Very useful riding technique.

sittingduck said:

check this out: (slightly higher than a wheel <g>😉
sitting-duck.home.comcast.net/hop.mpg

That is pretty.. I ride flat pedals all winter... but still can't seem
to get the technique. No problems using clipless.. but sure wish I
could learn to ride with flats..

charlie

Slacker said:

tcmedara said:

sittingduck said:

"Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Tell us! What are the bad habits we don't wan't to promote?

Relying on your feet to lift the bike, instead of your hands.

What's wrong with using feet? Why are feet bad and hands better?

Tom

That's what I want to know too. What, are clipless pedals gonna become
illegal contraband, confiscated, and you'll only be able to ride flats
for the rest of your existence <G>

Who cares how you do it as long as it works for you.

Because if you accidentally unclip before doing this you'll be grateful you
managed to learn how to bunnyhop without clips.

Greg

G.T. said:

Slacker said:

tcmedara said:

sittingduck <[email hidden]> wrote:

> "Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
>> Tell us! What are the bad habits we don't wan't to promote?
>
>
> Relying on your feet to lift the bike, instead of your hands.

What's wrong with using feet? Why are feet bad and hands better?

Tom

That's what I want to know too. What, are clipless pedals gonna
become illegal contraband, confiscated, and you'll only be able to
ride flats for the rest of your existence <G>

Who cares how you do it as long as it works for you.

Because if you accidentally unclip before doing this you'll be
grateful you managed to learn how to bunnyhop without clips.

Greg

I'll take my chances I guess. Seems to me like risk mitigation is a pretty
poor reason to avoid using your feet. Your hands could also slip off the
bars too. Might just be safer to stay at home and drink beer.

Seriously....Having switched to clipless pedals several years ago, I found I
was able to do much more on the bike. I would probably be a better rider if
I learned a whole slew of techniques riding flats, but I'm not that
interested. I'm still not convinced using my feet to help lift the bike
over obstacles is a "bad habit" so much as an easier (albiet marginally
riskier) technique for lesser skilled among us.

Tom (among the lesser skilled, and quite happy)

tcmedara said:

G.T. said:

Slacker said:

tcmedara wrote:

>sittingduck <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
>>"Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Tell us! What are the bad habits we don't wan't to promote?
>>
>>
>>Relying on your feet to lift the bike, instead of your hands.
>
>
>
>What's wrong with using feet? Why are feet bad and hands better?
>
>Tom
>
>

That's what I want to know too. What, are clipless pedals gonna
become illegal contraband, confiscated, and you'll only be able to
ride flats for the rest of your existence <G>

Who cares how you do it as long as it works for you.

Because if you accidentally unclip before doing this you'll be
grateful you managed to learn how to bunnyhop without clips.

Greg

I'll take my chances I guess. Seems to me like risk mitigation is a pretty
poor reason to avoid using your feet. Your hands could also slip off the
bars too. Might just be safer to stay at home and drink beer.

Seriously....Having switched to clipless pedals several years ago, I found I
was able to do much more on the bike. I would probably be a better rider if
I learned a whole slew of techniques riding flats, but I'm not that
interested.

That's certainly your prerogative. I'm glad that I learned to ride on a
full-rigid bike with no toe clips or clipless pedals. I'm pretty certain
that I ride much more efficiently and smoothly than had I not.

Greg

jack said:

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Quoted message said:

Per Elmsäter said:

Tell us! What are the bad habits we don't wan't to promote?

Relying on your feet to lift the bike, instead of your hands.

Yeah, using your hands and upper body.

Hehe. This seemed to arouse a little bit of discussion.
I don't know what is right or wrong but I am curious on how to raise the
rear wheel with my upper body and hands only. Could you describe shortly how
you do it or turn me on to a URL where I can check it out closer?

--
Perre

"You have to keep an open mind and the truth is never white or black".

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"Michael Dart" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Especially in post Isabel (hurricane) Virginia and NC. I can now clear

logs

Quoted message said:

big as my wheel doing this.

http://www.adksportsfitness.com/april2004/columns/mtb.html

Note to barneys: Please learn this and STOP piling loose sticks over 7"
logs to ramp over them. I'm !@#$ing tired of fixing broken spokes and
replacing derailleurs.

Mike

You should learn how to do this with flat pedals first. Learning with
clipless will just promote bad habits.

Who the hell cares if all your bikes have clipless pedals?? Whatever works.

sittingduck said:

Michael Dart said:

Especially in post Isabel (hurricane) Virginia and NC. I can now
clear logs big as my wheel doing this.

http://www.adksportsfitness.com/april2004/columns/mtb.html

check this out: (slightly higher than a wheel <g>😉
sitting-duck.home.comcast.net/hop.mpg

Hmmm... pentagonal log stand-in.
Nice though.
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Quoted message said:

So if using clipless pedals for jumping is a "bad habit", what other
components must we also not use?

Derailers.

-Andrew "somebody had to say it" Thorne

Andrew THorne says:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So if using clipless pedals for jumping is a "bad habit", what other
components must we also not use?

Derailers.

Are you pimping for Rohloff these days? ;-)

Steve

sittingduck said:

Quoted message said:

That is pretty.. I ride flat pedals all winter... but still can't seem
to get the technique. No problems using clipless.. but sure wish I
could learn to ride with flats..

It is really just a matter of timing. For small hops like curbs or logs, all
you are really doing is shifting your weight. You raise up the front, then
shift forward while lifting your feet. Try it standing next to the bike a few
times. You will see that it is pretty easy to lift the back end by shoving
forward on the bars with the front wheel in the air. The tricky part is
timing your jump with your body to coincide with throwing the bike.

Here's a site with a decent explanation:

http://www.bmxbasics.org/new/bmx1095.html

Tell you what, though. Those of us who didn't learn to ride on the
street or bmx and ride clipless now will probably just continue to do
it "wrong" using the feet. I'd love to borrow a bmx bike and screw
around, but who has the time and discipline, really, to change the
pedals and actually practice? We're having too much fun riding the
trails using our "bad" technique :-)

--dt

tcmedara said:

Seriously....Having switched to clipless pedals several years ago, I found I
was able to do much more on the bike. I would probably be a better rider if
I learned a whole slew of techniques riding flats, but I'm not that
interested. I'm still not convinced using my feet to help lift the bike
over obstacles is a "bad habit" so much as an easier (albiet marginally
riskier) technique for lesser skilled among us.

I think 'bad habit', was a poor choice of phrase. Certainly learning how
to do it without the aid of clipless allows you to use a better technique
that will allow you to get even more out of it when you do use clipless.

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Quoted message said:

Are you pimping for Rohloff these days? ;-)

Steve

I've always wanted to try one....

-A

sittingduck said:

Doug Taylor said:

Tell you what, though. Those of us who didn't learn to ride on the
street or bmx and ride clipless now will probably just continue to do
it "wrong" using the feet. I'd love to borrow a bmx bike and screw
around, but who has the time and discipline, really, to change the
pedals and actually practice? We're having too much fun riding the
trails using our "bad" technique :-)

Nobody is saying you HAVE to learn to jump. The OP was trying to learn and
some suggestions have been offered. If it is beyond your ability or desire to
learn it, just STFU. <--- not necessarily for you, just a general comment to
those that seem offended.

Not offended. Just lazy.

--dt

Sittingduck said:

Nobody is saying you HAVE to learn to jump. The OP was trying to learn
and some suggestions have been offered. If it is beyond your ability or
desire to learn it, just STFU. <--- not necessarily for you, just a
general comment to those that seem offended.

Your comments were dead on. The ironic thing is the OP refered to those
who couldn't or wouldn't learn the "proper" (using your clipless pedals
to lift you over) techniques as Barneys. Classic.

The actual "proper" technique requires more practice, but the basic
advantage is that a rider's center of gravity is relatively fixed around
the same axis point on the bike and allows them to retain relatively
consistent balance throughout the entire hop.

Using the "pull the back of the bike up with your clipless pedals"
technique works just fine too. The difference is, should a rider come
unclipped while using this technique, their center of gravity will be
skewed and they'll most likely lose their balance from having their
unclipped leg shoot forward and ramming their knee in to their handle
bars or stem.

Of course Murphy's Law will ensure that the rider won't come unclipped
until just at the point where the rider gains the confidence to hop a
BIG log, resulting in a less than desirable landing.

Ken

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RE/

Quoted message said:

Like smoking bad habits?

Smoking's an addiction, not a habit.
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PeteCresswell

(Pete Cresswell) said:

RE/

Quoted message said:

Like smoking bad habits?

Smoking's an addiction, not a habit.

Although as having been a longtime (now ex) smoker, habit does have a large
part to play. Having lit a cigarette regularly, often at certain times (eg.
after meals) day in and day out for years, habit certainly reinforces the
addiction.
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"Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

jack said:

"sittingduck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Tell us! What are the bad habits we don't wan't to promote?

Relying on your feet to lift the bike, instead of your hands.

Yeah, using your hands and upper body.

Hehe. This seemed to arouse a little bit of discussion.
I don't know what is right or wrong but I am curious on how to raise the
rear wheel with my upper body and hands only. Could you describe shortly

how

Quoted message said:

you do it or turn me on to a URL where I can check it out closer?>

Go half way down the page and see Rachel doing the back hop. (same as
lifting the back tire with flat pedals)

http://www.bmxbasics.org/new/bmx0703.html

jack said:

Go half way down the page and see Rachel doing the back hop. (same as
lifting the back tire with flat pedals)

http://www.bmxbasics.org/new/bmx0703.html

That website kicks ass! Thanks.

I think I need to start hanging out on some BMX sites.
--
Slacker

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Ken in KC <[email hidden]> typed:

Quoted message said:

Sittingduck said:

Nobody is saying you HAVE to learn to jump. The OP was trying to

learn > and some suggestions have been offered. If it is beyond
your ability or > desire to learn it, just STFU. <--- not
necessarily for you, just a > general comment to those that seem
offended.

Your comments were dead on. The ironic thing is the OP refered to
those who couldn't or wouldn't learn the "proper" (using your
clipless pedals
to lift you over) techniques as Barneys. Classic.

The OP didn't really 'read' the entire article. He was excited about the
video and how it showed what he was trying to figure out for over a year.
Had he done so he would also agree that "using clipless pedals to lift the
rear of the bike" isn't proper technique. But neither is piling loose
sticks up to ramp a log, which was the Barney technique he was refering to.

Quoted message said:

The actual "proper" technique requires more practice, but the basic
advantage is that a rider's center of gravity is relatively fixed
around the same axis point on the bike and allows them to retain
relatively consistent balance throughout the entire hop.

Using the "pull the back of the bike up with your clipless pedals"
technique works just fine too. The difference is, should a rider come
unclipped while using this technique, their center of gravity will be
skewed and they'll most likely lose their balance from having their
unclipped leg shoot forward and ramming their knee in to their handle
bars or stem.

The OP has also experienced this effect due to the fact he learned false
skills from SPD pedals. The OP is also so bunny-hop challenged I have it on
very good sources that he even races downhill clipped in.

Quoted message said:

Of course Murphy's Law will ensure that the rider won't come unclipped
until just at the point where the rider gains the confidence to hop a
BIG log, resulting in a less than desirable landing.

The OP has done this too.

Mike - Tired of talking about himself in the third person. ;^)

Slacker said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.bmxbasics.org/new/bmx0703.html

That website kicks ass! Thanks.

I think I need to start hanging out on some BMX sites.

The guy who wrote that article occasionally posts in alt.bmx.

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