2008 Tour De France : Stage 1 Brest - Plumelec 195 km Saturday, July
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But isn't turning at lower speeds more strain on the wrists compared to turning at higher speeds?confusedfan said:
perhaps - I was more thinking that it would probably be difficult to turn at all with 2 injured wrists (on potentially broken).TheDarkLord said:
oh, it's at CN now in English too, so I guess I don't have to formally translateconfusedfan said:well, I basically translated and paraphrased everything in the report for you already - would you like a more formal translation?
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It is possible for him to continue. Julich rode the last week of the 2004 Tour with a broken scaphoid then went on to win the bronze/silver in the TT at the Olympics. I broke my scaphoid a few years ago and missed one week of racing. Of course, it wasn't diagnosed as a fracture or I wouldn't have ridden with it. It hurt like a son of a *****. But it was manageable. If I were riding the Tour it wouldn't have kept me from starting. However, he is not gonna win anything. The mountains are going to be painful especially when he has to stand. If I recall, this guy stands alot when he climbs.TheDarkLord said:
I didn't know where the scaphoid bone was in the wrist. It's the small bone on the thumb side labelled "A" in the diagram below (from Wiki). Found in the "anatomical snuffbox" as wiki describes.Malkmus said:
Problem for Soler is he probably can't take a cortisone shot or even heavy painkiller's to help with the pain as it will probably violate doping controls.
I tried to play a world cup qualifying cricket tournament with a broken middle metacarpal (the bone with a "3" on it in the diagram). Waste of time in the end. And I could take local painkillers. You just lose all strength though and it is was impossible to grip the bat properly. Anything that jarred was real painful. Trying to grip the handlebar should be similarly difficult, though a broken hand might be different from a broken wrist... and you have to do it for 5-6 hours a day in the TdF.
I imagine Malkmus experienced a similar thing... but I got a feeling he is a tough SOB...
Did putting the wrist in a cast, like Tyler Hamilton did, help at all Malkmus?
The other problem he would probably have, apart from getting off the seat, would be changing gears and braking on descents.
cranky did you photocopy your **** on merril's photocopier and they fired your ****?Crankyfeet said:I didn't know where the scaphoid bone was in the wrist. It's the small bone on the thumb side labelled "A" in the diagram below (from Wiki). Found in the "anatomical snuffbox" as wiki describes.
Problem for Soler is he probably can't take a cortisone shot or even heavy painkiller's to help with the pain as it will probably violate doping controls.
I tried to play a world cup qualifying cricket tournament with a broken middle metacarpal (the bone with a "3" on it in the diagram). Waste of time in the end. And I could take local painkillers. You just lose all strength though and it is was impossible to grip the bat properly. Anything that jarred was real painful. Trying to grip the handlebar should be similarly difficult, though a broken hand might be different from a broken wrist... and you have to do it for 5-6 hours a day in the TdF.
I imagine Malkmus experienced a similar thing... but I got a feeling he is a tough SOB...
Did putting the wrist in a cast, like Tyler Hamilton did, help at all Malkmus?
The other problem he would probably have, apart from getting off the seat, would be changing gears and braking on descents.
My real problem was the loss of strength in the hand. Braking was difficult. Riding in the drops was incredibly difficult. So, he will have problems going uphill and problems going downhill.Crankyfeet said:I didn't know where the scaphoid bone was in the wrist. It's the small bone on the thumb side labelled "A" in the diagram below (from Wiki). Found in the "anatomical snuffbox" as wiki describes.
Problem for Soler is he probably can't take a cortisone shot or even heavy painkiller's to help with the pain as it will probably violate doping controls.
I tried to play a world cup qualifying cricket tournament with a broken middle metacarpal (the bone with a "3" on it in the diagram). Waste of time in the end. And I could take local painkillers. You just lose all strength though and it is was impossible to grip the bat properly. Anything that jarred was real painful. Trying to grip the handlebar should be similarly difficult, though a broken hand might be different from a broken wrist... and you have to do it for 5-6 hours a day in the TdF.
I imagine Malkmus experienced a similar thing... but I got a feeling he is a tough SOB...
Did putting the wrist in a cast, like Tyler Hamilton did, help at all Malkmus?
The other problem he would probably have, apart from getting off the seat, would be changing gears and braking on descents.
I didn't have a cast until the surgery last fall. I think Julich had a heavy tape job. It will hurt like hell but will be manageable for him. However, he is not going to be contending for anything. Its not going to heal as the tour progresses either. The problem with this bone is that it has a tendor or ligament on both sides which pull in opposite direction. The tendons or ligaments keep the bone from coming together. That is why they usually put a screw in it and call it a day.
He'll go as fast as he can at the Time Trial... but will most likely lose it anyway IMO.Travis44 said:
You're not suggesting that he is going to soft pedal the Time Trial in stage 4... while going for the GC are you?
That's funny... I thought he said the time trial.thunder said:
When they cut to that overhead shot about 300m from the finish... and Kirchen had about 25 yards on the field... I saw Piti making that move round the corner like the rest of the field were standing still (sh!t he's got some explosive acceleration on climbs) and I thought it might be Evans... after seeing Cadel not that far behind in the front-on shot... and having similar colors.
Not to be though.
I just thought Valverde's sprint at the end there was amazing. He literally had the ability to go 5-10 mph faster than the field, and look like he was on a Sunday stroll at the end.
he did say the tt, but he could not have been thinking.Crankyfeet said:
From here on, you don't want to sacrifice time to your GC competitors first, but you would prefer some other team doing the pulling.
Ofcourse, if you are in virtual GC, you are still the only guy your competitors have their eye on and wish to attack.
If I am not mistaken in the post-race interview he said he wanted to keep the jersey for the coming 2-3 stages - he probably meant through the TT.
This is his first yellow, racing for a French sponsor, and no one knows if he can hold for the whole three weeks. I think they will take the risk and keep the jersey as long as they can. Good PR and money.
This is his first yellow, racing for a French sponsor, and no one knows if he can hold for the whole three weeks. I think they will take the risk and keep the jersey as long as they can. Good PR and money.
He can want to as much as he likes... but if Cancellara takes more than 7 secs out of him in the TT and they both finish in the bunch on the next two stages... he won't have much choice but to offload it.Powerful Pete said:
Beautiful stage today, I thought. Well conceived by the course designers. In a way, this could pass as a TTT while eluding more to the final outcome. There was some powerful team play leading up to and going up the climb, but in the end Valverde, whose team was near the front but not stuck on it, triumphed.
I could be wrong -- completely -- but to "sit in" a climb like that and then drill the final 500m for a convincing win bodes well to Valverde. Don't be surprised to see him hold the yellow all the way to the end. I mean, he's very quick, but to roll along with the other gc contenders and then drill it like he did... to do that means he was sitting on some mighty powerful reserves. He may be quicker than all the other gc contenders, but on a climb, when your legs are shot, your legs are shot. Remember, Zabel won this stage a couple years back, and with 1k to the line this year he was nowhere's to be seen, so you know the pace was ramped up early. The knock against Valverde is, he can't climb. They used to say that about Armstrong.
I'd place bets on Valverde to win it all after seeing today's stage. I could be wrong, but I just really don't think so.
PM me for my retro-doping theory... If you look at his performance at Daulphin you might figure it out on your own.
Also, how about those Versus commercials for the Tour rolling the footage backwards... Nice, but, maybe a little premature?
I could be wrong -- completely -- but to "sit in" a climb like that and then drill the final 500m for a convincing win bodes well to Valverde. Don't be surprised to see him hold the yellow all the way to the end. I mean, he's very quick, but to roll along with the other gc contenders and then drill it like he did... to do that means he was sitting on some mighty powerful reserves. He may be quicker than all the other gc contenders, but on a climb, when your legs are shot, your legs are shot. Remember, Zabel won this stage a couple years back, and with 1k to the line this year he was nowhere's to be seen, so you know the pace was ramped up early. The knock against Valverde is, he can't climb. They used to say that about Armstrong.
I'd place bets on Valverde to win it all after seeing today's stage. I could be wrong, but I just really don't think so.
PM me for my retro-doping theory... If you look at his performance at Daulphin you might figure it out on your own.
Also, how about those Versus commercials for the Tour rolling the footage backwards... Nice, but, maybe a little premature?
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