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  1. What do they have that would interest a cycling-mad tourist?

    Note: I wont actually be cycle-touring over there, maybe not even riding :-( I'm just wondering if
    there are any cool bike-things I can see or do? i.e. Campag museum? Jan Ullrich memorial
    statue? World's only bike totally constructed from potatoes, lycra kilt construction
    classes... you get the idea...

    I'm going to be over there in April this year. YAY! (No, I'm not going to France.. No, I'm not going
    to be over there during the Tdf.. shuddup already! :-P)

    hippy

  2. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Hippy
    What do they have that would interest a cycling-mad tourist?

    Note: I wont actually be cycle-touring over there, maybe not even riding :-( I'm just wondering if
    there are any cool bike-things I can see or do? i.e. Campag museum? Jan Ullrich memorial
    statue? World's only bike totally constructed from potatoes, lycra kilt construction
    classes... you get the idea...

    I'm going to be over there in April this year. YAY! (No, I'm not going to France.. No, I'm not going
    to be over there during the Tdf.. shuddup already! :-P)

    hippy

    I regret not getting to any 6 day races in Germany when I was there (but I did see the final stage of Le tour in 2000....)

    I did get to ride from Lauterbrunnen to Interlaken and back in Switzerland. 1hr down, 5 hours back up again. Lots of fun despite barrelling down the RHS of the road with no helmet on a rental MTB with floppy suspension. Of course there's plenty of other mountains to play on wherever you are.

    But surely you'd have to consider getting to one of the classics:

    04.04.2004 04.04.2004 Tour des Flandres BEL CDM
    07.04.2004 07.04.2004 Gent-Wevelgem BEL 1.HC
    11.04.2004 11.04.2004 Paris - Roubaix FRA CDM
    18.04.2004 18.04.2004 Amstel Gold Race NED CDM
    21.04.2004 21.04.2004 La Flèche Wallonne BEL 1.HC
    25.04.2004 25.04.2004 Liège - Bastogne - Liège BEL CDM

    The potato bike is over-rated.......

  3. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Hippy
    What do they have that would interest a cycling-mad tourist?

    Note: I wont actually be cycle-touring over there, maybe not even riding :-( I'm just wondering if
    there are any cool bike-things I can see or do? i.e. Campag museum? Jan Ullrich memorial
    statue? World's only bike totally constructed from potatoes, lycra kilt construction
    classes... you get the idea...

    I'm going to be over there in April this year. YAY! (No, I'm not going to France.. No, I'm not going
    to be over there during the Tdf.. shuddup already! :-P)

    hippy

    Call in to Giuseppe Bianchi's bicycle shop (no relation to Eduardo, the bicycle maker) in Florence (Firenze). Do a bit of window shopping and buy one of his nice blue jerseys. Giuseppe doesn't speak English, but knows a cyclist when he sees one.

    Hire bicycles are reasonably plentiful in Italy and Germany and there are some great places to explore, even for a short period. All but the biggest cities are fairly compact, so it is easy to get out into the countryside.

    I have never cycled in the UK, but I gather it is much less bicycle friendly.

    John Retchford

  4. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by John Retchford
    I have never cycled in the UK, but I gather it is much less bicycle friendly.
    [/B]

    Cambridge (UK) is bike friendly and also worth a visit, just to see a town where bikes are the norm (lots of students, no useful PT, flat ground and most of the roads are blocked to cars).
    Good to see people riding to the pub, I reckon. (If I had a bike I'd let out of my sight, I'd ride to the pub instead of walking too).

  5. hippy said:

    What do they have that would interest a cycling-mad tourist?

    Note: I wont actually be cycle-touring over there, maybe not even riding :-( I'm just wondering if
    there are any cool bike-things I can see or do? i.e. Campag museum? Jan Ullrich memorial
    statue? World's only bike totally constructed from potatoes, lycra kilt construction
    classes... you get the idea...

    I'm going to be over there in April this year. YAY! (No, I'm not going to France.. No, I'm not
    going to be over there during the Tdf.. shuddup already! :-P)

    hippy

    In terms of clothing in Italy:

    Campagnolo - located in Vicenza, near the main turnoff from the autostrada. No showroom or display
    area and factory tours are a definite no-can-do.

    Pinarello - located in Treviso, about half way between Vicenza and Venice. Showroom in front of
    factory and, if you start to email them now, you may be able to do a factory tour. There is also
    the world famous 'Pinarello shop' in the heart of Treviso that is a great place to get a bargain
    frame or bike.

    Colnago - located in Cambiago, about 30 minutes outside of Milan, right near an autostrada turnoff
    as well. Big apricot building with showroom inside. If you email them you can organise a factory
    tour which is extremely interesting - something I recommend.

    Travelling between these places - note that all of the above companies are located along the A1
    autostrada that runs east-west between Milan and Venice.

    Nalini - located at address below, near Mantova, about 25mins drive south of Verona and 30mins north
    of Ferrari. The place to go if you want clothing. Massive factory outlet located next to production
    facilities that has six 20m aisles of clothing stretching stacked roof high. When I visited in 2001,
    jerseys were $100 and bib knicks $110 here in Melbourne. I picked up all my jerseys for AUS$36 and
    bib-knicks for AUS$45 and the dollar was at 1-1 against the Deustchmark, 1-1000 against the Lire,
    and $0.49 against the US dollar. And there are four prices when buying: the normal price, the cash
    price, the price without a receipt, and the cash price without a receipt. I recommend the latter,
    and don't be afraid to ask as they expect it.

    Moa Sport Via Roppi, 48 46033 Castel D'Ario Mantova - Italy If coming off autostrada from
    Verona/Mantova, you'll travel along the SS10. Drive through the only main street of the very small
    Castel D'Ario and then look for Via Roppi on your right, where you will cross over tram/light rail
    tracks. The factory is then on the corner about 50m ahead on your right - it is not well marked.

    Santini SMS - have a factory outlet as well that I drove past at 10.00pm - so I can't comment on
    what it is like. Nor can I remember where it was although the website will give you the address.

    In terms of teams/racing in Italy, you can go to the headquarters of Fasso Bortolo, Saeco, Domina
    Vacanze and the like and get memorabilia, paraphenalia and team kits. A good thing to do as well,
    especially the Saeco option as they give you a coffee, show you round and are generally interested
    in you and appreciative of your efforts to visit them.

    In terms of Germany, there is a factory for Biemme Clothing (which I didn't visit), the address of
    which is available on the web. Also, team headquarters for Team T-Mobile and Gerolsteiner which are
    worth a visit as well for the reasons outlined above (especially the team kit of T-Mobile - made by
    Nailini but branded as Adidas and very rarely available - even at the adidas factory in
    Herzogenaurach.

    Also, visit the local bike stores throughout Germany (like Stadtler) as they sell both Continenal
    tyres and Roeckel gloves much, much cheaper than what they can be purchase for here in Oz.

    Hope this helps.

  6. "Shabby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I regret not getting to any 6 day races in Germany when I was there


    (but

    Quoted message said:

    I did see the final stage of Le tour in 2000....)

    I'll see it one day.. can only go for 4 weeks during April though.

    Quoted message said:

    I did get to ride from Lauterbrunnen to Interlaken and back in Switzerland. 1hr down, 5 hours back
    up again. Lots of fun despite barrelling down the RHS of the road with no helmet on a rental MTB


    with

    Quoted message said:

    floppy suspension.

    hehe sounds like fun!

    Quoted message said:

    But surely you'd have to consider getting to one of the classics:
    04.04.2004 04.04.2004 Tour des Flandres BEL CDM

    This is the only one I am O.S. for (April only), but I'll be in Italy then. Where did you get this
    list from? Maybe I can find some other races to check out - even local races perhaps?

    Quoted message said:

    The potato bike is over-rated.......

    Yes, I have heard this from other potato bike riders. Something about the high amount of head-
    tube flex...

    hippy

  7. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Shabby
    Cambridge (UK) is bike friendly and also worth a visit, just to see a town where bikes are the norm (lots of students, no useful PT, flat ground and most of the roads are blocked to cars).
    Good to see people riding to the pub, I reckon. (If I had a bike I'd let out of my sight, I'd ride to the pub instead of walking too).

    Thanks, Shabby.

    I have never ridden in the UK, so my comment was based on heresay. I'm sure there are a lot of good places to ride. But the total road length in the UK is only about half that of France, so there is likely to be a higher traffic density - especially as the French use their wonderful train system istead of driving, whereas the Thatcher government pulled Britain's out. I must ride with Audax in the UK some day, but riding to the pub sounds good too!

    John Retchford

  8. "John Retchford" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Call in to Giuseppe Bianchi's bicycle shop (no relation to Eduardo,


    the

    Quoted message said:

    bicycle maker) in Florence (Firenze). Do a bit of window shopping and buy one of his nice blue
    jerseys. Giuseppe doesn't speak English, but knows a cyclist when he sees one.

    Any special reason to buy one of _his_ jerseys? I hadn't thought about it before, but some foreign
    cycling gear would be cool!

    Quoted message said:

    Hire bicycles are reasonably plentiful in Italy and Germany and there are some great places to
    explore, even for a short period. All but the biggest cities are fairly compact, so it is easy to
    get out into the countryside.

    I'll see if I can get out on a bike somewhere over there. Only issue would be the fact that I obsess
    over carrying a camera everywhere and I wouldn't carry this one on a bike..

    How steep are those "hills" for an aussie? :-)

    hippy

  9. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Hippy
    This is the only one I am O.S. for (April only), but I'll be in Italy then. Where did you get this
    list from? Maybe I can find some other races to check out - even local races perhaps?

    Quoted message said:

    The potato bike is over-rated.......

    Yes, I have heard this from other potato bike riders. Something about the high amount of head-
    tube flex...

    hippy [/B]

    http://www.uci.ch/english/road/calendar/calendar_2004/index.htm

    The frame also had a tendancy to get mashed when you came off it.

  10. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Hippy
    "John Retchford" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Call in to Giuseppe Bianchi's bicycle shop (no relation to Eduardo,


    the
    Quoted message said:

    bicycle maker) in Florence (Firenze). Do a bit of window shopping and buy one of his nice blue
    jerseys. Giuseppe doesn't speak English, but knows a cyclist when he sees one.



    Any special reason to buy one of _his_ jerseys? I hadn't thought about it before, but some foreign
    cycling gear would be cool!

    There are heaps of good shops around Europe. I mention Bianchi's jerseys because they look so good and because they don't advertise a trade team or a manufacturer you are not likely to see another one in Melbourne unless you run into my son. for whom we bought one.

    Quoted message said:

    Hire bicycles are reasonably plentiful in Italy and Germany and there are some great places to
    explore, even for a short period. All but the biggest cities are fairly compact, so it is easy to
    get out into the countryside.



    I'll see if I can get out on a bike somewhere over there. Only issue would be the fact that I obsess
    over carrying a camera everywhere and I wouldn't carry this one on a bike..

    Cycling is when you need the camera. Just take out travel insurance.

    How steep are those "hills" for an aussie? :-)

    Plenty of attractive valleys to ride along. The Mosel, Rhein and Danube (Donau) in Germany are great and the Po valley is very flat. My wife has a mild hill allergy, so we have ridden plenty of valleys!

    hippy

    Enjoy yourself!

    John Retchford

  11. hippy said:

    Subject: Italy, Germany, Ireland, Scotland.. From: "hippy" <[email hidden]>

    What do they have that would interest a cycling-mad tourist?

    If you go anywhere near Munich, you *MUST*, and there's a lot of must-sees in Europe, but this
    is a *MUST*!

    Go visit the Kloster Andechs monastery brewery and beer hall.

    Hot roasted pork, fresh crusty bread, and the most fantastic dark black malty beer... <makes Homer
    Simpson drooling noise>

    If you're not into beer, then go for the beautiful mountain scenery, and cathedral.

    Failing that, ride the danube bike path from Tuttlingen to Sigmaringen - Gorges, little villages...
    bloody beautiful

    -kt

    --
    Kingsley Turner, (mailto: [email hidden]) maddogsbreakfast.comABFAQ -
    news:aus.bicycle Frequenly Asked Questions

  12. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Kingsley

    Go visit the Kloster Andechs monastery brewery and beer hall.

    Hot roasted pork, fresh crusty bread, and the most fantastic dark black malty beer... <makes Homer
    Simpson drooling noise>

    If you're not into beer, then go for the beautiful mountain scenery, and cathedral.
    Failing that, ride the danube bike path from Tuttlingen to Sigmaringen - Gorges, little villages...
    bloody beautiful

    -kt

    Well if you're going to visit there Hippy, you gonna have to post a report back to Pub Bicycle Users Group concerning the quality of the bier. ....😄

  13. Reply-To: [email hidden]

    am 16.01.04 schrieb kingsley [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    If you go anywhere near Munich, you *MUST*, and there's a lot of must-sees in Europe, but this is
    a *MUST*!

    Interesting that every foreign torist wants to go to Munich. Its only one of 16 captial cities here
    in Germany. If you like to go for mountain riding, go a little more south to the region of Allgaeu
    or near the lake of Constanze, that the Area with our really high mountsins. The alpes in Austria,
    Swiss, France and Italy much higher than the german Alpes.

    Quoted message said:

    Go visit the Kloster Andechs monastery brewery and beer hall.

    Be carefully with the different brands they offer there. They are offering "Starkbier" there.

    Quoted message said:

    Hot roasted pork, fresh crusty bread, and the most fantastic dark black malty beer... <makes Homer
    Simpson drooling noise>

    Usualy you can get Pilsner Bier, Starkbier, Altbier (region of Duessledorf), Kölsch (only brewes in
    Colgne). Malty beer has no alcohl! If you're not in beer, you can get very good wines in Germany
    too! Most german wines are withe wine.

    Quoted message said:

    mountain scenery, and cathedral.

    There are still the Rhine, Mosel and many other rivers, most of them has got bike pathes.

    Quoted message said:

    Failing that, ride the danube bike path from Tuttlingen to Sigmaringen - Gorges, little villages...
    bloody beautiful

    You mustn't go only bike pathes. There are many small roads you can good, that much more interesing
    than the tourists pathes. You'll find good maps in every book store in Germany. If you come up here
    in summer (June to September) you'll find many bike tourists.

  14. Reply-To: [email hidden]

    am 17.01.04 schrieb cfsmtb spam@spameggs&spam.com.vic:

    Quoted message said:

    Well if you're going to visit there Hippy, you gonna have to post a report back to Pub Bicycle
    Users Group concerning the quality of the bier. ....😄

    Perhaps I can help you. Our beeres are all brewed in the same way. The law from 16th century sayes,
    that only malt, hops, water and yeast is allowed. The malt is taken from barley or wheat. In
    northern Germany you'll find more beeres from bareley in the southern part you'll find both.

  15. Stefan Drüke said:

    Interesting that every foreign torist wants to go to Munich. Its only one of 16 captial cities
    here in Germany.

    I think that's because it's one of the most marketed cities.

    Down here in AU, whenever you see travel information about Germany, it's all beer halls (usually
    Hoffbrau(sp?) House), a photo of the square (name?) outside the Glockenspiel (main sqaure in the old
    centre of Munich), and *maybe* a photo of the TV-tower or the Reighstags Building (parliment) in
    Berlin. Add a few Barvarian paddocks or farmhouses for fillers. Actually, thinking about this a bit
    more - all the Romantich Strasse too (Neuschwanstien, Rothenburg, et. al.).

    I expect it's much the same for Australia in Germany - a picture of Sydney Harbour, QLD
    Beaches/Reef, and "The Outback". It's what the travel companies think people want to see.

    Quoted message said:

    If you like to go for mountain riding, go a little more south to the region of Allgaeu or near the
    lake of Constanze, that the Area with our really high mountsins. The alpes in Austria, Swiss,
    France and Italy much higher than the german Alpes.

    Would these still be snowy in April ?

    I read that it's an excellent ride down from one of the passes into Italy... but then you read
    the bit that says "Be prepared for snow, even in summer" - not something I wanted to tow the
    kids through.

    Actually around Kirchzarten (SW Germany, between Freiburg and Titisee) there was heaps of mountain
    biking stuff, including a mountain-biking school, which I thought was an exceedingly good idea. Nice
    campground here too. Saw lots of MTB-dudes on fantastic machines.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Hot roasted pork, fresh crusty bread, and the most fantastic dark black malty beer... <makes Homer
    Simpson drooling noise>

    [...] Malty beer has no alcohl!

    IIRC Andechs Doppelbock Dunkel Bier is a bit under 8% I made a beer tasting diary, recording each
    beer, how it was, where I got it, and the alcohol %. I failed to record the % for Andechs I must
    admit, but I can assure you it is not 0%.

    -kt

  16. kingsley said:

    I think that's because it's one of the most marketed cities.

    Right its the most popular city for foreigners.

    Quoted message said:

    Down here in AU, whenever you see travel information about Germany, it's all beer halls (usually
    Hoffbrau(sp?) House), a photo of

    You mean Hofbraeuhaus (ae = Umlaut a, a special german letter).

    Quoted message said:

    the square (name?) outside the Glockenspiel (main sqaure in the old centre of Munich),

    I've been only 3 or 4 times in Munich, but I didn't remember that name.

    Quoted message said:

    and *maybe* a photo of the TV-tower or

    If you're near the TV-Tower you're near the Olympic Stadium, if you mean that tower.

    Quoted message said:

    the Reighstags Building (parliment) in Berlin.

    If you come there, cross the Brandenburg Gate and go down the road "Unter den Linden" then you'll be
    in the District called Berlin-Mitte, that the former East-Berlin. Most interesting parts there are,
    the "Palast der Repbulik", The Museum Island with "Pergamon Museum" and to other museums and the
    Cathedral of Berlin.

    Youll find stones let in the road near Reichstag and Brandenburg Gate, so you can see where the
    "Mauer" went along.

    Quoted message said:

    Add a few Barvarian paddocks or farmhouses for fillers.

    That kind of farmhouses you'll find alll over the alpes there typical for the alpes, but not only
    typical for Bavaria.

    Quoted message said:

    Actually, thinking about this a bit more - all the Romantich Strasse too (Neuschwanstien,
    Rothenburg, et. al.).

    I think you mean "Straße der Romantik". But Neu-Schwanstein is a tourist trap, but there are other
    interesting castles at that street. "Rothenburg ob der Tauber" is a very nice middle aged city.

    If you're interessted in the middle-aged history of Germany its a very good chose. You'll find some
    national parcs in Bavaria to. The oldest and biggest is the "Bayrische Wald" (Near the Czech
    border), but I think that's to far east from your planned tour. You can find that kind of forest
    along your tour too.

    Quoted message said:

    I expect it's much the same for Australia in Germany - a picture of Sydney Harbour, QLD
    Beaches/Reef, and "The Outback". It's what the travel companies think people want to see.

    Put Ayeres Rock, some kangoos, some emus to that and your're right.

    But if you really want, you can get very good literatur about Australia. I hope can plan sometime a
    biycile holiday in australia

    I think Australia is to big to do it in a 2-weeks holiday. I'm not afraid to get into a plane. But
    Europa - Australia is a very long flight. Here in our villages is someone who travels to his brother
    near Sydney every year. He stays there normally five weeks.

    Quoted message said:

    Would these still be snowy in April ?

    Yes, some areas have snow till may. For a Tranalp cycle its best time July or August.

    Quoted message said:

    I read that it's an excellent ride down from one of the passes into Italy... but then you read
    the bit that says "Be prepared for snow, even in summer" - not something I wanted to tow the
    kids through.

    It depends how high that passes are and at what time you're going there. In general some warm
    clothes are a good insurance in the alpes.

    Quoted message said:

    Actually around Kirchzarten (SW Germany, between Freiburg and Titisee) there was heaps of mountain
    biking stuff, including a mountain-biking school, which I thought was an exceedingly good idea.
    Nice campground here too. Saw lots of MTB-dudes on fantastic machines.

    Okay, if you wan to do a MTB-Tour, southern Germany is a good chose, if you want to stay in Germany.
    But Austria and Swiss have the higher mountains.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Hot roasted pork, fresh crusty bread, and the most fantastic dark black malty beer... <makes
    Homer Simpson drooling noise>

    [...] Malty beer has no alcohl!

    IIRC Andechs Doppelbock Dunkel Bier is a bit under 8%

    That not Malty beer, thats calles "Starkbier". The black and the dark has to do with the brewing.

    Quoted message said:

    I made a beer tasting diary, recording each beer, how it was, where I got it, and the alcohol %. I
    failed to record the % for Andechs I must admit, but I can assure you it is not 0%.

    I knew, Andechs is a very special brewery. There only a very few brweries, which are brewing
    "Starkbier". Usulay you can get "Pils" everywhere.

  17. What about Scotland? the following is cut and pasted but it is interesting to read, plus Scotland (with good weather) has to be the most beautiful country in the world! I know that's easy to say sitting in Brisbane in the summertime! If interested, I'll find you friendly cyclists to show you around! Read on...

    How can any cyclist visit Scotland without going for a look at the first pneumatic bicycle tyre? Invented of course by a Scot! "John Dunlop, the inventor of pneumatic tyres, was a veterinary surgeon. He invented tyres, because his son had refused to ride cycles. Cycles in those days had no cushion around the rims of the wheels, and on the rough roads of the day, were somewhat painful to ride. In fact, they were called "bone-shakers".
    When his son refused to touch these uncomfortable contraptions, Dunlop started thinking about how to make them smoother to ride. One day, while working in his chamber, it occurred to him that he could fix the surgical tubes around the wheel and fill them with air. This would provide a padding, and mitigate the bumps.
    Of course, people who knew about cycles told him that it was a useless idea. Dunlop, nevertheless, went ahead with his insight. He used surgical tubes to wrap around the wheel, filled them with air, and sealed them"

    You can see the first tyre on a wooden bicycle wheel at The Royal Museum of Scotland http://www.nms.ac.uk/collections/ in Chambers Street, located in the heart of Edinburgh, ten minutes walk from the main railway station (Waverley Station) The cycle collection comprises 75 cycles plus related items and is of international importance. It includes an icon of the modern world, Dunlop's first pneumatic tyre of 1888 (1910). The oldest object is a fine example of the first type of two wheeled vehicle, the Hobbyhorse of c1820, probably owned by the 13th Earl of Eglinton (1935). A collection of cycles and one tricycle, acquired from an Edinburgh cycle dealer in 1910, represents some of the finest machines in the UK, each with original paint and plating. The French built Michaux of 1869 from this collection is one of the finest in existence

  18. [QUOTE]Originally posted by El Guardo
    [B]On 16/1/04 12:00 AM, in article [email hidden], "hippy"

    Quoted message said:

    What do they have that would interest a cycling-mad tourist?

    Note: I wont actually be cycle-touring over there, maybe not even riding :-( I'm just wondering if
    there are any cool bike-things I can see or do? i.e. Campag museum? Jan Ullrich memorial
    statue? World's only bike totally constructed from potatoes, lycra kilt construction
    classes... you get the idea...

    I'm going to be over there in April this year. YAY! (No, I'm not going to France.. No, I'm not
    going to be over there during the Tdf.. shuddup already! :-P)

    hippy



    In terms of clothing in Italy:

    Campagnolo - located in Vicenza, near the main turnoff from the autostrada. No showroom or display
    area and factory tours are a definite no-can-do.

    Pinarello - located in Treviso, about half way between Vicenza and Venice. Showroom in front of
    factory and, if you start to email them now, you may be able to do a factory tour. There is also
    the world famous 'Pinarello shop' in the heart of Treviso that is a great place to get a bargain
    frame or bike.

    Colnago - located in Cambiago, about 30 minutes outside of Milan, right near an autostrada turnoff
    as well. Big apricot building with showroom inside. If you email them you can organise a factory
    tour which is extremely interesting - something I recommend.

    Are you still out there El Guardo? I was wondering how to go about contacting Colnago and Pinarello people to get a tour.

  19. Quoted post said:

    Are you still out there El Guardo? I was wondering how to go about contacting Colnago and Pinarello people to get a tour. [/B]

    Go to their webpages and then email any address you find there. Outline that you'll be touring around the area and would love to have a look.

    Took me four emails to organise Colnago. They were really good, and prompt with their replies, so I assume they get a lot of requests for a look around.

    For Pinarello, I just turned up and asked very nicely during the lunch break on a Friday afternoon and found someone still working instead of having their lunchtime nap.

    Also, bear in mind that De Rosa is also near Colnago (Milan). Additionally, no photos. You'll have to hand over your camera, bag and anything else you're carrying.

  20. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by El Guardo
    Go to their webpages and then email any address you find there. Outline that you'll be touring around the area and would love to have a look.

    Took me four emails to organise Colnago. They were really good, and prompt with their replies, so I assume they get a lot of requests for a look around.

    For Pinarello, I just turned up and asked very nicely during the lunch break on a Friday afternoon and found someone still working instead of having their lunchtime nap.

    Also, bear in mind that De Rosa is also near Colnago (Milan). Additionally, no photos. You'll have to hand over your camera, bag and anything else you're carrying.

    I'll be in northern Italy the week before Paris-Roubaix. I would love to see all three of those "shops". Speaking of bike shops, did you stop at any?

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