Ascorbate results?

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Cook, declined the artificial statin in mid-April of 2002 following emergency triple bypass
surgery. Instead, he began Tower Heart Technology after watching a video of Nobelist Linus Pauling
explaining the value of vitamin C for cardiovascular disease. William had his first heart attack

on

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March 17, 2002 and a second 10 days later on March 27, 2002. In December

of

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2001 prior to his heart attacks, Bill's numbers had been Cholesterol 242

and

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LDL Cholesterol 163.

Cook and long-time friend Sally Jewell had both worried about their decision, but they became
jubilant after the blood tests results came in,

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To our wonderment and surprise, in 8 months his cholesterol had dropped

from

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246 to 164 and his LDL cholesterol had dropped from 163 to 101, all on 2 jars of Tower Heart
Technology per month, plus 2,000 mg. additional

vitamin

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C as ascorbic acid."

Anth

A good example of the problem with anecdote/testimonial. We are not told whether he followed the
advice regarding diet and exercise that all such patients are given. We are left uncertain whether
supplements containing nicotinic acid might also have been taken.

Testimonial/ anecdote, as wholeheartedly endorsed by "alternative" medicine, is not a very effective
instrument for the advancement of medical knowledge. Medicine does make use of anecdotal data, but
in a much more sophisticated form.

Peter Moran

Waiting for this paper to be released (if it ever will be)

Trial on Lp(a) using 6000 mg Vitamin C, 6000 mg Lysine & 800 IU Vitamin E

Anth

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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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prweb.comprweb102812.phpOpen ↗

Cook, declined the artificial statin in mid-April of 2002 following emergency triple bypass
surgery. Instead, he began Tower Heart

Technology

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after watching a video of Nobelist Linus Pauling explaining the value of vitamin C for
cardiovascular disease. William had his first heart attack

on

Quoted message said:

March 17, 2002 and a second 10 days later on March 27, 2002. In December

of

Quoted message said:

2001 prior to his heart attacks, Bill's numbers had been Cholesterol 242

and

Quoted message said:

LDL Cholesterol 163.

Cook and long-time friend Sally Jewell had both worried about their decision, but they became
jubilant after the blood tests results came

in,

Quoted message said:

"

Quoted message said:

To our wonderment and surprise, in 8 months his cholesterol had dropped

from

Quoted message said:

246 to 164 and his LDL cholesterol had dropped from 163 to 101, all on 2 jars of Tower Heart
Technology per month, plus 2,000 mg. additional

vitamin

Quoted message said:

C as ascorbic acid."

Anth

A good example of the problem with anecdote/testimonial. We are not told whether he followed the
advice regarding diet and exercise that all such patients are given. We are left uncertain whether
supplements

containing

Quoted message said:

nicotinic acid might also have been taken.

Testimonial/ anecdote, as wholeheartedly endorsed by "alternative"

medicine,

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is not a very effective instrument for the advancement of medical knowledge. Medicine does make
use of anecdotal data, but in a much more sophisticated form.

Peter Moran

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Subject: Re: Ascorbate results? From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date: 2/6/2004 2:01 PM
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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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prweb.comprweb102812.phpOpen ↗

Cook, declined the artificial statin in mid-April of 2002 following emergency triple bypass
surgery. Instead, he began Tower Heart Technology after watching a video of Nobelist Linus
Pauling explaining the value of vitamin C for cardiovascular disease. William had his first
heart attack

on

Quoted message said:

March 17, 2002 and a second 10 days later on March 27, 2002. In December

of

Quoted message said:

2001 prior to his heart attacks, Bill's numbers had been Cholesterol 242

and

Quoted message said:

LDL Cholesterol 163.

Cook and long-time friend Sally Jewell had both worried about their decision, but they became
jubilant after the blood tests results came in,

"

Quoted message said:

To our wonderment and surprise, in 8 months his cholesterol had dropped

from

Quoted message said:

246 to 164 and his LDL cholesterol had dropped from 163 to 101, all on 2 jars of Tower Heart
Technology per month, plus 2,000 mg. additional

vitamin

Quoted message said:

C as ascorbic acid."

Anth

A good example of the problem with anecdote/testimonial. We are not told whether he followed the
advice regarding diet and exercise that all such patients are given. We are left uncertain whether
supplements containing nicotinic acid might also have been taken.

Testimonial/ anecdote, as wholeheartedly endorsed by "alternative" medicine, is not a very
effective instrument for the advancement of medical knowledge. Medicine does make use of anecdotal
data, but in a much more sophisticated form.

Peter Moran

You have just seen an example of why alternative medicine just keeps growing.

Peter, doesn't know it, but people are fed up with this kind of garbage.

Sophisticated form=denial of REAL diseases.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Ascorbate results? From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date: 2/6/2004 2:01 PM
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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Cook, declined the artificial statin in mid-April of 2002 following emergency triple bypass
surgery. Instead, he began Tower Heart

Technology

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after watching a video of Nobelist Linus Pauling explaining the value

of

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vitamin C for cardiovascular disease. William had his first heart

attack

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on

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March 17, 2002 and a second 10 days later on March 27, 2002. In

December

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of

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2001 prior to his heart attacks, Bill's numbers had been Cholesterol

242

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and

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LDL Cholesterol 163.

Cook and long-time friend Sally Jewell had both worried about their decision, but they became
jubilant after the blood tests results came

in,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"

Quoted message said:

To our wonderment and surprise, in 8 months his cholesterol had dropped

from

Quoted message said:

246 to 164 and his LDL cholesterol had dropped from 163 to 101, all on

2

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jars of Tower Heart Technology per month, plus 2,000 mg. additional

vitamin

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C as ascorbic acid."

Anth

A good example of the problem with anecdote/testimonial. We are not

told

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

whether he followed the advice regarding diet and exercise that all such patients are given. We
are left uncertain whether supplements

containing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

nicotinic acid might also have been taken.

Testimonial/ anecdote, as wholeheartedly endorsed by "alternative"

medicine,

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is not a very effective instrument for the advancement of medical knowledge. Medicine does make
use of anecdotal data, but in a much

more

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sophisticated form.

Peter Moran

You have just seen an example of why alternative medicine just keeps

growing.

Studies show that people will exert their right to try out treatments that have a very small chance
of working. That's fine. That is their prerogative and I am not targeting them, or even you, except
when you defend the indefensible or are being more than usually offensive..

I do complain about those peddling junk medicines. I think they know exactly what they are doing
when they make up or exploit testimonial and anecdotal evidence. They are following a long and
illustrious line of snake oil salesmen.

That is why the number of persons making a living out of offering unproven, dubious, experimental
and even ridiculous remedies to the public is indeed "growing". by the day.

Admit it. How can you know what to trust when any old nonsense accumulates its own encrustation of
testimonial?

Peter Moran

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Peter, doesn't know it, but people are fed up with this kind of garbage.

Sophisticated form=denial of REAL diseases.

Jan

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<< That is why the number of persons making a living out of offering

unproven,

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dubious, experimental and even ridiculous remedies to the public is

indeed

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"growing". by the day. >>

And what part of your living do you make by posting the information that

you

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do?

Oh, come on! Even Ilena doesn't truly believe it when she makes such accusations. It's part of the
rhetoric: a ploy to avoid having to look at, and respond to the facts.

Peter Moran

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Testimonial/ anecdote, as wholeheartedly endorsed by "alternative" medicine, is not a very
effective instrument for the advancement of medical knowledge. Medicine does make use of anecdotal
data, but in a much more sophisticated form.

True, but very sophisticated errors can creep in. The current consensus is that "money" is the big
major super-source of these hyper-sophisticated and extremely convoluted errors.

As a whole, we all can see past that, and we don't want to put all our eggs in one basket, that's
why you will see so many chiropractitioners, herbalists and other alties doing rather well in any
US town...

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"Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Testimonial/ anecdote, as wholeheartedly endorsed by "alternative"

medicine,

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is not a very effective instrument for the advancement of medical knowledge. Medicine does make
use of anecdotal data, but in a much

more

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sophisticated form.

True, but very sophisticated errors can creep in. The current consensus is that "money" is the big
major super-source of these hyper-sophisticated and extremely convoluted errors.

There is NO current consensus, except that this is pure parnoid drivel.

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As a whole, we all can see past that, and we don't want to put all our eggs in one basket, that's
why you will see so many chiropractitioners, herbalists and other alties doing rather well in any
US town...

Ask P.T. Barnum why.

"Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news

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Oh, come on! Even Ilena doesn't truly believe it when she makes such accusations. It's part of the
rhetoric: a ploy to avoid having to look at, and respond to the facts.

Peter, I hardly know who you are ...

But you are no authority to speak for me in any way whatsoever ... are you a member of Barrett's
Healthfraud list also?

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"Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news

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Oh, come on! Even Ilena doesn't truly believe it when she makes such accusations. It's part of
the rhetoric: a ploy to avoid having to look

at,

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and respond to the facts.

Peter, I hardly know who you are ...

Which makes my case. You and others often make such allegations about strangers on the Internet,
instead of bothering to deal with what they say.

Peter Moran

"Peter Moran" <[email hidden]>

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Peter, I hardly know who you are ...

Are you one of Barrett's HealthFrauds, you failed to answer my question.