Very useful riding technique.

"Michael Dart" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Especially in post Isabel (hurricane) Virginia and NC. I can now clear

logs

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big as my wheel doing this.

http://www.adksportsfitness.com/april2004/columns/mtb.html

Note to barneys: Please learn this and STOP piling loose sticks over 7"
logs to ramp over them. I'm !@#$ing tired of fixing broken spokes and
replacing derailleurs.

Mike

The only problem is this technique only works on hexagonal logs. The logs I
usually see in the wild (I call these XTreme Logs) are less hexagonal and
more round. Therefore when your tire hits it, the two round surfaces tend
to cancel each other out and your rotational torque due to the two spinning
round shapes cause a sideways force that might end up in a crash.

"Michael Dart" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Especially in post Isabel (hurricane) Virginia and NC. I can now clear

logs

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big as my wheel doing this.

http://www.adksportsfitness.com/april2004/columns/mtb.html

Note to barneys: Please learn this and STOP piling loose sticks over 7"
logs to ramp over them. I'm !@#$ing tired of fixing broken spokes and
replacing derailleurs.

Mike

"Now, skill and timing are needed. Start as before, and just after setting
the front wheel on the X lean forward slightly and use your feet (a
pedal/cleat system is needed so your shoes are firmly attached to the
pedals)"

Oi! Myself and almost every trials rider in the world have obviously being
doing something wrong then.

Steve.

Michael Dart said:

Especially in post Isabel (hurricane) Virginia and NC. I can now clear logs
big as my wheel doing this.

http://www.adksportsfitness.com/april2004/columns/mtb.html

Hmm, I shall have to bear that in mind. Every time I want to clear a five
inch log I'll put on full face helmet, knee and elbow pads, an MX vest and
have two spotters at the side ready to grab me "if anything bad happens"
:0)

Tis a good technique, especially for getting up stuff, but it is bloody
hard to get right for logs. The problem with the article is that is does
not really differentiate between the two. Riding up on to a ledge is fine
because your front wheel remains at the same height and you can garner the
leverage to bring the rear up.

Using that same sort of leverage to get yourself over a log is much more
difficult because your front wheel only has momentary contact with the
log. In fact, what Mr Thomann is actually advocating is closer to what
is known, in bmx circles, as a 'nose bonk'. This is where both wheels
are off the ground before you bang the front wheel on the log.

I'd disagree with Mr Thomann when he says that this is a manoeuver that
can be done at any speed. The larger the log, the greater the momentum
needed to clear it, the greater the chance of screwing up royally. Getting
the timing down to nose bonk a 2' log is difficult, to say the least.

--
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a.bmx FAQ: http://www.t-online.de/~jharris/bmx_faq.htm

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Especially in post Isabel (hurricane) Virginia and NC. I can now clear

logs

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big as my wheel doing this.

http://www.adksportsfitness.com/april2004/columns/mtb.html

That video was a pain in the arz.
First I thought it was my non IE browser that it wouldn't work.
Then I tried IE, it still wouldn't work.
Then I dug out the properties of the video, found it's location, and tried
that, it still wouldn't work.
So finally I put the video location into a download manager, pulled it down
manually, and then played it that way.

Thanks, but without body armour, which here in Aus is big dollars, I haven't
the guts to try the practice I'd need anyway.

Trentus

Michael Dart said:

Especially in post Isabel (hurricane) Virginia and NC. I can now clear logs
big as my wheel doing this.

http://www.adksportsfitness.com/april2004/columns/mtb.html

Here's another example:

http://pages.prodigy.com/CharlieB/log.htm

Round logs, too ;-)
--dt

Michael Dart said:

Especially in post Isabel (hurricane) Virginia and NC. I can now
clear logs big as my wheel doing this.

http://www.adksportsfitness.com/april2004/columns/mtb.html

That's the move that probably gives me the most trouble. My right shoulder
is much weaker than the left, so my wheel tends to turn when I pull up like
that. (It also hurts like a muvva, so I tense up on approach, anticipating
the pain.) But hey, MD, thanks for rubbing it in! 🙂

Bill "hiker biker when necessary" S.

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Especially in post Isabel (hurricane) Virginia and NC. I can now clear

logs

Quoted message said:

big as my wheel doing this.

http://www.adksportsfitness.com/april2004/columns/mtb.html

Note to barneys: Please learn this and STOP piling loose sticks over 7"
logs to ramp over them. I'm !@#$ing tired of fixing broken spokes and
replacing derailleurs.

Mike

Thats what I do. I've cleared one log bigger than my wheels - so it
definitely works. And I actually did it going fairly slowly. As long as
you have the balance and the vertical leap, you can literally get the front
wheel on the log, hop once or twice, and then jump the back wheel up onto
the log. Its definitely a lot easier with some forward momentum though!
Its hard to do really fast too, you end up slamming you rear wheel into it
or just hopping the whole log - which is really just a bunnyhop, and a lot
harder than the touch-jump technique.

Jon Bond

sittingduck said:

Michael Dart said:

Especially in post Isabel (hurricane) Virginia and NC. I can now clear
logs big as my wheel doing this.

http://www.adksportsfitness.com/april2004/columns/mtb.html

check this out: (slightly higher than a wheel <g>😉
sitting-duck.home.comcast.net/hop.mpg

The front wheel tapped on the way up...doesn't count, better luck next time.

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Especially in post Isabel (hurricane) Virginia and NC. I can now clear

logs

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big as my wheel doing this.

http://www.adksportsfitness.com/april2004/columns/mtb.html

Note to barneys: Please learn this and STOP piling loose sticks over 7"
logs to ramp over them. I'm !@#$ing tired of fixing broken spokes and
replacing derailleurs.

Mike

You should learn how to do this with flat pedals first. Learning with
clipless will just promote bad habits.

jack said:

"Michael Dart" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Especially in post Isabel (hurricane) Virginia and NC. I can now
clear logs big as my wheel doing this.

http://www.adksportsfitness.com/april2004/columns/mtb.html

Note to barneys: Please learn this and STOP piling loose sticks
over 7" logs to ramp over them. I'm !@#$ing tired of fixing broken
spokes and replacing derailleurs.

Mike

You should learn how to do this with flat pedals first. Learning with
clipless will just promote bad habits.

Tell us! What are the bad habits we don't wan't to promote?

--
Perre

You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

Both websites are great examples of jumping technique. I like the weight
forward idea, have to try that.

A few years ago when I was riding more and in decent shape I thought I was a
fairly good jumper. I was in a 30km Enduro race and was making good time,
fairly confident, and all that. I went to jump a log and what the hell
happened I will never know. I think I stalled on top of the log, lost my
balance and came down on the bike and then bang! on the ground. When I got
up my saddle was bent sideways and there was no way to bend it back. I rode
for about 2km like that and thankfully came to a way station. There was an
SUV there and the dude did not want to let me use his tire iron. When I
showed him my bike he gave in and I managed to straighten the seat enough to
finish the race. Finished 20th out of 80 racers so its nice to think I could
have done better if not for that log.

Moral of the story? - Never think you're a decent jumper because thats just
about when you're due for a crash.

Sniffinvinyl
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Remain sane, cycle your brains out . . .

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Michael Dart said:

Especially in post Isabel (hurricane) Virginia and NC. I can now clear

logs

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

big as my wheel doing this.

http://www.adksportsfitness.com/april2004/columns/mtb.html

Here's another example:

http://pages.prodigy.com/CharlieB/log.htm

Round logs, too ;-)
--dt

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Per Elmsäter said:

Tell us! What are the bad habits we don't wan't to promote?

Relying on your feet to lift the bike, instead of your hands.

Yeah, using your hands and upper body.

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"Michael Dart" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Especially in post Isabel (hurricane) Virginia and NC. I can now clear

logs

Quoted message said:

big as my wheel doing this.

http://www.adksportsfitness.com/april2004/columns/mtb.html

Note to barneys: Please learn this and STOP piling loose sticks over 7"
logs to ramp over them. I'm !@#$ing tired of fixing broken spokes and
replacing derailleurs.

Mike

You should learn how to do this with flat pedals first. Learning with
clipless will just promote bad habits.

Like smoking bad habits?

sittingduck said:

TM said:

Like smoking bad habits?

Like biking bad habits.

So if using clipless pedals for jumping is a "bad habit", what other
components must we also not use?

--
-BB-
To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)

BB proposed the question:

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So if using clipless pedals for jumping is a "bad habit", what other
components must we also not use?

<raises hand and jumps around>

TOECLIPS!!

sittingduck said:

Per Elmsäter said:

Tell us! What are the bad habits we don't wan't to promote?

Relying on your feet to lift the bike, instead of your hands.

What's wrong with using feet? Why are feet bad and hands better?

Tom

tcmedara said:

sittingduck <[email hidden]> wrote:
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Per Elms=E4ter said:

Tell us! What are the bad habits we don't wan't to promote?

Relying on your feet to lift the bike, instead of your hands.

=20
=20
What's wrong with using feet? Why are feet bad and hands better?
=20
Tom
=20
=20

That's what I want to know too. What, are clipless pedals gonna become=20
illegal contraband, confiscated, and you'll only be able to ride flats=20
for the rest of your existence <G>

Who cares how you do it as long as it works for you.
--
Slacker

Michael Dart said:

Especially in post Isabel (hurricane) Virginia and NC. I can now clear logs
big as my wheel doing this.

http://www.adksportsfitness.com/april2004/columns/mtb.html

Note to barneys: Please learn this and STOP piling loose sticks over 7"
logs to ramp over them. I'm !@#$ing tired of fixing broken spokes and
replacing derailleurs.

Mike

Nice, tried and true method, great video demo also! Time is
everything!

Peace,
Bill
The mind serves properly as a window glass rather
than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give
an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

jack said:

"Michael Dart" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Especially in post Isabel (hurricane) Virginia and NC. I can now clear

logs

Quoted message said:

big as my wheel doing this.

http://www.adksportsfitness.com/april2004/columns/mtb.html

Note to barneys: Please learn this and STOP piling loose sticks over 7"
logs to ramp over them. I'm !@#$ing tired of fixing broken spokes and
replacing derailleurs.

Mike

You should learn how to do this with flat pedals first. Learning with
clipless will just promote bad habits.

WTF?!

bill
The mind serves properly as a window glass rather
than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give
an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]