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  1. The meal
    ========
    Mango-a-go-go Jamba Juice (16oz, 100 grams of carb, 350 Cals) & Thick large slice of Lemon Bundt
    Cake Trader Joe's Pasta, Trader Joe's Veggie Burger (only the patty, no buns), 1 large Slice of
    white sourdough bread, one serving of beans

    Whole-blood tests on a OneTouch meter
    =====================================
    Level 6:05pm -- 70 Meal 6:05pm -- Meal Started Meal 6:20pm -- Meal Concluded Level 6:35pm -- 156
    Level 6:55pm -- 189 Level 7:05pm -- 202 <<<<<<<<<<<< Maximum Level 7:20pm -- 185 <<<<<<<<<<<< One
    Hour Level 7:35pm -- 186 Level 7:55pm -- 179 Level 8:15pm -- 149 <<<<<<<<<<<< Two Hours Level 8:40pm
    -- 136 Level 8:55pm -- 144 Level 9:20pm -- 126 <<<<<<<<<<<< Three Hours Level 9:50pm -- 123 Level
    10:20pm -- 112 <<<<<<<<<<<< Four Hours

    Is this diabetic? Or prediabetic? I am planning to go to my doctor within next 2-3 weeks (don't want
    to go by myself and my SO is travelling).

  2. those numbers are quite high. you should go immediately to the doc. When I was diagnosed back in
    1978, I had numbers in the 200's and was placed on insulin the next DAY! Get thee to a doctor now
    for a proper work up.

    dave

    carterjp said:

    The meal
    ========
    Mango-a-go-go Jamba Juice (16oz, 100 grams of carb, 350 Cals) & Thick large slice of Lemon Bundt
    Cake Trader Joe's Pasta, Trader Joe's Veggie Burger (only the patty, no buns), 1 large Slice of
    white sourdough bread, one serving of beans

    Whole-blood tests on a OneTouch meter
    =====================================
    Level 6:05pm -- 70 Meal 6:05pm -- Meal Started Meal 6:20pm -- Meal Concluded Level 6:35pm -- 156
    Level 6:55pm -- 189 Level 7:05pm -- 202 <<<<<<<<<<<< Maximum Level 7:20pm -- 185 <<<<<<<<<<<< One
    Hour Level 7:35pm -- 186 Level 7:55pm -- 179 Level 8:15pm -- 149 <<<<<<<<<<<< Two Hours Level
    8:40pm -- 136 Level 8:55pm -- 144 Level 9:20pm -- 126 <<<<<<<<<<<< Three Hours Level 9:50pm -- 123
    Level 10:20pm -- 112 <<<<<<<<<<<< Four Hours

    Is this diabetic? Or prediabetic? I am planning to go to my doctor within next 2-3 weeks (don't
    want to go by myself and my SO is travelling).

  3. On 23 Jan 2004 23:03:42 -0800, [email hidden]

    (carterjp) said:

    The meal
    ========
    Mango-a-go-go Jamba Juice (16oz, 100 grams of carb, 350 Cals) & Thick large slice of Lemon Bundt
    Cake Trader Joe's Pasta, Trader Joe's Veggie Burger (only the patty, no buns), 1 large Slice of
    white sourdough bread, one serving of beans

    Whole-blood tests on a OneTouch meter
    =====================================
    Level 6:05pm -- 70 Meal 6:05pm -- Meal Started Meal 6:20pm -- Meal Concluded Level 6:35pm -- 156
    Level 6:55pm -- 189 Level 7:05pm -- 202 <<<<<<<<<<<< Maximum Level 7:20pm -- 185 <<<<<<<<<<<< One
    Hour Level 7:35pm -- 186 Level 7:55pm -- 179 Level 8:15pm -- 149 <<<<<<<<<<<< Two Hours Level
    8:40pm -- 136 Level 8:55pm -- 144 Level 9:20pm -- 126 <<<<<<<<<<<< Three Hours Level 9:50pm -- 123
    Level 10:20pm -- 112 <<<<<<<<<<<< Four Hours

    Is this diabetic? Or prediabetic? I am planning to go to my doctor within next 2-3 weeks (don't
    want to go by myself and my SO is travelling).

    Given the meal type [which I would not have had] and the readings then I would be worried. Please go
    see your doctor and take a sample of these readings with you. Do a day's worth. In the meantime it
    might be worth your while reducing meal volume and restricting carbs.

    HTH

    Pete

    Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
    + Asprin 210lbs at Dx to BMI 166lbs achieved. To mail: aspen at freeuk.com

  4. (carterjp) said:

    The meal
    ========
    Mango-a-go-go Jamba Juice (16oz, 100 grams of carb, 350 Cals) & Thick large slice of Lemon Bundt
    Cake Trader Joe's Pasta, Trader Joe's Veggie Burger (only the patty, no buns), 1 large Slice of
    white sourdough bread, one serving of beans

    Whole-blood tests on a OneTouch meter
    =====================================
    Level 6:05pm -- 70 Meal 6:05pm -- Meal Started Meal 6:20pm -- Meal Concluded Level 6:35pm -- 156
    Level 6:55pm -- 189 Level 7:05pm -- 202 <<<<<<<<<<<< Maximum Level 7:20pm -- 185 <<<<<<<<<<<< One
    Hour Level 7:35pm -- 186 Level 7:55pm -- 179 Level 8:15pm -- 149 <<<<<<<<<<<< Two Hours Level
    8:40pm -- 136 Level 8:55pm -- 144 Level 9:20pm -- 126 <<<<<<<<<<<< Three Hours Level 9:50pm -- 123
    Level 10:20pm -- 112 <<<<<<<<<<<< Four Hours

    Is this diabetic? Or prediabetic? I am planning to go to my doctor within next 2-3 weeks (don't
    want to go by myself and my SO is travelling).

    I would say you were diabetic since your values are >120. But go to your doctor to find out for
    sure. A meal as such would put me at 400+. Don't play with this disease, it can get real nasty if
    left uncontrolled.

    _____________________________________________
    tcainternet.comindex.html

  5. carterjp wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    The meal
    ========
    Mango-a-go-go Jamba Juice (16oz, 100 grams of carb, 350 Cals) & Thick large slice of Lemon Bundt
    Cake Trader Joe's Pasta, Trader Joe's Veggie Burger (only the patty, no buns), 1 large Slice of
    white sourdough bread, one serving of beans

    Whole-blood tests on a OneTouch meter
    =====================================
    Level 6:05pm -- 70 Meal 6:05pm -- Meal Started Meal 6:20pm -- Meal Concluded Level 6:35pm -- 156
    Level 6:55pm -- 189 Level 7:05pm -- 202 <<<<<<<<<<<< Maximum Level 7:20pm -- 185 <<<<<<<<<<<< One
    Hour Level 7:35pm -- 186 Level 7:55pm -- 179 Level 8:15pm -- 149 <<<<<<<<<<<< Two Hours Level
    8:40pm -- 136 Level 8:55pm -- 144 Level 9:20pm -- 126 <<<<<<<<<<<< Three Hours Level 9:50pm -- 123
    Level 10:20pm -- 112 <<<<<<<<<<<< Four Hours

    Is this diabetic? Or prediabetic? I am planning to go to my doctor within next 2-3 weeks (don't
    want to go by myself and my SO is travelling).

    Those are diabetic numbers. You appear to be well along the Standard Type 2 Diabetic Progression.

    You are probably at a place in the Standard Progression where the docs think it seems to be
    accelerating (getting "worse" fast).

    Whether or not your doc gives you a formal diagnosis of "Diabetic" is very arbitrary. The current
    definition of blood sugars high enough to classified as Diabetes is put together by committees
    composed of folks with differing agendas. It changes constantly. The bare fact is that you are well
    along the Progression. (BTW: I have often tested folks at work as a favor to see if they might be
    diabetic. Nobody has every broken 100 !)

    You really want to freeze your position in the Progression, or at least slow your "progress". If you
    just let things sort of slide and put a half-hearted effort into controlling the disease, you end up
    needing large amounts of insulin, many insulin shots each day and many pills, while experiencing
    very poor health, pain, and a good chance of dying young.

    There is a "shopping basket" full of things you can do to freeze your position or slow your
    progress. They are:

    a. Lose fat lb
    b. Gain muscle lb
    c. Exercise vigorously every day
    d. Ration your carbohydrate (not just sugar, all carbs). Eat slowly-digesting carb, split your
    total daily carb into several small meals
    e. Take the Insulin-Resistance meds metformin (Glucophage) and (Actos or Avandia)
    f. Take a supplemental insulin shot or shots(2?) daily even if it seems you don't need the help
    to control blood sugars.

    None of those are any fun. However, the more of them you can make part of your life, the better your
    odds of missing most or all of the very unpleasant consequences of the disease.

    The Bernstein book (Dr Bernstin's Diabetic Solution) has a lot of the better advice for Type 2
    diabetics.

    Sorry, more bad news:

    Folks in your position often have had some hidden damage from the disease as it was progressing to
    noticeable elevated blood sugars.

    It raises blood pressure and really screws up you cholesterol, (especially triglycerides).

    Make certain your doc looks at both blood pressure and your "lipid panel" (the cholesterols and
    triglycerides numbers)

    Folks in the Type 2 Diabetic Progression must aim for lower b.p. and lipid numbers than the rest of
    the population. The standard wisdom is to use ACE or ARB blood pressure meds earlier and with
    tougher targets for folks in our Club. Same with the statin anti-cholesterol meds.

    One approach favored by some docs is to use a bunch of meds on a temporary basis to force all your
    numbers into safer rangers, then picking and choosing to see which if any are necessary for the
    long haul.

    Sorry you had to join our Club. Keep coming back. Reading the diabetes newsgroups every night has
    resulted in substantial improvements in my health, quality of life and, I'm sure, my probably
    life span.

    Regards
    Old Al

  6. "carterjp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The meal
    ========
    Mango-a-go-go Jamba Juice (16oz, 100 grams of carb, 350 Cals) & Thick large slice of Lemon Bundt
    Cake Trader Joe's Pasta, Trader Joe's Veggie Burger (only the patty, no buns), 1 large Slice of
    white sourdough bread, one serving of beans

    Whole-blood tests on a OneTouch meter
    =====================================
    Level 6:05pm -- 70 Meal 6:05pm -- Meal Started Meal 6:20pm -- Meal Concluded Level 6:35pm -- 156
    Level 6:55pm -- 189 Level 7:05pm -- 202 <<<<<<<<<<<< Maximum Level 7:20pm -- 185 <<<<<<<<<<<< One
    Hour Level 7:35pm -- 186 Level 7:55pm -- 179 Level 8:15pm -- 149 <<<<<<<<<<<< Two Hours Level
    8:40pm -- 136 Level 8:55pm -- 144 Level 9:20pm -- 126 <<<<<<<<<<<< Three Hours Level 9:50pm -- 123
    Level 10:20pm -- 112 <<<<<<<<<<<< Four Hours

    Is this diabetic? Or prediabetic? I am planning to go to my doctor within next 2-3 weeks (don't
    want to go by myself and my SO is travelling).

    Looks like diabetic to me! Just curious. Why would you be eating so many carbs in one meal?

    --
    Type 2 users.bestweb.net~jbove

  7. [email hidden] (carterjp) wrote:

    Go see an MD, don't be so foolish as to ask for a diagnosis on an internet news group...for the love
    of (insert name of worshipee here) don't be so stupid. The diagnostic standards are easy to find at
    the ADA website.

  8. I am worried and scared. I am a 35 year old male, with a 4 year old child. My wife does not work.
    What would they do if I were disabled and/or died?

    I am out of town until Wednesday, but will go to the doctor on Wednesday for sure. What should I do
    until then? I have to eat out. I do have my meter with me.

    Please help.

    "oldal4865" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]-
    berlin.de>...

    Quoted message said:

    carterjp wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    The meal
    ========
    Mango-a-go-go Jamba Juice (16oz, 100 grams of carb, 350 Cals) & Thick large slice of Lemon Bundt
    Cake Trader Joe's Pasta, Trader Joe's Veggie Burger (only the patty, no buns), 1 large Slice of
    white sourdough bread, one serving of beans

    Whole-blood tests on a OneTouch meter
    =====================================
    Level 6:05pm -- 70 Meal 6:05pm -- Meal Started Meal 6:20pm -- Meal Concluded Level 6:35pm -- 156
    Level 6:55pm -- 189 Level 7:05pm -- 202 <<<<<<<<<<<< Maximum Level 7:20pm -- 185 <<<<<<<<<<<< One
    Hour Level 7:35pm -- 186 Level 7:55pm -- 179 Level 8:15pm -- 149 <<<<<<<<<<<< Two Hours Level
    8:40pm -- 136 Level 8:55pm -- 144 Level 9:20pm -- 126 <<<<<<<<<<<< Three Hours Level 9:50pm --
    123 Level 10:20pm -- 112 <<<<<<<<<<<< Four Hours

    Is this diabetic? Or prediabetic? I am planning to go to my doctor within next 2-3 weeks (don't
    want to go by myself and my SO is travelling).

    Those are diabetic numbers. You appear to be well along the Standard Type 2 Diabetic
    Progression.

    You are probably at a place in the Standard Progression where the docs think it seems to be
    accelerating (getting "worse" fast).

    Whether or not your doc gives you a formal diagnosis of "Diabetic" is very arbitrary. The current
    definition of blood sugars high enough to classified as Diabetes is put together by committees
    composed of folks with differing agendas. It changes constantly. The bare fact is that you are
    well along the Progression. (BTW: I have often tested folks at work as a favor to see if they
    might be diabetic. Nobody has every broken 100 !)

    You really want to freeze your position in the Progression, or at least slow your "progress". If
    you just let things sort of slide and put a half-hearted effort into controlling the disease, you
    end up needing large amounts of insulin, many insulin shots each day and many pills, while
    experiencing very poor health, pain, and a good chance of dying young.

    There is a "shopping basket" full of things you can do to freeze your position or slow your
    progress. They are:

    a. Lose fat lb
    b. Gain muscle lb
    c. Exercise vigorously every day
    d. Ration your carbohydrate (not just sugar, all carbs). Eat slowly-digesting carb, split your
    total daily carb into several small meals
    f. Take the Insulin-Resistance meds metformin (Glucophage) and (Actos or Avandia)
    g. Take a supplemental insulin shot or shots(2?) daily even if it seems you don't need the
    help to control blood sugars.

    None of those are any fun. However, the more of them you can make part of your life, the better
    your odds of missing most or all of the very unpleasant consequences of the disease.

    The Bernstein book (Dr Bernstin's Diabetic Solution) has a lot of the better advice for Type 2
    diabetics.

    Sorry, more bad news:

    Folks in your position often have had some hidden damage from the disease as it was progressing to
    noticeable elevated blood sugars.

    It raises blood pressure and really screws up you cholesterol, (especially triglycerides).

    Make certain your doc looks at both blood pressure and your "lipid panel" (the cholesterols and
    triglycerides numbers)

    Folks in the Type 2 Diabetic Progression must aim for lower b.p. and lipid numbers than the rest
    of the population. The standard wisdom is to use ACE or ARB blood pressure meds earlier and with
    tougher targets for folks in our Club. Same with the statin anti-cholesterol meds.

    One approach favored by some docs is to use a bunch of meds on a temporary basis to force all your
    numbers into safer rangers, then picking and choosing to see which if any are necessary for the
    long haul.

    Sorry you had to join our Club. Keep coming back. Reading the diabetes newsgroups every night has
    resulted in substantial improvements in my health, quality of life and, I'm sure, my probably
    life span.

    Regards
    Old Al

  9. Also, will I likely need to be on drugs right away? I was thinking of quitting my job and looking
    for a new one, but that may be a terrible idea if I will need insurance continually.

    What inner damage could I have? Oh God! I am worried sick. Please advise.

    "oldal4865" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]-
    berlin.de>...

    Quoted message said:

    carterjp wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    The meal
    ========
    Mango-a-go-go Jamba Juice (16oz, 100 grams of carb, 350 Cals) & Thick large slice of Lemon Bundt
    Cake Trader Joe's Pasta, Trader Joe's Veggie Burger (only the patty, no buns), 1 large Slice of
    white sourdough bread, one serving of beans

    Whole-blood tests on a OneTouch meter
    =====================================
    Level 6:05pm -- 70 Meal 6:05pm -- Meal Started Meal 6:20pm -- Meal Concluded Level 6:35pm -- 156
    Level 6:55pm -- 189 Level 7:05pm -- 202 <<<<<<<<<<<< Maximum Level 7:20pm -- 185 <<<<<<<<<<<< One
    Hour Level 7:35pm -- 186 Level 7:55pm -- 179 Level 8:15pm -- 149 <<<<<<<<<<<< Two Hours Level
    8:40pm -- 136 Level 8:55pm -- 144 Level 9:20pm -- 126 <<<<<<<<<<<< Three Hours Level 9:50pm --
    123 Level 10:20pm -- 112 <<<<<<<<<<<< Four Hours

    Is this diabetic? Or prediabetic? I am planning to go to my doctor within next 2-3 weeks (don't
    want to go by myself and my SO is travelling).

    Those are diabetic numbers. You appear to be well along the Standard Type 2 Diabetic
    Progression.

    You are probably at a place in the Standard Progression where the docs think it seems to be
    accelerating (getting "worse" fast).

    Whether or not your doc gives you a formal diagnosis of "Diabetic" is very arbitrary. The current
    definition of blood sugars high enough to classified as Diabetes is put together by committees
    composed of folks with differing agendas. It changes constantly. The bare fact is that you are
    well along the Progression. (BTW: I have often tested folks at work as a favor to see if they
    might be diabetic. Nobody has every broken 100 !)

    You really want to freeze your position in the Progression, or at least slow your "progress". If
    you just let things sort of slide and put a half-hearted effort into controlling the disease, you
    end up needing large amounts of insulin, many insulin shots each day and many pills, while
    experiencing very poor health, pain, and a good chance of dying young.

    There is a "shopping basket" full of things you can do to freeze your position or slow your
    progress. They are:

    a. Lose fat lb
    b. Gain muscle lb
    c. Exercise vigorously every day
    d. Ration your carbohydrate (not just sugar, all carbs). Eat slowly-digesting carb, split your
    total daily carb into several small meals
    f. Take the Insulin-Resistance meds metformin (Glucophage) and (Actos or Avandia)
    g. Take a supplemental insulin shot or shots(2?) daily even if it seems you don't need the
    help to control blood sugars.

    None of those are any fun. However, the more of them you can make part of your life, the better
    your odds of missing most or all of the very unpleasant consequences of the disease.

    The Bernstein book (Dr Bernstin's Diabetic Solution) has a lot of the better advice for Type 2
    diabetics.

    Sorry, more bad news:

    Folks in your position often have had some hidden damage from the disease as it was progressing to
    noticeable elevated blood sugars.

    It raises blood pressure and really screws up you cholesterol, (especially triglycerides).

    Make certain your doc looks at both blood pressure and your "lipid panel" (the cholesterols and
    triglycerides numbers)

    Folks in the Type 2 Diabetic Progression must aim for lower b.p. and lipid numbers than the rest
    of the population. The standard wisdom is to use ACE or ARB blood pressure meds earlier and with
    tougher targets for folks in our Club. Same with the statin anti-cholesterol meds.

    One approach favored by some docs is to use a bunch of meds on a temporary basis to force all your
    numbers into safer rangers, then picking and choosing to see which if any are necessary for the
    long haul.

    Sorry you had to join our Club. Keep coming back. Reading the diabetes newsgroups every night has
    resulted in substantial improvements in my health, quality of life and, I'm sure, my probably
    life span.

    Regards
    Old Al

  10. My mother is diabetic. I picked-up a meter years ago for myself to monitor myself now and
    then - because I have had the frequent thirst/urination problem for some time now. It never
    used to go above
    140. I misplaced it and hadn't tested for the last 2 years. I found it last week and took it with me
    when I left town. Then I decided to eat a high-sugar and high-carb meal to see what would
    happen. I have a pot-belly, 5'11 and 175 lbs.

    "Julie Bove" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "carterjp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The meal
    ========
    Mango-a-go-go Jamba Juice (16oz, 100 grams of carb, 350 Cals) & Thick large slice of Lemon Bundt
    Cake Trader Joe's Pasta, Trader Joe's Veggie Burger (only the patty, no buns), 1 large Slice of
    white sourdough bread, one serving of beans

    Whole-blood tests on a OneTouch meter
    =====================================
    Level 6:05pm -- 70 Meal 6:05pm -- Meal Started Meal 6:20pm -- Meal Concluded Level 6:35pm -- 156
    Level 6:55pm -- 189 Level 7:05pm -- 202 <<<<<<<<<<<< Maximum Level 7:20pm -- 185 <<<<<<<<<<<<
    One Hour Level 7:35pm -- 186 Level 7:55pm -- 179 Level 8:15pm -- 149 <<<<<<<<<<<< Two Hours
    Level 8:40pm -- 136 Level 8:55pm -- 144 Level 9:20pm -- 126 <<<<<<<<<<<< Three Hours Level
    9:50pm -- 123 Level 10:20pm -- 112 <<<<<<<<<<<< Four Hours

    Is this diabetic? Or prediabetic? I am planning to go to my doctor within next 2-3 weeks (don't
    want to go by myself and my SO is travelling).

    Looks like diabetic to me! Just curious. Why would you be eating so many carbs in one meal?

  11. (carterjp) said:

    I am worried and scared. I am a 35 year old male, with a 4 year old child. My wife does not work.
    What would they do if I were disabled and/or died?

    I am out of town until Wednesday, but will go to the doctor on Wednesday for sure. What should I do
    until then? I have to eat out. I do have my meter with me.

    Please help.

    1. Ditch the "juice", which is full of carbs. Drink nothing sweetened with sugar (this includes
    corn syrup!!!!).

    2. Ditch the dessert. Do not replace it with anything.

    3. Ditch the pizza. It is an odd food for diabetics, and you are better off not eating it until you
    know your responses better and are in a position to experiment.

    4. I don't know that I'd go a full bore low carb route, until you know more about yourself, but for
    the time being, don't eat more bread than the equivelent of two slices (just to be on the safe
    side--also, no more than 1/2 of a bagel and it's a good idea to avoid muffins). Try plain meats,
    plain salads (of the leafy variety), no more than one peice of freash fruit per meal. If you
    feel empty, get a salad.

    5. Test, test, test!! Record the tests to show to your doctor.

    6. Keep in mind this is *not* medical advice, but fairly standard, and conservative seat-of-the-
    pants advice. You should figure that it is like at least a year's worth of experimenting ahead
    of you before you will know enough about your response to feel very comfortable. Aslo keep in
    mind that diet is only one leg of the system for diabetics. Exersise and (at least for some)
    medication is also important. In fact, if you depend one one to the exclusion f the others, you
    will about gaurentee yourself that you won't get in good control.

    7. I hope the above does not scare you or depress you. Believe me, you are not alone and we are
    here for you. Best of Luck!

    David

    Please Note: I now filter my email so that only pre-approved addresses make my Inbox. If you want to
    email me, contact first through the newsgroup so I can add you to the filter.

  12. "carterjp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I am worried and scared. I am a 35 year old male, with a 4 year old child. My wife does not work.
    What would they do if I were disabled and/or died?

    I am out of town until Wednesday, but will go to the doctor on Wednesday for sure. What should I
    do until then? I have to eat out. I do have my meter with me.

    Have steak and eggs for breakfast, no toast or potatoes...Eat salads with roast chicken, many
    small meals, not big ones .., but do not eat any carbs such as bread or potatoes...some
    grapefruit and apples will be ok but not in huge volume. Im new at this monitoring thing myself
    but you can be real happy that your fasting glucose is at 70... starting with control now gives
    you a huge advantage.

    The news group on balance provides superb advice. The disease seems to be different for each person
    in some aspects, so you will get conflicting advice sometimes as you sort out what works for you.

    Phil Scott

    Quoted message said:


    Please help.

    "oldal4865" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    carterjp wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    The meal
    ========
    Mango-a-go-go Jamba Juice (16oz, 100 grams of carb, 350 Cals) & Thick large slice of Lemon
    Bundt Cake Trader Joe's Pasta, Trader Joe's Veggie Burger (only the patty, no buns), 1 large
    Slice of white sourdough bread, one serving of beans

    Whole-blood tests on a OneTouch meter
    =====================================
    Level 6:05pm -- 70 Meal 6:05pm -- Meal Started Meal 6:20pm -- Meal Concluded Level 6:35pm --
    156 Level 6:55pm -- 189 Level 7:05pm -- 202 <<<<<<<<<<<< Maximum Level 7:20pm -- 185
    <<<<<<<<<<<< One Hour Level 7:35pm -- 186 Level 7:55pm -- 179 Level 8:15pm -- 149 <<<<<<<<<<<<
    Two Hours Level 8:40pm -- 136 Level 8:55pm -- 144 Level 9:20pm -- 126 <<<<<<<<<<<< Three Hours
    Level 9:50pm -- 123 Level 10:20pm -- 112 <<<<<<<<<<<< Four Hours

    Is this diabetic? Or prediabetic? I am planning to go to my doctor within next 2-3 weeks (don't
    want to go by myself and my SO is travelling).

    Those are diabetic numbers. You appear to be well along the


    Standard

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Type 2 Diabetic Progression.

    You are probably at a place in the Standard Progression where the docs


    think

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it seems to be accelerating (getting "worse" fast).

    Whether or not your doc gives you a formal diagnosis of "Diabetic" is


    very

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    arbitrary. The current definition of blood sugars high enough to


    classified

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    as Diabetes is put together by committees composed of folks with


    differing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    agendas. It changes constantly. The bare fact is that you are well along the Progression. (BTW:
    I have often tested folks at work as a favor to see if they might be diabetic. Nobody has every
    broken 100 !)

    You really want to freeze your position in the Progression, or at least


    slow

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    your "progress". If you just let things sort of slide and put a half-hearted effort into
    controlling the disease, you end up needing


    large

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    amounts of insulin, many insulin shots each day and many pills, while experiencing very poor
    health, pain, and a good chance of dying young.

    There is a "shopping basket" full of things you can do to freeze your position or slow your
    progress. They are:

    a. Lose fat lb
    b. Gain muscle lb
    c. Exercise vigorously every day
    d. Ration your carbohydrate (not just sugar, all carbs). Eat slowly-digesting carb, split
    your total daily carb into several small meals
    f. Take the Insulin-Resistance meds metformin (Glucophage) and (Actos or Avandia)
    g. Take a supplemental insulin shot or shots(2?) daily even if it


    seems

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    you don't need the help to control blood sugars.

    None of those are any fun. However, the more of them you can make


    part

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    of your life, the better your odds of missing most or all of the very unpleasant consequences of
    the disease.

    The Bernstein book (Dr Bernstin's Diabetic Solution) has a lot of the


    better

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    advice for Type 2 diabetics.

    Sorry, more bad news:

    Folks in your position often have had some hidden damage from the


    disease as

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    it was progressing to noticeable elevated blood sugars.

    It raises blood pressure and really screws up you cholesterol,


    (especially

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    triglycerides).

    Make certain your doc looks at both blood pressure and your "lipid


    panel"

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    (the cholesterols and triglycerides numbers)

    Folks in the Type 2 Diabetic Progression must aim for lower b.p. and


    lipid

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    numbers than the rest of the population. The standard wisdom is to use


    ACE

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    or ARB blood pressure meds earlier and with tougher targets for folks in


    our

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    Club. Same with the statin anti-cholesterol meds.

    One approach favored by some docs is to use a bunch of meds on a


    temporary

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    basis to force all your numbers into safer rangers, then picking and choosing to see which if
    any are necessary for the long haul.

    Sorry you had to join our Club. Keep coming back. Reading the


    diabetes

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    newsgroups every night has resulted in substantial improvements in my health, quality of life
    and, I'm sure, my probably life span.

    Regards
    Old Al

  13. "carterjp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Also, will I likely need to be on drugs right away? I was thinking of quitting my job and looking
    for a new one, but that may be a terrible idea if I will need insurance continually.

    What inner damage could I have? Oh God! I am worried sick. Please advise.

    Others will have better advice on this issue than me...but from what Ive read some think the disease
    at the stage you are at can be reversed with diet and exercise...the problem with me on that score
    is that once I got it controlled and looking good and not reacting to crappy food again, I relapsed
    into bad eating habits and learned to live with/ ignore or deny more and more symptoms. Now its
    worse. My fasting level is at 120 without drugs. Yours is 70. See a good endriconologist(sp).

    the initial damage and cause lies in the liver, I am studying up on that looking for ways to cleanse
    the organ, but on that score you get to dodge the scam artists... none the less much of our problems
    in the US are a result of eating all the processed food, and some of that damage is apparently
    reversible if you maintain the cleaned up lifestyle for a few years.

    Phil Scott

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    "oldal4865" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

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    carterjp wrote in message ...

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    The meal
    ========
    Mango-a-go-go Jamba Juice (16oz, 100 grams of carb, 350 Cals) & Thick large slice of Lemon
    Bundt Cake Trader Joe's Pasta, Trader Joe's Veggie Burger (only the patty, no buns), 1 large
    Slice of white sourdough bread, one serving of beans

    Whole-blood tests on a OneTouch meter
    =====================================
    Level 6:05pm -- 70 Meal 6:05pm -- Meal Started Meal 6:20pm -- Meal Concluded Level 6:35pm --
    156 Level 6:55pm -- 189 Level 7:05pm -- 202 <<<<<<<<<<<< Maximum Level 7:20pm -- 185
    <<<<<<<<<<<< One Hour Level 7:35pm -- 186 Level 7:55pm -- 179 Level 8:15pm -- 149 <<<<<<<<<<<<
    Two Hours Level 8:40pm -- 136 Level 8:55pm -- 144 Level 9:20pm -- 126 <<<<<<<<<<<< Three Hours
    Level 9:50pm -- 123 Level 10:20pm -- 112 <<<<<<<<<<<< Four Hours

    Is this diabetic? Or prediabetic? I am planning to go to my doctor within next 2-3 weeks (don't
    want to go by myself and my SO is travelling).

    Those are diabetic numbers. You appear to be well along the


    Standard

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    Type 2 Diabetic Progression.

    You are probably at a place in the Standard Progression where the docs


    think

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    it seems to be accelerating (getting "worse" fast).

    Whether or not your doc gives you a formal diagnosis of "Diabetic" is


    very

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    arbitrary. The current definition of blood sugars high enough to


    classified

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    as Diabetes is put together by committees composed of folks with


    differing

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    agendas. It changes constantly. The bare fact is that you are well along the Progression. (BTW:
    I have often tested folks at work as a favor to see if they might be diabetic. Nobody has every
    broken 100 !)

    You really want to freeze your position in the Progression, or at least


    slow

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    your "progress". If you just let things sort of slide and put a half-hearted effort into
    controlling the disease, you end up needing


    large

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    amounts of insulin, many insulin shots each day and many pills, while experiencing very poor
    health, pain, and a good chance of dying young.

    There is a "shopping basket" full of things you can do to freeze your position or slow your
    progress. They are:

    a. Lose fat lb
    b. Gain muscle lb
    c. Exercise vigorously every day
    d. Ration your carbohydrate (not just sugar, all carbs). Eat slowly-digesting carb, split
    your total daily carb into several small meals
    f. Take the Insulin-Resistance meds metformin (Glucophage) and (Actos or Avandia)
    g. Take a supplemental insulin shot or shots(2?) daily even if it


    seems

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    you don't need the help to control blood sugars.

    None of those are any fun. However, the more of them you can make


    part

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of your life, the better your odds of missing most or all of the very unpleasant consequences of
    the disease.

    The Bernstein book (Dr Bernstin's Diabetic Solution) has a lot of the


    better

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    advice for Type 2 diabetics.

    Sorry, more bad news:

    Folks in your position often have had some hidden damage from the


    disease as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it was progressing to noticeable elevated blood sugars.

    It raises blood pressure and really screws up you cholesterol,


    (especially

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    triglycerides).

    Make certain your doc looks at both blood pressure and your "lipid


    panel"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (the cholesterols and triglycerides numbers)

    Folks in the Type 2 Diabetic Progression must aim for lower b.p. and


    lipid

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    numbers than the rest of the population. The standard wisdom is to use


    ACE

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or ARB blood pressure meds earlier and with tougher targets for folks in


    our

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Club. Same with the statin anti-cholesterol meds.

    One approach favored by some docs is to use a bunch of meds on a


    temporary

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    basis to force all your numbers into safer rangers, then picking and choosing to see which if
    any are necessary for the long haul.

    Sorry you had to join our Club. Keep coming back. Reading the


    diabetes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    newsgroups every night has resulted in substantial improvements in my health, quality of life
    and, I'm sure, my probably life span.

    Regards
    Old Al

  14. "carterjp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    My mother is diabetic. I picked-up a meter years ago for myself to monitor myself now and then
    - because I have had the frequent thirst/urination problem for some time now. It never used to
    go above
    140. I misplaced it and hadn't tested for the last 2 years. I found it last week and took it with
    me when I left town. Then I decided to eat a high-sugar and high-carb meal to see what would
    happen. I have a pot-belly, 5'11 and 175 lbs.

    Your test strips may be out of date and reading inaccurately...get a new meter at wal mart for 10
    dollars and some test strips for an accurate read or get new strips for your meter and calibrate it
    to the strips.

    175 isnt bad, you are lucky there...get rid of the pot belly by joining the gym, build up your
    muscles so that you metablize glucose better...fix up your diet as suggested on the Ng and by
    various books and your doctor. You might find Dr Atkins books interesting. although they have
    modified the recommendations recently.

    Phil Scott

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    "Julie Bove" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

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    "carterjp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    The meal
    ========
    Mango-a-go-go Jamba Juice (16oz, 100 grams of carb, 350 Cals) & Thick large slice of Lemon
    Bundt Cake Trader Joe's Pasta, Trader Joe's Veggie Burger (only the patty, no buns), 1 large
    Slice of white sourdough bread, one serving of beans

    Whole-blood tests on a OneTouch meter
    =====================================
    Level 6:05pm -- 70 Meal 6:05pm -- Meal Started Meal 6:20pm -- Meal Concluded Level 6:35pm --
    156 Level 6:55pm -- 189 Level 7:05pm -- 202 <<<<<<<<<<<< Maximum Level 7:20pm -- 185
    <<<<<<<<<<<< One Hour Level 7:35pm -- 186 Level 7:55pm -- 179 Level 8:15pm -- 149 <<<<<<<<<<<<
    Two Hours Level 8:40pm -- 136 Level 8:55pm -- 144 Level 9:20pm -- 126 <<<<<<<<<<<< Three Hours
    Level 9:50pm -- 123 Level 10:20pm -- 112 <<<<<<<<<<<< Four Hours

    Is this diabetic? Or prediabetic? I am planning to go to my doctor within next 2-3 weeks
    (don't want to go by myself and my SO is travelling).

    Looks like diabetic to me! Just curious. Why would you be eating so


    many

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    carbs in one meal?

  15. "carterjp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    The meal
    ========
    Mango-a-go-go Jamba Juice (16oz, 100 grams of carb, 350 Cals) & Thick large slice of Lemon Bundt
    Cake Trader Joe's Pasta, Trader Joe's Veggie Burger (only the patty, no buns), 1 large Slice of
    white sourdough bread, one serving of beans

    Whole-blood tests on a OneTouch meter
    =====================================
    Level 6:05pm -- 70

    Below the dx point for diabetes.

    Quoted message said:

    Meal 6:05pm -- Meal Started Meal 6:20pm -- Meal Concluded Level 6:35pm -- 156 Level 6:55pm -- 189
    Level 7:05pm -- 202 <<<<<<<<<<<< Maximum Level 7:20pm -- 185 <<<<<<<<<<<< One Hour Level 7:35pm --
    186 Level 7:55pm -- 179 Level 8:15pm -- 149 <<<<<<<<<<<< Two Hours Level 8:40pm -- 136 Level
    8:55pm -- 144

    All those above are above the trigger point for at least the need to be tested for diabetes, but
    it's not looking spectacularly good I have to say. In fact I'd go further and say you ARE diabetic
    and you need to see a doc as soon as.

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    Level 9:20pm -- 126 <<<<<<<<<<<< Three Hours Level 9:50pm -- 123 Level 10:20pm -- 112 <<<<<<<<<<<<
    Four Hours

    Back to JUST below the trigger point for Dx.

    Your day represents a very typical Type 2 diabetics blood sugar graph.

    Quoted message said:


    Is this diabetic? Or prediabetic? I am planning to go to my doctor within next 2-3 weeks (don't
    want to go by myself and my SO is travelling).

    Don't go waiting three weeks.

    Beav

  16. carterjp wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    Also, will I likely need to be on drugs right away? I was thinking of quitting my job and looking
    for a new one, but that may be a terrible idea if I will need insurance continually.

    What inner damage could I have? Oh God! I am worried sick. Please advise.

    You are still in "early days". Chances are you don't have significant damage, but chances are
    that the damage is starting.

    For a better idea of what's going on, see:

    The Progression and Natural History of Type 2 Diabetes

    A very good speech to doctors by an Endo, given at the 2001 ADA convention, presented at the URL
    shown below.

    medscape.com145

    Don't panic, you won't die tomorrow. Your goal is to freeze all damage progressions. However, you
    must work on this disease to avoid the nasty parts.

    Your first move will be to restrict your carb intake, eat slowly digesting carbs, and get more
    exercise. A two-mile walk each day is a fine start.

    The meal you quoted in your original post was not a Diabetic Friendly meal,
    i.e. large dollops of concentrated carb, and many "fast" carbs (the sugars in that Mango juice and
    cake, the wheat in that cake and bread).

    Pasta is your friend. The Glycemic Index is your friend. You want slowly digesting carb, and
    restricted amounts. The formal ADA diet calls for about 200 gram of carb a day but most serious
    diabetics think they are out of their minds.

    (Actually the 200 gram carb diet can be made to work if you inject a potful of insulin each day but
    most diabetics seek to avoid that)

    Glycemic Index Discussion:

    diabetes.about.comngilists.htm

    Health Insurance is an awful problem for Diabetics. Some folks do plan their entire careers based on
    the availability of Health Insurance. Currently, most individual plans restrict the admission of
    diabetics. Group plans at a place of employment and the like usually "have" to accept you though
    there are often conditions. Don't willingly "drop" any health insurance unless you have really
    studied the matter.

    ". . .will I likely need to be on drugs right away? . . . " You will get almost as many answers to
    that as there are doctors. As I said, one technique is to load you with anti-Insulin Resistance
    meds, b.p. meds and anti-cholesterol meds at first diagnosis, then taper off when your numbers hit
    safe ranges. Other docs let you try to get into safe ranges via diet and exercise only. Personally,
    I am a bit nervous about that latter approach because there isn't a lot of difference between
    "letting the patient work it out" and "letting the patient flounder". It all depends on how bad your
    numbers are: HbA1c, Fasting blood sugar history, blood pressure and Lipid Panel.

    "Safe Ranges" tends to depend on your doc's personal opinion. The best docs in the field may not
    agree with him. It's time for you to start learning about this disease. Make certain that you get a
    copy of your lab results so you can look up the recommended diabetic targets and make some
    judgements for yourself.

    You may want to switch docs if you decide your current one is not aggressive enough. In general,
    diabetologists are the best choice for handling diabetes but there aren't a lot of them around. Most
    Endocrinologists are also diabetologists.

    A 35-year old male in your position could be expected to live a healthy, normal life for another 40
    years of so; but not if he screws up dealing with his diabetes. Your job is to "not screw up". Sorry
    that this got dumped on you but this is not a time for panic, it's a time for grim determination.

    Keep coming back. We have "been there, done that" in almost every area of concern that you face
    (alas, including "screwing up"😉.

    While you're at it, consider calling the local hospitals to ask if any of them have Diabetic
    Support Group meetings. They are mostly not support group meetings; they are mostly informal
    lectures by medical professionals with lots of opportunity for asking questions before, during and
    after the lecture.

    They also have CDE (Certified Diabetic Educators) running the meetings. You really want to meet some
    of these CDE and get to know them. Most CDE can "beat" all but the best docs in advising diabetics
    about day-to-day diabetic living. The ones I know are magnificant.

    See if you can get a referral to a Diabetes Training Course at one of your local hospitals. The
    standard training course is 10 classroom hours. No doc can match that kind of patient-training via
    informal talks in his office no matter how good his grades were in medical school.

    Err. . .those training courses are so useful I would define 100-mile radius as "local". Actually, I
    had classmates who drove 150 miles to attend the training course I took. The courses I am familiar
    with charge for the patient and let a spouse sit in free.

    Regards
    Old Al

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    oldal4865 said:

    Pasta is your friend.

    Your mileage may vary on that. Pasta sure isn't my friend. :-( I used to love linguine. *sigh*

    Priscilla

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Phil Scott said:

    "carterjp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Also, will I likely need to be on drugs right away? I was thinking of quitting my job and
    looking for a new one, but that may be a terrible idea if I will need insurance continually.

    What inner damage could I have? Oh God! I am worried sick. Please advise.

    Others will have better advice on this issue than me...but from what Ive read some think the
    disease at the stage you are at can be reversed with diet and exercise...the problem with me on
    that score is that once I got it controlled and looking good and not reacting to crappy food
    again, I relapsed into bad eating habits and learned to live with/ ignore or deny more and more
    symptoms. Now its worse. My fasting level is at 120 without drugs. Yours is 70.

    Well, no. He was at 70 at 6:00 PM. His fasting BG would be in the morning after a night's sleep
    and fast. I go much lower between meals in the afternoon and evening than I am first thing in
    the morning.

    Priscilla

  19. Phil Scott said:


    "carterjp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Also, will I likely need to be on drugs right away? I was thinking of quitting my job and looking
    for a new one, but that may be a terrible idea if I will need insurance continually.

    What inner damage could I have? Oh God! I am worried sick. Please advise.

    Others will have better advice on this issue than me...but from what Ive read some think the
    disease at the stage you are at can be reversed with diet and exercise...the problem with me on
    that score is that once I got it

    Diabetes can be reversed - That is a new one. Your body's glucose control system either works or it
    is broken. D&E can give you normal BG readings for a while, but you are still a diabetic. Nothing
    will change that. I suggest you take this disease more seriously. Waving the magic wand, using
    extremest methods, praying, or some magic elixir of life will not cure and/or reverse diabetes. Once
    your pancreas malfunctions, it is permanent.

    _____________________________________________
    tcainternet.comindex.html

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Priscilla Ballou said:
    In article said:

    Pasta is your friend.

    Your mileage may vary on that. Pasta sure isn't my friend. :-( I used to love linguine. *sigh*

    I'm with you, Priscilla. At this stage in my life, not only is pasta not my friend; it's my
    sworn enemy!

    --
    AF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team." --artyw raises the bar on
    rec.sport.baseball

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