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  1. Quoted message said:

    Subject: The Harm That Anti-Amalgam Liars Do
    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]
    Date: 5/8/2004 3:35 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Here's an example of the sort of harm caused by those who
    propagate myths about amalgam's alleged harmful effects:

    And here is the repeated being repeated again.

    From: Mark Thorson ([email hidden]) Subject: The Harm That
    Anti-Amalgam Liars Do View: Complete Thread (4 articles)
    Original Format Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date:
    2004-03-20 15:35:10 PST

    From: Mark Thorson ([email hidden]) Subject: The Harm That
    Anti-Amalgam Liars Do View: Complete Thread (2 articles)
    Original Format Newsgroups: sci.chem Date: 2003-08-05
    00:00:04 PST

    This one sent to alt test

    Lines: 16 X-Admin: [email hidden] From:
    [email hidden] (DEBBEE1023) Newsgroups: alt.test
    Date: 08 Feb 2003 08:05:26 GMT References:
    <[email hidden]> Organization: AOL
    aol.comaol.com Subject: Re: The Harm That Anti-Amalgam
    Liars Do by Mark Thorson Message-ID: <20030208030526.23432.00000191@mb-
    da.aol.com>

    Another one to alt test

    Search Result 4 From: Anth ([email hidden]) Subject: Re: The
    Harm That Anti-Amalgam Liars Do This is the only article in
    this thread View: Original Format Newsgroups: alt.test Date:
    2003-08-05 12:20:01 PST

    I had all my amalgams removed and I feel greaaat! (I felt
    just as great before I had them removed) Anth

    "Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Here's an example of the sort of harm caused by those who
    propagate myths about amalgam's alleged harmful effects:


    From: Mark Thorson ([email hidden]) Subject: Terrible Harm
    Caused By Anti-Amalgam Liars Newsgroups:
    misc.health.alternative Date: 2002-12-03 17:50:16 PST

    From: Mark Thorson ([email hidden]) Subject: The Harm
    Caused By Anti-Amalgam Liars Newsgroups:
    misc.health.alternative, sci.med.dentistry Date: 2002-07-27
    19:30:05 PST

    From: Mark Thorson ([email hidden]) Subject: The Harm
    Caused By Anti-Amalgam Liars Newsgroups:
    misc.health.alternative, sci.med.dentistry Date: 2002-07-27
    19:30:05 PST

    From: Mark Thorson ([email hidden]) Subject: Re: Example
    of Harm Caused By Anti-Amalgam Liars View: Complete Thread
    (10 articles) Original Format Newsgroups:
    misc.health.alternative Date: 2003-12-25 14:55:10 PST

    From: Mark Thorson ([email hidden]) Subject: Anti-Amalgam
    Liars Cause Terrible Harm This is the only article in this
    thread View: Original Format Newsgroups:
    misc.health.alternative Date: 2002-11-01 22:45:08 PST

    Note this one went to alt test

    From: Anth ([email hidden]) Subject: Re: The Harm Caused By
    Anti-Amalgam Liars This is the only article in this thread
    View: Original Format Newsgroups: alt.test Date: 2003-06-29
    11:00:23 PST

    I had 4-5 amalgams replaced with white composite, and about
    6 other white fillings done. I suffered a little pain which
    settled down after a few months. Anth

    "Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Here's an example of the sort of harm caused by those who
    propagate myths about amalgam's alleged harmful effects:

    From: Mark Thorson ([email hidden]) Subject: Pain and
    Suffering Caused By Anti-Amalgam Liars View: Complete Thread
    (2 articles) Original Format Newsgroups:
    misc.health.alternative Date: 2003-01-03 19:15:01 PST

    ===

    Subject: The Harm That Anti-Amalgam Liars Do

    Mark is so desperate to be a lackey for Barrett, he doesn't
    realize the problem was in not following correct protocol.

    Do NOT have the metal removed by a MAINSTREAM destist who
    does NOT follow correct protocol.

    Quoted message said:

    The other problem is that they talked me into having all 4
    quadrants of my


    teeth done the same week - in 4 consecutive days. This was
    probably the biggest mistake we made.

    B I N G O!

    Correct Protocol

    testfoundation.comamalgremove.htm

    zip.com.auAmalRemProc.html

    curezone.comdental amalgam.asp

    ccrlab.comccrlab.com

    holisticmed.comiaomt.txt

    holisticmed.comamalgam

    naturomedbc.comdentistprotocol.htm

    envirodental.co.ukiaomtrmv.asp

    hugnet.comprotocol.html

    biologicaldent.comcenter for biological dentist
    ry/protocols.html

    mercuryfilling.commercuryfilling.com (bottom of URL and click
    protocols)

    Dentist: How To Replace Amalgam Fillings, mercury health
    risk Once the removal has begun, the mercury vapor will be
    continuously released from the tooth. During the removal or
    placement of amalgam the patient can be exposed to amounts
    which are a thousand times greater than the EPA allowable
    concentration.

    Protocol for Amalgam-Mercury-Silver Filling Removal

    By

    International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology HOME -
    Health Dental Risk Page - CANCER Page - Amalgam Replacement
    Protocol - Disclaimer

    PATIENT PROTECTION

    First in every concerned doctor's mind is the protection of
    the patient from additional exposure to mercury. This is
    especially true of the mercury toxic patient. The mercury
    toxic patient may have been exposed to varying amounts of
    mercury from diet, environment, employment or from
    mercury/silver dental fillings. All forms are cumulative and
    can contribute to the body burden. The goal of this
    preferred procedure is to minimize any additional exposure
    of the patient, ourselves, or staff to mercury.

    During chewing the patient is exposed to intraoral levels
    which are several times the EPA allowable air concentration.
    2 During the removal or placement of amalgam the patient can
    be exposed to amounts which are a thousand times greater
    than the EPA allowable concentration.3 Once the drill
    touches the filling temperature increases immediately
    vaporizing the mercury component of the alloy. There are 8
    steps to greatly reducing everyone's exposure.

    1. Keep the fillings cool

    All removal must be done under cold water spray with copious
    amounts of water. Once the removal has begun, the mercury
    vapor will be continuously released from the tooth.

    2. Use a high volume evacuator

    Therefore, a high volume evacuator tip should be kept near
    the tooth (1/2 inch) at all times to evacuate this vapor
    from the area of the patient. Polishing amalgam can create
    very dangerous levels of mercury and should be avoided
    especially for the mercury toxic patient.

    3. Provide an alternative air source

    All patients having amalgam removed or placed should be
    provided with an alternative air source and instructed to
    not breathe through their mouth during treatment. A nasal
    hood such as is used with the nitrous oxide analgesia
    equipment is excellent. Air is best and oxygen is acceptable
    although not required. If just air is used it should be
    clean and free of mercury vapor preferably from outside the
    dental office.

    4. Immediately dispose of the mercury alloy

    Particles of mercury alloy should be washed and vacuumed
    away as soon as they are generated. The filling should be
    sectioned and removed in large pieces to reduce exposure.

    At present the International Academy of Oral Medicine and
    Toxicology (IAOMT) has approved removal both with and
    without the use of a rubber dam. Some evidence exist to
    support both views since high levels of mercury and amalgam
    particles can be found under the dam. All members are agreed
    that whether or not a rubber dam is used the patient should
    be instructed to not breathe through their mouth or swallow
    the particles. Some experts feel that it is better to remove
    the amalgam first and then apply the dam if needed for
    restorative procedures.

    5. Lavage, and change gloves

    After the fillings have been removed, take off the rubber
    dam if one was used and lavage the patients mouth for at
    least 30 seconds with cold water and vacuum. Remove your
    gloves and replace them with a new pair. If a restorative
    procedure is next then reapply a new dam and proceed.

    6. Immediately clean patient

    Immediately change patient's protective wear and clean
    their face.

    7. Consider nutritional support

    Consider appropriate nutritional support before, during and
    after removal.

    8. Keep room air pure

    Install room air purifiers or ionizers and fans for
    everyone's well being.

    STAFF PROTECTION

    OSHA4 5 requires that employees be given written informed
    consent before the use of any toxic chemicals of which
    mercury is one. Elemental mercury vapor is one of the most
    toxic forms of mercury and should not breathed. Women of
    child bearing age should be exposed to no more than 10% of
    the OSHA MAC6. Women who are pregnant should be exposed to
    no mercury.7 If you use mercury or remove mercury in any
    form the National Institute of Occupational Safety and
    Health (NIOSH) has recommended that your employees be
    medically monitored annually.

    ANY MERCURY EXPOSURE REQUIRES THAT THE EMPLOYEE WEAR AN
    APPROVED MERCURY FILTER MASK.

    An approved mask is appropriate for wearing during all
    dental procedures which will expose you or your staff
    to mercury.8

    The manner in which dentists operate their equipment
    dramatically affects the amount of mercury released. Never
    drill on mercury high dry. It is hazardous to you, your
    staff, and your patient. Levels as high as 4000 m g/M3 have
    been measured 18" from the drill when used high dry. Levels
    over 1000 m g/M3 are measurable upon opening an amalgam
    mixing capsule.

    One out of 7 California dental offices tested over the OSHA
    TWA of 50 m g/M 3 . 100% of the vacuum cleaner exhaust
    tested over 100 m g/M 3 . Any office where mercury is used
    should be tested regularly and staff should be monitored for
    exposure. Testing services are available and a mercury
    sensor badge is available for personnel monitoring. They
    should test inside storage areas and along baseboards where
    mercury might have dropped. Office spills can go undetected
    for years and are extremely hazardous.

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    REFERENCES

    1 IAOMT Standards of Care Preferred Procedure Approved
    9/27/92

    2 EPA United States Environmental Protection Agency Office
    of Health and Environment Assessment Mercury health effects
    update Final Report EPA-600/8-84-019F 1971 EPA

    3 Cooley RL, Barkmeier WW: Mercury vapor emitted
    during ultraspeed cutting of amalgam. J Indiana Dent
    Assoc 57:28-31, 1978

    4 OSHA Job Health Series: Mercury.(2234)8/1975

    5 Hazard Communication Program Federal Register/ Vol. 52.
    No. 163 / Monday, August 24, 1987

    6 OSHA MAC is Threshold Limit Value of 100 micrograms/ cubic
    meter or 100 PPM This is a never to be exceeded standard.

    7 Koos BJ and Lango LD , Mercury Toxicity in the pregnant
    woman, fetus, and newborn infant. A review Am J Obstetrics
    and Gynecology 126(3):390-409, 1976

    8 Mine Safety Association high levels and 3M mercury dust
    mask lower levels

  2. Are you trying to draw attention away from this?

    To see Jan's ORIGINAL POSTING, go here:w.google.com/groups?selm=20040310000815.25804.00001173%40mb-
    m01.aol.com

    Jan said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]

    Instead of responding to what you say, Jan is trying to
    discredit you by making insinuations about who you are or
    what your motives may be.

    Soon, she may accuse you of being on the payroll of the
    pharmaceutical companies, etc. That's the way Jan works.

    That would be ANOTHER LIE from Mark Thorson. I have
    NEVER accused


    anyone of

    Quoted message said:

    any such thing.

    So do prove your claim Mark!!!!!

    You can't YOU JUST LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!

    ----- example quotes of Jan accusing people of being paid
    shills -----

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030415173745.18794.00000646%40mb-
    fn.aol.com

    Any time alt. health is mentioned the personal trashing
    starts. Mostly comes from paid shill Mark Probert.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030412210802.08778.00000680%40mb-
    fw.aol.com

    Internet bully Mark Probert who is a paid shill and lives
    off his wife.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030410170838.14245.00000347%40mb-
    ct.aol.com

    As for Mark, he is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030325123827.25124.00000246%40mb-
    mn.aol.com

    As long as Mark is here, the paid shill will call names
    when in fact he is the one who is a bigot. Speaking of his
    own people.

  3. Are you trying to draw attention away from this?

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20040308232333.10197.00001082%40mb-
    m03.aol.com

    Quoted message said:

    I hate no one.

    The hatred shown here just happens to come from those who
    are Jews and atheists.

    Jan

    Oh? Your use of slurs against Jews and people you believe to
    be gay is not evidence of your hatred and bigotry?

    ------- begin examples of Jan's hatred and bigotry -------

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20020505002125.00763.00008303%40mb-
    bg.aol.com

    What's the big deal? Calling you a jew boy was exactly
    because you are a jew. The same as you calling me a
    methodist or baptist girl. It doesn't even come close to all
    the names you have called and your constant trash talk.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20020504003536.28298.00007240%40mb-
    fe.aol.com

    Little do you know anything about the *10
    Commandments* Jew Boy.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20040303001549.02894.00000796%40mb-
    m15.aol.com

    I think you [censored] experience has screwed up your brain.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20031117003007.12215.00000318%40mb-
    m25.aol.com

    In your queer mind. In fact NOTHING you said was true.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20031112010030.13980.00000058%40mb-
    m15.aol.com

    Killfile them both is the only answer. They are both
    quite *queer*.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030322221641.09630.00000041%40mb-
    mf.aol.com

    How sad. And STUPID. And QUEER.

  4. Mark Thorson <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Are you trying to draw attention away from this?

    <snip>

    I can see not necessarily conclusive but concrete evidence
    of posters here who work at pharmaceutical companies, for
    example Agouron Pharmaceuticals.

    Quoted message said:

    Path: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-
    senetserver.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-
    for-mail Message-ID: <[email hidden]> From:
    Mark Thorson <[email hidden]> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]
    (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Subject: Jan Can't
    Prove Her Accusations References: <20040508224015.10186.00001153@mb-
    m15.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 57 Date: Sun, 09
    May 2004 02:46:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.148.114.163
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    May 2004 02:50:06 GMT (bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net)

  5. John Doe said:

    Mark Thorson <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Are you trying to draw attention away from this?

    <snip>

    I can see not necessarily conclusive but concrete evidence
    of posters here who work at pharmaceutical companies, for
    example Agouron Pharmaceuticals.

    What are you talking about? The Illuminati doesn't own
    them, do we?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Path: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-
    netserver.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-
    for-mail Message-ID: <[email hidden]> From:
    Mark Thorson <[email hidden]> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6
    [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Subject: Jan Can't
    Prove Her Accusations References: <20040508224015.10186.00001153@mb-
    m15.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 57 Date: Sun, 09
    May 2004 02:46:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.148.114.163
    X-Complaints-To: [email hidden] X-Trace:
    typhoon.sonic.net 1084070783 209.148.114.163 (Sat, 08
    May 2004 19:46:23 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 May
    2004 19:46:23 PDT Xref: wnmaster11
    misc.health.alternative:379617 X-Received-Date: Sun, 09
    May 2004 02:50:06 GMT (bgtnsc05-
    news.ops.worldnet.att.net)

    If I should the header for your posting, does that mean I
    can hint darkly that you're an agent of unseen powers?

  6. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Jan Can't Prove Her Accusations
    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]
    Date: 5/8/2004 6:46 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Are you trying to draw attention away from this?

    March 9th.

    tinyurl.com39bym

  7. << Oh? Your use of slurs against Jews and people you believe
    to be gay is not evidence of your hatred and bigotry? >>

    If you are going to point your fingers at Jan, point
    them back at yourself because you are filled with
    hatred, and not love. Fear mongering. Those that
    fear, cannot love. You do a fine job of fear
    mongering here....Thorson. It would be a treat
    sometime to find a post here from you that
    demonstrated love, Thorson.

    "If you're gonna walk on thin ice, you may as well dance."
    (Jessie Winchester).

  8. Why don't you post an ORIGINAL STATEMENT made by me
    which is a LIE?

    Why don't you do that, Jan?

    You've frequently accused me of lying, but you've never been
    able to post even one example of an original statement made
    by me which is a lie.

    You know what an ORIGINAL STATEMENT which is a LIE looks
    like, don't you Jan? Do I need to show you an example?

    To see Jan's ORIGINAL POSTING, go here:w.google.com/groups?selm=20040310000815.25804.00001173%40mb-
    m01.aol.com

    Jan said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]

    Instead of responding to what you say, Jan is trying to
    discredit you by making insinuations about who you are or
    what your motives may be.

    Soon, she may accuse you of being on the payroll of the
    pharmaceutical companies, etc. That's the way Jan works.

    That would be ANOTHER LIE from Mark Thorson. I have
    NEVER accused


    anyone of

    Quoted message said:

    any such thing.

    So do prove your claim Mark!!!!!

    You can't YOU JUST LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!

    ----- example quotes of Jan accusing people of being paid
    shills -----

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030415173745.18794.00000646%40mb-
    fn.aol.com

    Any time alt. health is mentioned the personal trashing
    starts. Mostly comes from paid shill Mark Probert.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030412210802.08778.00000680%40mb-
    fw.aol.com

    Internet bully Mark Probert who is a paid shill and lives
    off his wife.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030410170838.14245.00000347%40mb-
    ct.aol.com

    As for Mark, he is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030325123827.25124.00000246%40mb-
    mn.aol.com

    As long as Mark is here, the paid shill will call names
    when in fact he is the one who is a bigot. Speaking of his
    own people.

  9. DEBBEE1023 said:

    If you are going to point your fingers at Jan,
    point them back at yourself because you are filled
    with hatred, and not love.

    No, I'm not. If you think you can prove it, go ahead and
    try.

    On the other hand, I can PROVE that Jan is motivated by hate
    and bigotry through HER OWN WORDS!

    ------- begin examples of Jan's hatred and bigotry -------

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20020505002125.00763.00008303%40mb-
    bg.aol.com

    What's the big deal? Calling you a jew boy was exactly
    because you are a jew. The same as you calling me a
    methodist or baptist girl. It doesn't even come close to all
    the names you have called and your constant trash talk.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20020504003536.28298.00007240%40mb-
    fe.aol.com

    Little do you know anything about the *10
    Commandments* Jew Boy.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20040303001549.02894.00000796%40mb-
    m15.aol.com

    I think you [censored] experience has screwed up your brain.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20031117003007.12215.00000318%40mb-
    m25.aol.com

    In your queer mind. In fact NOTHING you said was true.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20031112010030.13980.00000058%40mb-
    m15.aol.com

    Killfile them both is the only answer. They are both
    quite *queer*.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030322221641.09630.00000041%40mb-
    mf.aol.com

    How sad. And STUPID. And QUEER.

  10. (Jan) said:

    And here is the repeated being repeated again.

    Yes, day for day, in his paranoia Jan Drew dumps truckloads
    of rubbish, insults, lies, and advertisements for
    charlatanism and quackery into the net.

    geocities.comQuackery.html

    To fall for the lies of Jan Drew can be a terrible risk for
    the life of you and your children.

    Regards,

    Aribert Deckers
    --
    Aktion "Hilfe für Florian und andere"
    Gemeinsam gegen Leukämie

    kinderkrebshilfe-kinderkrebshilfe-
    ophoven.de/docs/typisfly2004.htm

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