amount of slack in the plan... later
on, it's a generally a different story altogether.

Suze said:

Quoting [email hidden]:

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Less carbs than normal bread => "low carb bread".

Some people actually -can- get away with substitutions that come close
to their old high-carb favorites and still be successful, but they are
generally in the minority and it's frequently those that didn't have
much fat to lose in the first place.

In my observations (based on following a controlled carb plan for
several years), most people are much more successful long-term if they
avoid substitutes (especially ones containing flour, sugar, or gluten,
duh) except as rare treats, condiments, or as something to carefully
experiment with here and there when already in maintenance.

In addition, there are also the folks that -claim- to get away with a
fair amount of substitutions in their LC plans. Yet they are
generally the same ones that, month after month, year after year,
still haven't lost all of their fat or have even re-gained some or all
of it. I see them all the time on various low-carb lists and forums,
here on the newsgroup, and in meatspace.

As is typical of human nature, the tendency of the low carb dieter is
to rationalize that they will somehow be special and different. This
belief will generally be reinforced at first by the short-term
observations made -- especially for the obese, weight will come off in
the beginning even with a fair amount of slack in the plan... later
on, it's a generally a different story altogether.

Hallelujah, amen, etc. etc.

Marsha/Ohio