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  1. There are diagnostic standards ("numbers"😉 for both, though they may vary by country.

    And a MAJOR difference you may notice as a result of which diagnosis you get is your desirability
    (or lack thereof) as an insurance policy customer. I hope you are "only" impaired (new term you may
    hear: pre-diabetes). bj

    "carterjp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    As far as I can see, impaired glucose tolerance is not that different from diabetes, and there is
    considerable difference between "experts" on which is which.

  2. IGT is much different from diabetes. You can prevent IGT from progressing to diabetes - studies
    have proved it. Once you are diabetic, up to 80% of your beta cells are already destroyed, and will
    never come back. In the US, OGTT should be repeated to confirm any diagnosis. Again, I urge you to
    look at Harvard's site, hsph.harvard.edudiabetes.html In a nutshell,
    eat right, and get off your butt and exercise! BTW, the "wizards" on this site had me scared I had
    diabetes - then my Hba1c came back at 5.2, and my fasting plasma glucose was 90. a FPG of 115 or
    over is diabetic.

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    I had my 2-hour oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) as well as my HbA1C tests conducted today. Now,
    I wait until Monday or Tuesday before I call my doctor and find where I stand. As far as I can
    see, impaired glucose tolerance is not that different from diabetes, and there is considerable
    difference between "experts" on which is which. Regardless of which it is, the lifestyle that one
    must adopt is the same. My doctor was very kind and explained that, provided I keep tight control
    (regardless of whether it is IGT, NIDDM or IDDM), a life full of health can lie ahead of me.

    In that sense, if I am diagnosed as IGT (aka late-stage Syndrome X) when I thought it was DM, it
    is not like I had a false positive as DM earlier. It is more like I will have gotten a false
    negative for DM, because there really is an underlying diabetic thing at work.

    I have gone out and bought a bunch of diabetes cookbooks, and learnt about the glycemic index. I
    am trying to reintroduce carbs (low-glycemic) into my diet and move away from the meat-and-salad
    situation. My fingers hurt from all the holes I've punched in them from the constant testing. I
    need to become more rational and planned about that. I am exercising aerobically 30-45 mins every
    day. My potbelly, which looms huger than ever in my eyes, is a personal enemy at this point and a
    threat to my survival and my family's security.

    Beav, I am very encouraged that Canada would take me in. Right now, that one thought gives me a
    lot of comfort. You cannot believe how much. If insurance kicks me out, at least there's Canada.

    "Beav" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<rZeSb.13380$JL4.109521@newsfep4-
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    "Bay Area Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    wouldn't you love to plonk this idiot, but know you can't, because like myself, you want to
    keep an eye on the moron so you can counteract their


    BS?

    I don't plonk anyone Dave (for that reason), but I'd certainly like to shut the stupid
    person up.

    Carter has obviously got a problem related to diabetes, he may even BE diabetic, (quite likely
    given that "day at the races" he posted where he hit
    202) but he's going to need a real dx before he can get ANY proper meds, because over here, all
    diabetic meds are prescription only.

    I don't think he needs to worry himself into an early grave, but he's definitely got to consider
    all the possibilities and Bessie's "handing down" is as likely to give him the impression
    there's nothing at ALL to worry about, and that's plainly not the case.

    Beav

  3. "carterjp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I had my 2-hour oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) as well as my HbA1C tests conducted today. Now,
    I wait until Monday or Tuesday before I call my doctor and find where I stand. As far as I can
    see, impaired glucose tolerance is not that different from diabetes, and there is considerable
    difference between "experts" on which is which. Regardless of which it is, the lifestyle that one
    must adopt is the same. My doctor was very kind and explained that, provided I keep tight control
    (regardless of whether it is IGT, NIDDM or IDDM), a life full of health can lie ahead of me.

    And he's right too. You do need to exercise good control though, but that's not nearly as hard as
    many people imagine and once you're used to your new "lifestyle" you just get on with being you,
    rather than being "a diabetic" (or whatever)

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    In that sense, if I am diagnosed as IGT (aka late-stage Syndrome X) when I thought it was DM, it
    is not like I had a false positive as DM earlier. It is more like I will have gotten a false
    negative for DM, because there really is an underlying diabetic thing at work.

    Yep, I'd go along with that.

    Quoted message said:


    I have gone out and bought a bunch of diabetes cookbooks, and learnt about the glycemic index. I
    am trying to reintroduce carbs (low-glycemic) into my diet and move away from the meat-and-salad
    situation. My fingers hurt from all the holes I've punched in them from the constant testing.

    If you're recording the results of the tests, and recording the foods you eat, you'll begin to see a
    pattern of blood sugar movement, and once you've got that pattern "imprinted" the number of tests
    can be cut back. And after a whle, your fingers actually stop hurting too. I only use 3 fingers and
    I've used them for 15 years and they're still as sensitive to feeling as they ever were, but they
    don't care about being pricked. Odd I know, but true. (Must call Ripley :-))

    I need to become more rational and planned

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    about that. I am exercising aerobically 30-45 mins every day. My potbelly, which looms huger than
    ever in my eyes, is a personal enemy at this point and a threat to my survival and my family's
    security.

    You know it's a problem, so you're aware that it's there. Lots of people don't think abut their pot
    bellies, so they just "grow". I don't think that's going to happen with you, and that's a result in
    itself.. Acceptance comes before any changes.

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    Beav, I am very encouraged that Canada would take me in.

    I'm in the UK :-))

    Right now,

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    that one thought gives me a lot of comfort. You cannot believe how much. If insurance kicks me
    out, at least there's Canada.

    Just don't kick your job in touch just yet. Try to keep your insurance continuous and you
    should be Ok.

    Let us know the outcome of your tests too.

    Beav

  4. Ok, my HbA1C and OGTT results are back. HbA1C = 5.6, fasting = 89 and 2-hour OGTT = 116 (at 2
    hours). My doctor says IGT. I feel little sense of relief. My fingers still tingle. What should I do
    now? Should I get my fingers and heart checked out?

    [email hidden] (carterjp) wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I had my 2-hour oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) as well as my HbA1C tests conducted today. Now,
    I wait until Monday or Tuesday before I call my doctor and find where I stand. As far as I can
    see, impaired glucose tolerance is not that different from diabetes, and there is considerable
    difference between "experts" on which is which. Regardless of which it is, the lifestyle that one
    must adopt is the same. My doctor was very kind and explained that, provided I keep tight control
    (regardless of whether it is IGT, NIDDM or IDDM), a life full of health can lie ahead of me.

  5. Your A1c and fasting glucose levels are fine, however your OGTT 2hr
    level is a bit high. This should be a wake up call for you to
    exercise more and start eating better. Not all IGT cases progress to
    diabetes, but the time to act is now. How is your BMI, trig, and HDL
    chol? How much exercise do you get daily? Please research "metabolic
    syndrome" on the web. This book should also help you: "The Healthy
    Heart Miracle : Your Roadmap to Lifelong Health"
    amazon.com103 6848652 5080621

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    Ok, my HbA1C and OGTT results are back. HbA1C = 5.6, fasting = 89 and 2-hour OGTT = 116 (at 2
    hours). My doctor says IGT. I feel little sense of relief. My fingers still tingle. What should I
    do now? Should I get my fingers and heart checked out?

    [email hidden] (carterjp) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I had my 2-hour oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) as well as my HbA1C tests conducted today.
    Now, I wait until Monday or Tuesday before I call my doctor and find where I stand. As far as I
    can see, impaired glucose tolerance is not that different from diabetes, and there is
    considerable difference between "experts" on which is which. Regardless of which it is, the
    lifestyle that one must adopt is the same. My doctor was very kind and explained that, provided
    I keep tight control (regardless of whether it is IGT, NIDDM or IDDM), a life full of health can
    lie ahead of me.

  6. "carterjp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Ok, my HbA1C and OGTT results are back. HbA1C = 5.6,

    I know diabetics who'd KILL for that :-), so no problem there.

    fasting = 89

    Same thing there. it's a perfectly normal reading, for a non-diabetic.

    and

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    2-hour OGTT = 116 (at 2 hours). My doctor says IGT.

    But not by a massive amount, although it's enough of a heads up to make you consider somewhat less
    crabs in your diet and a tad more exercise. An official GTT would have my sugars up over 30mmol/ml
    in less than an hour and they'd stay there 'til I injected a substantial amount of insulin which
    would then require "feeding" later on to stop the guaranteed hypo that would follow, so you're not
    in T1/T2 diabetic arena as yet, and hopefully if you keep to a GOOD (read "balanced"😉 diet, you
    won't ever be either.

    I feel little

    Quoted message said:

    sense of relief.

    Yeah, I think I would be to😉

    My fingers still tingle. What should I do now? Should

    Quoted message said:

    I get my fingers and heart checked out?

    Fingers, heart, kidney, liiver, anything you like, but I can't see you finding TOO much wrong🙂
    Joking aside, I'd mention the tingling fingers as that "could" be regarded as a symptom of Reynards
    disease, although it's so rare, it's not very likely. As for your heart, it NEVER hurts to get that
    checked out once in a while. Have you got a "Well mans" clinic/night at your local docs
    surgery/office? It's an "MOT" station for blokes who don't have anything seriously wrong, but who
    need the occasional assurance that they're not falling apart at the seams. I go every year:-)

    Beav

  7. Beav said:

    But not by a massive amount, although it's enough of a heads up to make you consider somewhat less
    crabs in your diet and a tad more exercise. An official GTT would have my sugars up over 30mmol/ml
    in less than an hour and they'd stay there 'til I injected a substantial amount of insulin which
    would then require "feeding" later on to stop the guaranteed hypo that would follow, so you're not
    in T1/T2 diabetic arena as yet, and hopefully if you keep to a GOOD (read "balanced"😉 diet, you
    won't ever be either.

    If anyone is interested, I have devised a low-crab diet that seems work well for me. 🙂

    Randy

  8. Randy Sigman <[email hidden]> quoth:

    Quoted message said:

    Beav <[email hidden]> wrote:

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    But not by a massive amount, although it's enough of a heads up to make you consider somewhat
    less crabs in your diet and a tad more exercise. An official GTT would have my sugars up over
    30mmol/ml in less than an hour and they'd stay there 'til I injected a substantial amount of
    insulin which would then require "feeding" later on to stop the guaranteed hypo that would
    follow, so you're not in T1/T2 diabetic arena as yet, and hopefully if you keep to a GOOD (read
    "balanced"😉 diet, you won't ever be either.

    Quoted message said:

    If anyone is interested, I have devised a low-crab diet that seems work well for me. 🙂

    I hope it's low-crab high-lobster!

    Priscilla

  9. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If anyone is interested, I have devised a low-crab diet that seems work


    well for

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    me. 🙂

    I hope it's low-crab high-lobster!

    MHD is crackin me up today!

    --

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    How can Sleepyman be so right about so many different things?

    First it was Atstein.

    Now it's the Super Bowl Champion New England Patriots!

    How can I be such a fool?
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  10. Beav, I meant I feel "little relief" in the sense of "I feel little or no relief." I am still a
    diabetic under a different name, which is good in terms of preserving my insurance options for now,
    but potentially even more dangerous than a diabetic diagnosis if I allow myself to become
    unconcerned and say "hey, I'm not diabetic."

    I cannot eat what non-diabetics do without dire consequences. I cannot live life like they do. If I
    relax on this score, it is super-clear to me that both I and my family will pay the price. When I
    ate that dinner my bg (at least on the home meter) touched 202. I know enough now to know what that
    means. I seriously doubt I have anything other than a diabetic phenomenon going on - my mother is a
    diabetic (she was diagnosed at age 43), as was her mother. It's in my genes. I am on a progression,
    a continuum that includes prediabetes, diabetes, and diabetic complications. The break at 200mg/dl
    seems quite random to me. I have read again and again that non-diabetics don't break 110-120mg/dl no
    matter what they eat. Well, I clearly do.

    I have a meter and I have strips and I will be testing, testing, testing.

    My Cholesterol is high - 210 (155 LDL, 55 HDL). I need to dig-out my trig levels (I have them
    somewhere). I am exercising aerobically 30-40 mins every day, since my first post to this group. I
    have exercised in the past too, but with lower intensity, alternating 20 mins aerobic one day with
    25 min weights the next. I will soon add some limited strength training on every alternate day on
    top of the aerobic exercise, with aero only for the other days. Should I take a break from exercise
    on any day?

    I have definitely noticed that it is now harder for me to shrink and get rid of my potbelly than it
    was 5-10 years ago. Maybe it's the fact I am no longer 25 or 30. And maybe it's the insulin that's
    been "helping" me grow my belly.

    The glycemic index makes perfect sense to me, but there is so much conflicting info out there.
    Should I go on a low-carb diet for life or not? Can I eat any kind of bread on a regular basis, or
    should all my carbs come from oats, brown rice and veggies? Should I go high-meat or low-meat or
    completely veggie? What should I endeavor to be my maximum bg 1 hour after meals? 100? 120? 130?

    How do I know my arteries aren't getting blocked unless I do one of those dye tests?

    In these past days, I have learnt much better what my mother went through and how she held herself,
    her spirits and her family together through that. She has been a tightly controlled diabetic for
    over 20 years now. I am her son and if she can do it, I can too. I loved that quote at the beginning
    of The First Year book - "The best way to ensure you live a long, healthy life is to get a chronic
    disease. Because you really learn to take care of yourself." The hell with the simple carbs. I want
    to see my son grow-up and have kids. My mom saw and held my child, I want to see and hold his. I can
    live without the candy, and the exercise I should be doing anyway. I guarantee you that I will be
    telling my son to monitor his bg on a regular basis once he hits 25.

    As you can probably tell, I'm still pretty emotional. I cannot even begin to thank everyone on this
    group for being there for me.

    "Beav" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<MSUTb.16752$JL4.136743@newsfep4-
    glfd.server.ntli.net>...

    Quoted message said:

    "carterjp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Ok, my HbA1C and OGTT results are back. HbA1C = 5.6,

    I know diabetics who'd KILL for that :-), so no problem there.

    fasting = 89

    Same thing there. it's a perfectly normal reading, for a non-diabetic.

    and

    Quoted message said:

    2-hour OGTT = 116 (at 2 hours). My doctor says IGT.

    But not by a massive amount, although it's enough of a heads up to make you consider somewhat less
    crabs in your diet and a tad more exercise. An official GTT would have my sugars up over 30mmol/ml
    in less than an hour and they'd stay there 'til I injected a substantial amount of insulin which
    would then require "feeding" later on to stop the guaranteed hypo that would follow, so you're not
    in T1/T2 diabetic arena as yet, and hopefully if you keep to a GOOD (read "balanced"😉 diet, you
    won't ever be either.

    I feel little

    Quoted message said:

    sense of relief.

    Yeah, I think I would be to😉

    My fingers still tingle. What should I do now? Should

    Quoted message said:

    I get my fingers and heart checked out?

    Fingers, heart, kidney, liiver, anything you like, but I can't see you finding TOO much wrong🙂
    Joking aside, I'd mention the tingling fingers as that "could" be regarded as a symptom of
    Reynards disease, although it's so rare, it's not very likely. As for your heart, it NEVER hurts
    to get that checked out once in a while. Have you got a "Well mans" clinic/night at your local
    docs surgery/office? It's an "MOT" station for blokes who don't have anything seriously wrong, but
    who need the occasional assurance that they're not falling apart at the seams. I go every year:-)

    Beav

  11. "Randy Sigman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Beav <[email hidden]> wrote:

    And before I even OPENED this post, I bleedin' KNEW Randy had picked up on my crabs :-)))

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    But not by a massive amount, although it's enough of a heads up to make


    you

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    consider somewhat less crabs in your diet and a tad more exercise. An official GTT would have my
    sugars up over 30mmol/ml in less than an hour


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they'd stay there 'til I injected a substantial amount of insulin which would then require
    "feeding" later on to stop the guaranteed hypo that


    would

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    follow, so you're not in T1/T2 diabetic arena as yet, and hopefully if


    you

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    keep to a GOOD (read "balanced"😉 diet, you won't ever be either.

    If anyone is interested, I have devised a low-crab diet that seems work


    well for

    Quoted message said:

    me. 🙂

    Kiss my hairy [censored] Randy:-))))

    (I'll get me own back, believe it:-)

    Beav

    Quoted message said:


    Randy

  12. "carterjp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Beav, I meant I feel "little relief" in the sense of "I feel little or no relief."

    Yep, sorry Cart, my bad reading:-(

    I am still a diabetic under a different name, which is

    Quoted message said:

    good in terms of preserving my insurance options for now,

    Yeah, but keep schtumm about ANYTHING related to glucose while you can.

    but

    Quoted message said:

    potentially even more dangerous than a diabetic diagnosis if I allow myself to become unconcerned
    and say "hey, I'm not diabetic."

    Oh indeed, but at least you KNOW you can't do that and that you've got to keep on top of things.
    testing is the only sure fire way to "catch" any changes before they become problematic.

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    I cannot eat what non-diabetics do without dire consequences.

    Now THAT can be taken as either a "half empty" or "half full" glass. Lots of problems (not
    necessarilly diabetes) are caused or excacerbated, by what we eat, so you COULD end up living a
    longer and more healthy life now that you KNOW what you can't throw in the trough, than you would
    otherwise have done. although I'm not a flag waving "I'm glad I'm diabetic" type, it HAS made me eat
    a lot more healthily and the result has been good weight control and high energy levels and
    apparently I don't look anything like my age. (according to everyone I know that is)

    Would I have been in the same condition had I NOT become diabetic? Who knows, but personally, I
    doubt it, I'd have been a fat arsed couch potato.

    I cannot

    Quoted message said:

    live life like they do. If I relax on this score, it is super-clear to me that both I and my
    family will pay the price. When I ate that dinner my bg (at least on the home meter) touched 202.
    I know enough now to know what that means. I seriously doubt I have anything other than a diabetic
    phenomenon going on - my mother is a diabetic (she was diagnosed at age 43), as was her mother.
    It's in my genes. I am on a progression, a continuum that includes prediabetes, diabetes, and
    diabetic complications.

    The complications issue isn't guaranteed. Some people who exercise VERY poor control don't get
    complications and some who exercise very GOOD control still get them. It's a [censored] shoot, but it's
    been proven that we reduce the risks dramatically, by exercising good control, so we at least have a
    GOOD weapon to use in our fight. We have another one too, and that's the knowledge that we ARE at
    risk, and armed with that knowledge, we can make the choice about what level of control we exercise.
    I'm still a learner at this diabetes thing (just 15-16 years) but so far, I'm untouched by any of
    the usual complications that have appeared by this time, so for me, SOMETHING'S working, and I
    believe it's a combination of good control (but not obsessive), a PROPERLY balanced diet and a
    positive mental attitude.

    The break at 200mg/dl seems quite random to

    Quoted message said:

    me. I have read again and again that non-diabetics don't break 110-120mg/dl no matter what they
    eat. Well, I clearly do.

    Over here in the UK, it's 11.1mmol/l, but in reality, on our meter's it's actually only about 9.8
    (IIRC) because of the way our meters generally measure sugar levels. Whether it's an arbitrary
    number or not isn't really important, the important thing is if you DO go above that number (more
    than once), then you've got to take a long hard look at your eating habits for the rest of your
    natural. If JUST doing that (and some exercise of course) realises a normal BG level, then that's
    what you do, and you get on with getting on.

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    I have a meter and I have strips and I will be testing, testing, testing.

    I agree, you DO need to test, but you also need to record EVERYTHING for the next few months. What
    time you test, what time you ate, WHAT you ate, what each meal did to your BG levels (another test).
    And by "record" I don't mean "remember". Write everything down in your monitoring diary and you'll
    very quickly learn what foods (and combinations of foods) yu can eat with impunity and which you
    have to avoid like the plague. It's actually quite an eye opener to see that generally, we eat very
    simliar foods on a day to day, week to week basis, so working out what you're BG's will be after a
    particular meal soon becomes almost 2nd nature. This obviously makes "getting on" that much easier
    and less worrying.

    Quoted message said:


    My Cholesterol is high - 210 (155 LDL, 55 HDL). I need to dig-out my trig levels (I have them
    somewhere). I am exercising aerobically 30-40 mins every day, since my first post to this group. I
    have exercised in the past too, but with lower intensity, alternating 20 mins aerobic one day with
    25 min weights the next. I will soon add some limited strength training on every alternate day on
    top of the aerobic exercise, with aero only for the other days. Should I take a break from
    exercise on any day?

    Personally (and it IS only a personal opinion) I would. If only because exercise CAN become
    addictive, and I'm THE easiest person in the world to "addict" :-) That's why I don't do drugs and I
    don't drink. I KNOW I'd be an addict overnight. You could well be different, so it'll be a personal
    choice, but I dont think exercising every day will cause you ANY harm whatsoever.

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    I have definitely noticed that it is now harder for me to shrink and get rid of my potbelly than
    it was 5-10 years ago. Maybe it's the fact I am no longer 25 or 30.

    I'd say age makes a HUGE impact on our shape. At least for the majority of people, enen "straight"
    guys like you were a few months ago:-))

    And maybe it's the insulin that's been

    Quoted message said:

    "helping" me grow my belly.

    It's a possibility, but not one that I'd "blame" on insulin. Granted insulin is a growth hormone and
    it reduces our ability to burn fat, but that would require somewhat more than normal levels, and for
    somewhat more than a few months, or even a year or two.

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    The glycemic index makes perfect sense to me, but there is so much conflicting info out there.
    Should I go on a low-carb diet for life or not?

    Again a personal opinion only, but I'd give a very emphatic NO to that idea. Why? Simply because I
    believe we need something of ALL the food groups, so "low" X, Y, or Z won't work for me. I eat LESS
    carbs than I ever did, but I don't eat LOW carb. I try for a fairly even 33/33/33 split
    (fat/prot/carb), but if I'm going to err on the side of anything being low, it WILL be the carbs,
    but if you're heading off to the gym every day )or every other day) carbs will be needed in higher
    quantities than ANY low carb diet could provide, so use your meter and base carb and exercise levels
    on what both do to your BG level.

    Can I eat any kind of bread on a regular basis, or should all my

    Quoted message said:

    carbs come from oats, brown rice and veggies?

    I eat bread every single day. On average 3 slices. One with my 5:00pm (what we call "tea" over here)
    meal and two with my 10:00pm supper. Sometimes 3 slices if I've been very active, but usually just
    2. I can have ANYTHING on that sandwhich.

    Should I go high-meat or

    Quoted message said:

    low-meat or completely veggie?

    Neither. You should go "high balanced" :-))

    What should I endeavor to be my maximum

    Quoted message said:

    bg 1 hour after meals? 100? 120? 130?

    I attempt to keep it below 120, but I'm a T1 "insulin shooter" so I CAN do it with a bit of needle
    jiggery pokery, providing I don't go crazy at the meal table.

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    How do I know my arteries aren't getting blocked unless I do one of those dye tests?

    You don't, but you don't need to worry about it either. You're till a young bloke and you're going
    through what MANY MANY of us have been through. Being young(ish), having a family to support and a
    life to live, then WHAMMO,

    didn't. (Well I did, but I refused to pay the funeral costs so they wouldn't bury me:-)

    Cart, DON'T let this thing cost you your life (and by that I mean don't let it RULE your life). It's
    early days and right now, it's right at the front of your mind, but that WILL change, as will your
    percepton of the seriousness of it all. Let your arteries worry about themselves for now.

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    In these past days, I have learnt much better what my mother went through and how she held
    herself, her spirits and her family together through that. She has been a tightly controlled
    diabetic for over 20 years now. I am her son and if she can do it, I can too.

    Absolutely you can.

    I loved that

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    quote at the beginning of The First Year book - "The best way to ensure you live a long, healthy
    life is to get a chronic disease.

    Yeah, that's the "half empty of half full" thing again.

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    Because you really learn to take care of yourself." The hell with the simple carbs. I want to see
    my son grow-up and have kids.

    That's what I thought 16 years ag, and I'm now watching my daughter-in-law grow the first one, so
    it'll happen.

    My mom saw

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    and held my child, I want to see and hold his. I can live without the candy, and the exercise I
    should be doing anyway. I guarantee you that I will be telling my son to monitor his bg on a
    regular basis once he hits 25.

    As I get mine to do already. Fortunately he's a stick insect:-) and hes a very hard worker, so he
    TAYS "stick insect". No pot belly on him and no signs of one developing.

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    As you can probably tell, I'm still pretty emotional. I cannot even begin to thank everyone on
    this group for being there for me.

    We ALL understand where you are right now, and one day YOU'LL be typing a response out like this to
    another newbie to the club. THAT'S how we thank each other.

    Beav

  13. "Priscilla H Ballou" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Randy Sigman <[email hidden]> quoth:

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    But not by a massive amount, although it's enough of a heads up to make


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    consider somewhat less crabs in your diet and a tad more exercise. An official GTT would have
    my sugars up over 30mmol/ml in less than an


    hour and

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    they'd stay there 'til I injected a substantial amount of insulin which would then require
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    follow, so you're not in T1/T2 diabetic arena as yet, and hopefully if


    you

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    keep to a GOOD (read "balanced"😉 diet, you won't ever be either.

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    If anyone is interested, I have devised a low-crab diet that seems work


    well for

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    me. 🙂

    I hope it's low-crab high-lobster!

    Nether region crabs. Yummy :-)

    Beav

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    If anyone is interested, I have devised a low-crab diet that seems work


    well for

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    me. 🙂

    I hope it's low-crab high-lobster!

    MHD is crackin me up today!

    And them crabs can get INTO your crack too, but they don't smoke too good:-)

    Beav (checking EVERY bloody word:-)

  15. "Beav" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I cannot eat what non-diabetics do without dire consequences.

    Now THAT can be taken as either a "half empty" or "half full" glass. Lots


    of problems (not necessarilly diabetes) are caused or excacerbated, by what we eat, so you COULD end
    up living a longer and more healthy life now that you KNOW what you can't throw in the trough, than
    you would otherwise have done. although I'm not a flag waving "I'm glad I'm diabetic" type, it HAS
    made me eat a lot more healthily and the result has been good weight control and high energy levels
    and apparently I don't look anything like my age. (according to everyone I know that is)

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    Would I have been in the same condition had I NOT become diabetic? Who


    knows, but personally, I doubt it, I'd have been a fat arsed couch potato.

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    Me too. I'm one of those who has become "healthier than ever" because of the need to control
    diabetes. And I'm enjoying my running, and participating in some races (though the 5:30 alarm clock
    isn't much fun!). This year is even better -- I'm in a whole new age group -- not only am I at the
    bottom of the age group, there are fewer of us in it so I have a better chance to "place"!

    And, paradoxically, being diabetic actually helped me get through my cancer treatment (and
    subsequent followups) because of the good habits I'd acquired re: eating & exercising. bj

  16. Priscilla H Ballou said:

    Randy Sigman <[email hidden]> quoth:

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    Beav <[email hidden]> wrote:

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    But not by a massive amount, although it's enough of a heads up to make you consider somewhat
    less crabs in your diet and a tad more exercise. An official GTT would have my sugars up over
    30mmol/ml in less than an hour and they'd stay there 'til I injected a substantial amount of
    insulin which would then require "feeding" later on to stop the guaranteed hypo that would
    follow, so you're not in T1/T2 diabetic arena as yet, and hopefully if you keep to a GOOD (read
    "balanced"😉 diet, you won't ever be either.

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    If anyone is interested, I have devised a low-crab diet that seems work well for me. 🙂

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    I hope it's low-crab high-lobster!

    Actually it is low-shellfish. 🙂

    Randy

  17. Randy Sigman <[email hidden]> quoth:

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    Randy Sigman <[email hidden]> quoth:

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    Beav <[email hidden]> wrote:

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    > But not by a massive amount, although it's enough of a heads up to make you consider somewhat
    > less crabs in your diet and a tad more exercise. An official GTT would have my sugars up over
    > 30mmol/ml in less than an hour and they'd stay there 'til I injected a substantial amount of
    > insulin which would then require "feeding" later on to stop the guaranteed hypo that would
    > follow, so you're not in T1/T2 diabetic arena as yet, and hopefully if you keep to a GOOD (read
    > "balanced"😉 diet, you won't ever be either.

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    If anyone is interested, I have devised a low-crab diet that seems work well for me. 🙂

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    I hope it's low-crab high-lobster!

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    Actually it is low-shellfish. 🙂

    Ah! The altruistic diet.

    Priscilla

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