Index, schmindex

In article <[email hidden]>,

Blair P. Houghton said:

After not riding for 12 years (about), I had my Holdsworth
cleaned and lubed this week, and hopped on it for a test-ride.

Ran the friction-shifting Shimano 600 derailleurs into
every gear without so much as a chatter.

My index is in my index finger.

--Blair
"Just like riding a bicycle."

Well, it appears we have our next Tour de France winner...

--
tanx,
Howard

So far, so good, so what?

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Blair-<< After not riding for 12 years (about), I had my Holdsworth
cleaned and lubed this week, and hopped on it for a test-ride. >><BR><BR>
<< Ran the friction-shifting Shimano 600 derailleurs into
every gear without so much as a chatter.

My index is in my index finger. >><BR><BR>

Tee hee, a guy after me own heart. I too use friction shifting and gee,. don't
have any problem getting the chain up and down the rear and front.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Tee hee, a guy after me own heart. I too use friction shifting and
gee,. don't have any problem getting the chain up and down the rear
and front.

I use friction shift on some of my bikes, because the parts are still
readily available and still cheaper (used). Also some of my bikes are
really old.

I guess I like the shifting better on my indexed bikes, but in truth I
don't notice it too much either way, theres a lot of other things to pay
attention to when riding and either way the shifting comes automatically.

Blair P. Houghton <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

After not riding for 12 years (about), I had my Holdsworth
cleaned and lubed this week, and hopped on it for a test-ride.

Ran the friction-shifting Shimano 600 derailleurs into
every gear without so much as a chatter.

My index is in my index finger.

--Blair
"Just like riding a bicycle."

While climbing hard out of the saddle!?? ;-)

(Nick Kolodinsky) said:

While climbing hard out of the saddle!?? ;-)

barcons

-- Dave
==============================================
"It is impossible, or not easy, to do noble acts
without the proper equipment."
Aristotle, <<Politics>>, 1323a-b, trans Jowett
==============================================

My dad's cars never had air conditioning. He said it put wear and tear on
the engine. Often times we sweated like pigs going across the desert during
the height of summer. I followed suit for about 1/2 my driving career (34
years) when I bought a car with AC. Never going back.

It's nice there are many schools of thought. When it comes to index
shifting, though, I ain't going back.

Tom

"Blair P. Houghton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

After not riding for 12 years (about), I had my Holdsworth
cleaned and lubed this week, and hopped on it for a test-ride.

Ran the friction-shifting Shimano 600 derailleurs into
every gear without so much as a chatter.

My index is in my index finger.

--Blair
"Just like riding a bicycle."

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Blair P. Houghton said:

After not riding for 12 years (about), I had my Holdsworth
cleaned and lubed this week, and hopped on it for a test-ride.

Ran the friction-shifting Shimano 600 derailleurs into
every gear without so much as a chatter.

My index is in my index finger.
"Just like riding a bicycle."

Well, it appears we have our next Tour de France winner...

I rode right past a Post Office this morning. Had to
fight the urge to go in and demand a tryout.

--Blair
"They looked busy."

Nick Kolodinsky said:

Blair P. Houghton <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

After not riding for 12 years (about), I had my Holdsworth
cleaned and lubed this week, and hopped on it for a test-ride.

Ran the friction-shifting Shimano 600 derailleurs into
every gear without so much as a chatter.

My index is in my index finger.
"Just like riding a bicycle."

While climbing hard out of the saddle!?? ;-)

Shouldn't affect the operation of the gears any more or
less than an index shift will, and I can always overshoot
to force it over then ease off when it catches.

--Blair
"How's my shorts look from there?"

nick-<< While climbing hard out of the saddle!?? ;-) >><BR><BR>

Going for KOM points?

Gee, a little preplanning and shifting before the hill, in other words, a wee
bit of finesse will get you up there. Or just sit down, shift and stand back
up. In a race it might be important, but just ridin along, no big deal.

Remember even in 1935 or so, before genuine rear ders, the two rod 'der' from
Campagnolo was usable, even on hills. With enough practice, ya can do anything.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

(Nick Kolodinsky) said:

Blair P. Houghton <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

After not riding for 12 years (about), I had my Holdsworth
cleaned and lubed this week, and hopped on it for a test-ride.

Ran the friction-shifting Shimano 600 derailleurs into
every gear without so much as a chatter.

My index is in my index finger.

--Blair
"Just like riding a bicycle."

While climbing hard out of the saddle!?? ;-)

That's always a matter of planning and bike handling. If you're trying to shift
while out of the saddle you are already hosed.

Besides, didn't Lance fail to beat the old pre-index time up the Alp of Wheeze?

Ron

RonSonic said:

(Nick Kolodinsky) said:

Blair P. Houghton <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

After not riding for 12 years (about), I had my Holdsworth
cleaned and lubed this week, and hopped on it for a test-ride.

Ran the friction-shifting Shimano 600 derailleurs into
every gear without so much as a chatter.

My index is in my index finger.

--Blair
"Just like riding a bicycle."

While climbing hard out of the saddle!?? ;-)

That's always a matter of planning and bike handling. If you're trying
to shift
while out of the saddle you are already hosed.

Besides, didn't Lance fail to beat the old pre-index time up the Alp of Wheeze?

I believe he was 1 second off Pantani's time. And Pantani most
certainly had index shifting.

On 2004-07-23 06:21:44 -0700, [email hidden] (Qui si parla

Campagnolo ) said:

nick-<< While climbing hard out of the saddle!?? ;-) >><BR><BR>

Going for KOM points?

Gee, a little preplanning and shifting before the hill, in other words, a wee
bit of finesse will get you up there. Or just sit down, shift and stand back
up. In a race it might be important, but just ridin along, no big deal.

Remember even in 1935 or so, before genuine rear ders, the two rod 'der' from
Campagnolo was usable, even on hills. With enough practice, ya can do anything.

Sure, you can. However, it's not as convenient or as fast as index
shifting, most importantly the STI or Campy brake lever integrated
shifters.

It's not all that often I shift when standing, but there are times it's
certainly necessary in racing moments. In those cases the 10-15 meters
you save by not sitting, shifting, re-standing, and sprinting can make
a huge difference.

Bill Lloyd said:

I believe he {LA} was 1 second off Pantani's time.

Does anyone know if the start/finish lines were /exactly/ the same?

Bill "not to mention race type, conditions, situation, etc." S.

RonSonic <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

(Nick Kolodinsky) said:

Blair P. Houghton <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

After not riding for 12 years (about), I had my Holdsworth
cleaned and lubed this week, and hopped on it for a test-ride.

Ran the friction-shifting Shimano 600 derailleurs into
every gear without so much as a chatter.

My index is in my index finger.

--Blair
"Just like riding a bicycle."

While climbing hard out of the saddle!?? ;-)

That's always a matter of planning and bike handling. If you're trying to shift
while out of the saddle you are already hosed.

Besides, didn't Lance fail to beat the old pre-index time up the Alp of Wheeze?

Hmm, the record from Pantani is apparently 37:35. Over the same
distance Lance did 37:36.

What was the "pre-index" time again?

Blair P. Houghton <[email hidden]> wrote in news:_YILc.20202195$Id.3343809
@news.easynews.com:

Quoted message said:

Ran the friction-shifting Shimano 600 derailleurs into
every gear without so much as a chatter.

My index is in my index finger.

That Lance guy in France uses indexed shifters. What a girly-man.

Tom Kunich said:

Hmm, the record from Pantani is apparently 37:35. Over the same
distance Lance did 37:36.

Gad. What a lamer.

--Blair
"Must be his bottom bracket."

Ken said:

Blair P. Houghton <[email hidden]> wrote in news:_YILc.20202195$Id.3343809
@news.easynews.com:

Quoted message said:

Ran the friction-shifting Shimano 600 derailleurs into
every gear without so much as a chatter.

My index is in my index finger.

That Lance guy in France uses indexed shifters. What a girly-man.

He uses a lot of [censored] he wouldn't use if he weren't paid
a ton of money to use it.

And I'm not saying index shifters are bad. I'm just
saying I do fine without.

--Blair
"Snickt."

Bill Lloyd said:

RonSonic said:

(Nick Kolodinsky) said:

Blair P. Houghton <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
> After not riding for 12 years (about), I had my Holdsworth
> cleaned and lubed this week, and hopped on it for a test-ride.
>
> Ran the friction-shifting Shimano 600 derailleurs into
> every gear without so much as a chatter.
>
> My index is in my index finger.
>
> --Blair
> "Just like riding a bicycle."

While climbing hard out of the saddle!?? ;-)

That's always a matter of planning and bike handling. If you're trying
to shift
while out of the saddle you are already hosed.

Besides, didn't Lance fail to beat the old pre-index time up the Alp of Wheeze?

I believe he was 1 second off Pantani's time. And Pantani most
certainly had index shifting.

Dear Bill,

I'm probably confused by the various records and whether
indexed shifting was used, but I think that Armstrong just
did it in 39:41 and that Pantani did it in 37:35--126
seconds faster.

At

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/tour03/?id=features/alpe_dhuez

there's a sidebar showing Armstrong faster last year at
38:01.

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

Bill Lloyd said:

RonSonic said:

On 22 Jul 2004 08:58:32 -0700, [email hidden] (Nick Kolodinsky) wrote:

> Blair P. Houghton <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:<[email hidden]>...
>> After not riding for 12 years (about), I had my Holdsworth
>> cleaned and lubed this week, and hopped on it for a test-ride.
>>
>> Ran the friction-shifting Shimano 600 derailleurs into
>> every gear without so much as a chatter.
>>
>> My index is in my index finger.
>>
>> --Blair
>> "Just like riding a bicycle."
>
> While climbing hard out of the saddle!?? ;-)

That's always a matter of planning and bike handling. If you're trying
to shift
while out of the saddle you are already hosed.

Besides, didn't Lance fail to beat the old pre-index time up the Alp of Wheeze?

I believe he was 1 second off Pantani's time. And Pantani most
certainly had index shifting.

Dear Bill,

I'm probably confused by the various records and whether
indexed shifting was used, but I think that Armstrong just
did it in 39:41 and that Pantani did it in 37:35--126
seconds faster.

I looked further and there aren't times handy for the climb that predate index
shifting.

Ron

Quoted message said:

At

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/tour03/?id=features/alpe_dhuez

there's a sidebar showing Armstrong faster last year at
38:01.

Carl Fogel