"lies" vs "errors"

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Anth said:

Says Rich who thinks niacin causes hepatoxicity and the
flush reaction

with

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niacin is a sign of toxicity. Anth

Thanx for your important and relevant contribution to this
thread Anth.

It appears as if Anth is adopting the tactics of Jan Drew;
instead of discussing the topic, divert attention by
making a personal attack. Speaking of personal attacks,
Jan Drew will soon be along to do her thing. Just watch.

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Watch how Anth completely rejects the above links which
document the toxic effects of Niacin including flushing
(mild toxicity) and hepatotoxicity (more serious
toxicity). Anyone interested in the toxic effects of
Niacin can do a search with "niacin" and "hepatotoxicity".

Aloha,

Rich

My grandson (at age 3-1/2) got into some Niacin which a
neighbor had sitting outside on a table, took some, and was
rushed to the hospital. Getting the affect of Niacin was the
neighbor's method of getting "high".

You can quote pubmed all you want, it doesn't make what you
post true. You are talking elevated symptoms of liver
toxicity - that is not liver toxicity, and hasn't to my
knowledge been shown to be hepatoxicity. (Read Hoffers
rebuttal on this) Show me some significant deaths and I will
believe you. There's also no indication to what these
'pubmed testimonials' were suffering from other diseases
(i.e. were their livers already shot ?) in conjunction to
their reported effects. If Niacin was as dangerous as you
make out then there would be many cases of liver
hepatoxicity happening in the mega dozers. There isn't, so
that kind of throws a spanner in your works. It's the same
kind of [censored] that happened with acorbate and kidney stones.

doctoryourself.comhoffer factoids.htmlOpen ↗
(snipping) Quotes :- The factoid niacin causes liver damage
is analyzed thoroughly by William Parsons Jr, who shows that
niacin will often increase liver function tests but that
these increases do not arise from liver pathology. (and it
goes on to say) 'The main danger from taking niacin is not
jaundice, it is that people will live longer. '

I can show you cases of people who have died drinking water
(hyponatremia), it doesn't mean water is toxic, showing that
your weasel whine about everything being toxic in sufficient
is truly a weasel out attempt. Now does this mean you are
going to cue the presses (as you so like to quote) and
declare water as toxicI doubt it?

Niacin toxicity does exist, it is rare, so rare in fact that
its significance melts away. Anth.

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Anth said:

Says Rich who thinks niacin causes hepatoxicity and the
flush reaction

with

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niacin is a sign of toxicity. Anth

Thanx for your important and relevant contribution to this
thread Anth.

It appears as if Anth is adopting the tactics of Jan Drew;
instead of discussing the topic, divert attention by
making a personal attack. Speaking of personal attacks,
Jan Drew will soon be along to do her thing. Just watch.

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26list_uids%3D8284714%26dopt%3DAbstract&e=7620

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crackpots.orgpurif3.htmOpen ↗

pdrhealth.comnutsupdruOpen ↗
gs/nia_0184.shtml

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Watch how Anth completely rejects the above links which
document the toxic effects of Niacin including flushing
(mild toxicity) and hepatotoxicity (more serious
toxicity). Anyone interested in the toxic effects of
Niacin can do a search with "niacin" and "hepatotoxicity".

Aloha,

Rich

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On 18 May 2004 02:59:31 GMT, [email hidden] (Jan)
wrote:

>>If she had read it, we'd all be talking about
>>arrhythmias and cardiomyopathy (Elavil), tumorigenic
>>potential and sudden unexplained death (Neurontin),
>>and how her EVIL MD is trying to poison her.
>
>My MD is not evil. I would not be taking drugs if I
>had a choice,

Jan does not have a choice?? Who is *forcing* Jan to
take these medications?? If she wants to she can choose
to stop taking them. No one is putting a gun to her
head. Jan *chooses* to take these medications because
they make her feel better. But Jan ridicules children
who take Ritalin even though it makes them feel better.
She is such a hypocrite.

> as a matter of fact, I don't believe I would have had
> a weakended immune sytstem

which led

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>to the problem of the mercury amalgams leaking and
>causing both

mercury

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>poisoning and PN had it NOT been for the fact that I
>was on many drugs

for

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>years for my headache. These drugs are WHAT wiped out
>my immune

system.

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>Then you are fair game to most anything.

So why on earth is Jan taking medications which are
just going to cover up her real problem and give her
side effects? Has not Jan learned that the medications
are just going to cause her problems?? She must be
addicted to these medications if she cannot stop them??

Some day Jan will blame Elavil and Neurontin for wiping
out her immune system or causing some other health
problem. Then she will blame her doctors for not
warning her about the side effects of Elavil and
Neurontin. Some things are so predicable.

Aloha,

Rich

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Anth said:

Says Orac who is out to demonise alt med.

LOL! If you don't believe me when I say I don't hate alt-
med, fine. That's your perogative. But it's true. I
don't hate it.

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Sooner or later the truth is going to come out and people
like you are going to take a big hit.

Actually, more likely, when the clinical studies are finally
actually done, precious few of the plethora of "alt med"
remedies will be shown to have any efficacy. I'll happily
use the ones that do. Unfortunately, alties will continue to
be gullible enough to keep using the ones that don't.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"

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Subject: Re: "lies" vs "errors" From: W_B
[email hidden] Date: 5/18/04 5:33 PM Eastern Daylight
Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

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The prophesy was " ...whole nations will be deceived by
your medicines".

The

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"your" means Satin.

What do sheets have to do with it ?
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Heck!

Just like in honors English in college. An A for
content...a D for

spelling

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errors.

You English majors may keep it up. You still do not know
the medical truth from a medical lie.

The distinction?

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Modern medicine is based upon scientific fraud.

An example?

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Modern medicine is a deception

Specifics?

006 05-18-04 19:27
[email hidden] (DRCEEPHD) posted:
Dr> Modern medicine is based upon scientific fraud. This
Dr> keeps the little people from questioning your lies and
Dr> the arrogant, [censored] docs in line as well. Modern
Dr> medicine is a deception, and I think a deception
Dr> perpetratred by the master of deception... Satan ( with
Dr> an a ).

IMHO, modern medicine is "incomplete" medicine.

Modern medicine should use diet medicine techniques
first; modern medicine should use nutritional medicine
techniques second; and only lastly ---> modern medicine
should use as the last resort -> pharm drug medicine.

Most M.D.s reverse this order of good medical
techniques.

Of course, most people, too, fail to follow (good)
diet medicine.

... End of message 19 May 04 11:04 ___ Blue Wave/386
v2.30 [NR]

Do you have studies, indicating in any way, you have the
right to question this poster?

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Modern medicine is a deception

Specifics?

Oh sit on it, Grimmy! I don't NEED anything for the RIGHT to
ask a question.

DrC made a generalized statement. I asked for specifics to
clarify his point of view.

What the [censored] IS your problem Slimmy? Too many big words for
you to understand?????

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Do you have studies, indicating in any way, you have the
right to question this poster?

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Modern medicine is a deception

Specifics?

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Coleah said:

Ummmm.....I vote for she took herself off medication that
she desperately needs or is permanently brain damaged by
Mercury or has Alzheimer's and can't figure out why
people can't follow her thinking about thinking

about

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thinking stuff.

One thing is for sure. Jan won't clear up whether she is
still taking medication for her PN. What she will do is
try again to trash me. Just watch. Her favorite past time
is pretending to put me in her kill file while trashing me
whenever anyone responds to me. She is so predictable.

Aloha,

Rich

Hmmmm......PN???? Peripheral Neuropathy is a painful
condition that affects a significant proportion of
people with HIV.

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On 19 May 2004 04:37:34 GMT, [email hidden] (Jan)
wrote:

>>Subject: Re: Jan Drew says she has no choice in
>>taking Elavil and

Neurontin

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>
>Back in ?????

It is 2004. If Jan is no longer taking Elavil and
Neurontin she could easily say that. But she does not.
Hmmmmm.
>
>And Rich is STILL yacking about it.
>
>This is 2004 and Rich has NO clue as to what I take,
>he needs to see

an

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>specialist.
>
>Perhaps some Niacin???? *;*

Notice how Jan Drew does not say whether she still
takes Elavil and Neurontin. If she responds to this she
will likely say that it is none of my business. But Jan
makes it her business to try to convince people that
she had mercury poisoning despite her history
indicating otherwise. And when Jan's lies and hypocrisy
are exposed all she can do is make personal attacks.
Sad that.

It would be simple for Jan to say that she still takes
the meds or does not. But she won't do that. And the
reason she will not do that is because she realizes
that if she tells the truth that she is still taking
the medications then her accusation that I lied about
her currently taking the medications will be another in
a long line of lies that Jan tells. What a completely
pathetic individual. She spends countless hours on
usenet trying to convince people that she really had
mercury poisoning when it is obvious that she did not.
And Jan Drew clearly seems to realize it, as she
deliberately manipulates her history to make mercury
poisoning seem likely.

Jan Drew says that the reason she knows it was the
mercury because she did not *begin* to regain her
health until *after* her mercury level dropped.

Funny. Jan says that she began to feel better the
minute the mercury was removed. AT that point the
mercury level did not yet drop.

She said she felt better than she had in two years
within hours of having eight amalgams removed. At that
point the mercury level did not yet drop.

And then a week later Jan was able to line dance and
foot pain went away completely when her mercury level
was likely the highest in her life. And at that point
not only had the mercury level not dropped but it
likely was even higher than when she first had the
amalgams out. It takes a while for the mercury to be
deposited in the tissues while circulating in the blood
following inhaling them during the extraction process.

Of course the pain returned since placebo responses
are transient and Jan had to continue on the Elavil
and Neurontin and was told she may have to take it for
a long time because the damage done may be permanent.

Jan knows that she is still taking those medications.
But she is so desperate to trash me that she must
continue her lies and bearing false witness. May God
have merc(ur)y on Jan's soul.

Aloha,

Rich

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"Coleah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<pgFqc.78904$iF6.6639742@attbi_s02>...

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<Rich.@.> wrote in message news:40c21db6.196365687@news-
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Coleah said:

Ummmm.....I vote for she took herself off medication
that she desperately needs or is permanently brain
damaged by Mercury or has Alzheimer's and can't figure
out why people can't follow her thinking about thinking

about

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thinking stuff.

One thing is for sure. Jan won't clear up whether she is
still taking medication for her PN. What she will do is
try again to trash me. Just watch. Her favorite past
time is pretending to put me in her kill file while
trashing me whenever anyone responds to me. She is so
predictable.

Aloha,

Rich

Hmmmm......PN???? Peripheral Neuropathy is a painful
condition that affects a significant proportion of people
with HIV.

It also accompanies many cases of diabetes & ESRD, just
to name two.

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DRCEEPHD said:

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Subject: "lies" vs "errors" From:
[email hidden] (George Lagergren) Date: 5/19/04
12:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

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IMHO, modern medicine is "incomplete" medicine.

It is only one theory of medicine. I have no problem with
that except that they have now created a monopoly and will
not allow any competition to threaten their strangle hold
on American medicine.

Actually, you have a big problem with it, as you have told
us over and over, since you think the theory is false.

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With fair and balanced competition the American
people would figure out which theory was valid and
which was bogus.

They already have. Yours is bogus.

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Thomas Edison said it very well:

The doctor of the future will nive no medicine, but will
interest his patient in the care of the human frame, in
diet and in the cause and prevention of disease.

Thomas Edison 1847-1931.

Why would anyone care what Thomas Edison said about
medicine? He wasn't any sort of doctor or healer. He
also thought you could insulate against gravity with
some sort of alloy.

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Our modern docs do have the understanding of the cause of
disease and the prevention of disease that existed in 1850
in the US.

Public health conditions are vastly better in the US
than they were in 1850. That's why life expectancy is so
much higher.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

WTF does this thread have to do with Breast implant
obsession?

If you have extra large breasts please state size and
address below.

Size ______________________Qty.________ Firmness____________
Nipple Direction_____

Address________________________________
City____________________________________ Husband's working
hours___________________

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Subject: Re: "lies" vs "errors" From: "Gymmy Bob"
[email hidden] Date: 5/17/04 9:49 PM Eastern
Daylight Time Message-id: <kfmdnRMnRukP9jTdRVn-
[email hidden]>

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Made complete sense to me and I only read it once.

Thanks Gymmy.

We do need to be kind to those who only have the
intelligence of a ripe cucumber like Coleah.

On second thought, maybe that is a rotten cucumber like
Coleah.

DrC PhD

Excuse me but are you a SILICONE OR SALINE BREAST
VICTIM??? OR ARE YOU HERE TO JUST BE A PAIN IN THE ASS AND
ASSULT PEOPLE VERBALLY????? NONE OF THIS [censored] YOU ARE
POSTING HAS A DAMN THING TO DO ABOUT BREAST IMPLANTS OR
THE DISEASES CAUSED BY THEM.

NO MATTER WHAT YOUR PURPOSE IS TO BE HERE THE TRASH NEEDS
TO STOP. THIS IS TO HELP AND SUPPORT SILICONE AND SALINE
BREAST IMPLANT SURVIVORS...AND THEIR FAMILIES....NOT
PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO FOLLOW FROM ANOTHER SITE AND MAKE
NASTY COMMENTS ABOUT ANYONE...AND THAT INCLUDES IMPLYING
JAN IS A LIAR OR A NUTCASE OR ANY OTHER NAME YOU CHOOSE TO
PIN ON HER OR ANY OTHERS OF THIS BOARD. SO BEAT IT AND
LEAVE THE SISTERS ALONE. JOYCE

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Oh sit on it, Grimmy! I don't NEED anything for the RIGHT
to ask a question.

Specifics?

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DrC made a generalized statement. I asked for specifics to
clarify his point of view.

Why?

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What the [censored] IS your problem Slimmy? Too many big words
for you to understand?????

Examples?

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Do you have studies, indicating in any way, you have the
right to

question

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this poster?

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> Modern medicine is a deception

Specifics?

Rich Shewmaker said:

No, not Alzheimer's. Jan's self-reported history and her
behavior clearly show the classic symptoms of
summarization disorder.

Somatization disorder.

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When anyone mentions this disease, Jan stridently denies
its very existence, which is itself a symptom of the
disease. When Jan states for the fiftieth time that
"conventional medicine has no answers," she's admitting
that she has done the usual dance from doctor to doctor
that is characteristic of SD sufferers, searching for a
doctor that will give her a physical diagnosis instead of
telling her truthfully that she has a mental disorder. She
has also (typically) danced from altie quack to altie
quack, but has been more satisfied with them, because each
has diagnosed a physical cause for her discomfort, and
prescribed "therapy" that has provided temporary relief
because of the psychosomatic phenomenon. She even got
relief for awhile by "zapping" her "parasites" with Quack
Hulda's profitable but worthless gadget.

Jan hates conventional medicine because she perceives that
doctors tell her she's crazy. (Doctors do often stigmatize
SD victims, primarily out of the frustration involved in
treating them.) She would rather be told she is poisoned
by her dental restorations than admit that her mind is
causing her to feel ill. Actually, conventional medicine
does offer effective treatment, but the patient must get
beyond denial to accept psychiatric treatment, and it's
unlikely that Jan will ever do so.

I wonder if Jan will ever admit that her symptoms are just
as bad as they ever were before she had all her fillings
removed. It would be difficult for her, because to do so
would be to admit she wasted all that money on a quack,
and would negate her ongoing campaign against amalgam and
mercury in any form.

For a good description of summarization disorder, go here:

nlm.nih.gov000955.htmOpen ↗

Jan says she killfiled me. But if she does read this,
watch her post sites that claim that SD was invented by
evil organized medicine to cover their inability to
treat real diseases that don't fit into the cookbook
form of practice they learned in medical school. Denial
to the end.

--Rich

Summarization Disorder: A psychological condition in which a person reports
physical complaints and symptoms, including aches and pains, and problem
with their digestive system.
rfire.comglossaryofterms.htmOpen ↗

Somatization disorder I have never seen a case of SD in
which there was not a significant personality disorder.
cfsdoc.orgsomat.htmOpen ↗

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"Coleah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ummmm.....I vote for she took herself off medication
that she

desperately

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needs or is permanently brain damaged by Mercury or has
Alzheimer's and can't figure out why people can't follow
her thinking about thinking

about

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thinking stuff.

No, not Alzheimer's. Jan's self-reported history and her
behavior clearly show the classic symptoms of
summarization disorder. When anyone mentions this
disease, Jan stridently denies its very existence, which
is itself a symptom of the disease. When Jan states for
the fiftieth time that "conventional medicine has no
answers," she's admitting that she has done the usual
dance from doctor to doctor that is characteristic of SD
sufferers, searching for a doctor that will give her a
physical diagnosis instead of telling her truthfully that
she has a mental disorder. She has also (typically)
danced from altie quack to altie quack, but has been more
satisfied with them, because each has diagnosed a
physical cause for her discomfort, and prescribed
"therapy" that has provided temporary relief because of
the psychosomatic phenomenon. She even got relief for
awhile by "zapping" her "parasites" with Quack Hulda's
profitable but worthless gadget.

Jan hates conventional medicine because she perceives that
doctors tell

her

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she's crazy. (Doctors do often stigmatize SD victims,
primarily out of the frustration involved in treating
them.) She would rather be told she is poisoned by her
dental restorations than admit that her mind is causing

her

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to feel ill. Actually, conventional medicine does offer
effective

treatment,

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but the patient must get beyond denial to accept
psychiatric treatment,

and

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it's unlikely that Jan will ever do so.

I wonder if Jan will ever admit that her symptoms are just
as bad as they ever were before she had all her fillings
removed. It would be difficult

for

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her, because to do so would be to admit she wasted all
that money on a quack, and would negate her ongoing
campaign against amalgam and mercury

in

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any form.

For a good description of summarization disorder, go here:

nlm.nih.gov000955.htmOpen ↗

Jan says she killfiled me. But if she does read this,
watch her post sites that claim that SD was invented by
evil organized medicine to cover their inability to
treat real diseases that don't fit into the cookbook
form of practice they learned in medical school. Denial
to the end.

--Rich

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Rich Shewmaker said:

No, not Alzheimer's. Jan's self-reported history and her
behavior

clearly

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show the classic symptoms of summarization disorder.

Somatization disorder.

Oops! Damn spellchecker can screw up gobally.

--Rich

"Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Rich Shewmaker said:

No, not Alzheimer's. Jan's self-reported history and her
behavior

clearly

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show the classic symptoms of summarization disorder.

Somatization disorder.

No, not Alzheimer's. Jan's self-reported history and her
behavior clearly show the classic symptoms of somatization
disorder. When anyone mentions this disease, Jan stridently
denies its very existence, which is itself a symptom of the
disease. When Jan states for the fiftieth time that
"conventional medicine has no answers," she's admitting that
she has done the usual dance from doctor to doctor that is
characteristic of SD sufferers, searching for a doctor that
will give her a physical diagnosis instead of telling her
truthfully that she has a mental disorder. She has also
(typically) danced from altie quack to altie quack, but has
been more satisfied with them, because each has diagnosed a
physical cause for her discomfort, and prescribed "therapy"
that has provided temporary relief because of the
psychosomatic phenomenon. She even got relief for awhile by
"zapping" her "parasites" with Quack Hulda's profitable but
worthless gadget.

Jan hates conventional medicine because she perceives that
doctors tell her she's crazy. (Doctors do often stigmatize
SD victims, primarily out of the frustration involved in
treating them.) She would rather be told she is poisoned by
her dental restorations than admit that her mind is causing
her to feel ill. Actually, conventional medicine does offer
effective treatment, but the patient must get beyond denial
to accept psychiatric treatment, and it's unlikely that Jan
will ever do so.

I wonder if Jan will ever admit that her symptoms are just
as bad as they ever were before she had all her fillings
removed. It would be difficult for her, because to do so
would be to admit she wasted all that money on a quack, and
would negate her ongoing campaign against amalgam and
mercury in any form.

For a good description of somatization disorder, go here:

nlm.nih.gov000955.htmOpen ↗

Jan says she killfiled me. But if she does read this, watch
her post sites that claim that SD was invented by evil
organized medicine to cover their inability to treat real
diseases that don't fit into the cookbook form of practice
they learned in medical school. Denial to the end.

--Rich

On Mon, 24 May 2004 20:31:30 GMT, "Coleah" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Summarization Disorder: A psychological condition in which
a person reports physical complaints and symptoms,
including aches and pains, and problem with their digestive
system. rfire.comglossaryofterms.htmOpen ↗

Somatization disorder I have never seen a case of SD in
which there was not a significant personality disorder.
cfsdoc.orgsomat.htmOpen ↗

Jan Drew's case is complicated by the fact that she likely
has a peripheral neuropathy which is a real physical illness
with characteristic symptoms. Apparently her doctors were
unable to determine the cause of her PN. Jan Drew, unable to
accept that there was not a clear reason for her illness,
turned to alternoquacks who will ALWAYS find a cause for ANY
illness. Forget about whether the cause they come up with
has any validity or reliability. What IS important is that
the patient is convinced of the validity.

Jan Drew first became convinced that parasites were the
cause of all her problems. Of course this did not last
long. After reading more of Hulda she became convinced that
it was mercury poisoning. However I am convinced that Jan
DRew NOW realizes that she never had mercury poisoning. And
the reason why I believe this is because Jan deliberately
changed her history to make it appear more likely that she
had mercury poisoning and when I confronted her about her
lie that she did not begin to regain her health until after
her mercury level dropped, Jan responds by making a
personal attack.

And while Jan Drew likely has peripheral neuropathy, the
severity of her symptoms is markedly influenced by
psychologic factors such as worrying about having mercury
poisoning causing her rapid decline and relief that she was
getting the mercury out causing her rapid improvement. It
does not get much more obvious than her history for an
example of how psychologic factors can have dramatic effects
on one's physical health.

Aloha,

Rich

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Oops! Damn spellchecker can screw up gobally.

--Rich

To really screw things up, you need a commuter.

On Mon, 24 May 2004 09:43:02 -1000, "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]>

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Rich Shewmaker said:

No, not Alzheimer's. Jan's self-reported history and
her behavior

clearly

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show the classic symptoms of summarization disorder.

Somatization disorder.

No, not Alzheimer's. Jan's self-reported history and her
behavior clearly show the classic symptoms of somatization
disorder.

While I certainly agree that Jan's symptoms and history
strongly suggest some type of somatization disorder,
the diagnoses of Alzheimers Disease and SD are not
mutually exclusive. In fact I suspect that Jan probably
meets the criteria for several disorders. IOW she has
layered problems.

But the worst of her problems is neither mental nor
physical. Her worst problem is her anger, hatred, and
bigotry that gets spewed regularly in this newsgroup and her
proclivity for disrupting conversations whenever anyone
expresses a view that differs from hers by calling people
liars, member of EOM, Jew Boy, etc.

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When anyone mentions

this disease, Jan stridently denies its very existence,
which is itself a symptom of the disease.

But the definition can get circular. For example if I say
that you have Somatization Disorder and you deny it I can
say that is a symptom of the disorder.

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When Jan states for the fiftieth time that "conventional
medicine has no answers," she's admitting that she has
done the usual dance from doctor to doctor that is
characteristic of SD sufferers, searching for a doctor
that will give her a physical diagnosis instead of telling
her truthfully that she has a mental disorder.

And this is why she is so angry at conventional medicine and
tries to bash it at every opportunity.

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She has also (typically) danced from altie quack to altie
quack, but has been more satisfied with them, because each
has diagnosed a physical cause for her discomfort, and
prescribed "therapy" that has provided temporary relief
because of the psychosomatic phenomenon. She even got
relief for awhile by "zapping" her "parasites" with Quack
Hulda's profitable but worthless gadget.

Not only did she get relief but she said that she thought
that parasites were the explanation for all her problems. Of
course weeks later she thought she was dying of mercury
poisoning after reading about the possibility in a Hulda
Clark book. Jan is clearly very suggestible as evidenced by
the rapid decline in her health followed by equally rapid
improvement within hours of having some amalgams removed.
Placebo responses can indeed be quite dramatic. But alas the
symptom relief is often short lived as evidenced by return
of her symptoms (pain from PN).

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Jan hates conventional medicine because she perceives that
doctors tell her she's crazy. (Doctors do often stigmatize
SD victims, primarily out of the frustration involved in
treating them.) She would rather be told she is poisoned by
her dental restorations than admit that her mind is causing
her to feel ill. Actually, conventional medicine does offer
effective treatment, but the patient must get beyond denial
to accept psychiatric treatment, and it's unlikely that Jan
will ever do so.

Denial of the illness will prevent her from getting help. Of
course once a person stops denying the illness that is 90%
of recovering from
it.

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I wonder if Jan will ever admit that her symptoms are just
as bad as they ever were before she had all her fillings
removed. It would be difficult for her, because to do so
would be to admit she wasted all that money on a quack, and
would negate her ongoing campaign against amalgam and
mercury in any form.

Yes. Cognitive dissonance prevents Jan from accepting that
she got taken to the cleaners.

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For a good description of somatization disorder, go here:

nlm.nih.gov000955.htmOpen ↗

Aloha,

Rich

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Coleah said:

Summarization Disorder: A psychological condition in
which a person

reports

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physical complaints and symptoms, including aches and
pains, and problem with their digestive system.
rfire.comglossaryofterms.htmOpen ↗

Somatization disorder I have never seen a case of SD in
which there was not a significant personality disorder.
cfsdoc.orgsomat.htmOpen ↗

Jan Drew's case is complicated by the fact that she likely
has a peripheral neuropathy which is a real physical
illness with characteristic symptoms. Apparently her
doctors were unable to determine the cause of her PN. Jan
Drew, unable to accept that there was not a clear reason
for her illness, turned to alternoquacks who will ALWAYS
find a cause for ANY illness. Forget about whether the
cause they come up with has any validity or reliability.
What IS important is that the patient is convinced of the
validity.

Yes, and it's amusing that the quacks' diagnoses of the
causes always seem to be the very disorder that their own
brand of quackery treats. If they sell zappers, the problem
is parasites. If they are chiropractors, the disorder is a
subluxation. If they replace fillings, the diagnosis is
mercury toxicity. And so on.

--Rich