what do you think?

Sore ehh? Have you tried Butt Butter? You may want to try that before you go doing some wild stuff. I guess I'm lucky, I buy cheap mtb shorts, even though I ride a road bike mostly, and never got sores except once when I rode 158 miles in one day...but I was sore all over!

I edited it above, but yes I do use butt cream

What is your seat made of? Gel seats do have a tendency to that especially inexpensive ones.

Cobb saddle, V-Flow Plus. it's a great saddle

Well, IHMO comfort is #1 and looks are #2... or #10. Don't get me wrong, I like nice jerseys and/or bibs, but not all the way out there to be matching perfectly (to me that's a little out there, but that's just me, unless they are paying me).

I get some of my jersey's from Poland/Germany (family sends or brings them).

Now, I am somewhat experienced in the 'double shorts' department, back when I was doing indoor training. IMO, if you decide to sew 2 chamois' together, it might feel comfortable, but what will happen is you will be putting lots of extra pressure on your sensitive groin area, and you might start to run into some problems, like I did (groin/privates numbness)

I wouldn't recommend it.

gman0482 said:

Well, IHMO comfort is #1 and looks are #2... or #10. Don't get me wrong, I like nice jerseys and/or bibs, but not all the way out there to be matching perfectly (to me that's a little out there, but that's just me, unless they are paying me).

Ive always been that way since I was a kid playing sports. Always matched, always looked the part, I can't help it now as I am to far gone to be helped at this point 😄

Sores are just a symptom of a problem, mi amigo. The problem is too much pressure concentrated in one or more spots. Suggest you get out of the saddle more often or even get off the bike and walk around for a minute for every 15-20mins in the saddle to promote circulation. Sitting on ANY saddle for an extended period of time will cause problems due to reduced circulation at the places of most pressure. Further suggest you raise handlebars, tilt your saddle down slightly in front, decrease saddle height, or move saddle slightly forward. Any of these will move weight rearward onto your gluteals and away from your groin area.

Friction is a symptom. The problem is that your chamois/shorts doesn't/don't fit your anatomy properly - either too loose, too wide, or both, and it's bunching in the wrong places. Creams do not solve the problem - they mask it.

I don't use creams any more and regularly go on 5+hr rides. When I've gotten the start of a sore, the issue's quickly mitigated by a slight saddle adjustment. YMMV...

Don't agree with the double chamois idea - will make the real problem worse. Only serves to increase your saddle height (and severity of pressure points) when you may really need to decrease it.

My $0.02CAN worth...just tryin' to help - only area of expertise is my own body...

Cobb? Never heard of them so I checked them out on the internet...seems like another gimmick, besides no matter what a saddle manufacture tells you your butt is different from others, thus their "great" saddle may not work for you. Why not try a different saddle just to see what happens?

Because I just got it 3 weeks ago. it has been a MUCH more comfortable saddle than my last selle italia. I have 6 months to try this saddle out and still get a full refund so if it doesn't help then it goes back and I will try the specialized phenom saddle.

Tony-thanks for the helpful advice. I think you are right and I will scrap the idea.

I was thinking about lowering the bars which would rotate me in a more aero postion also rotating me forward relieving some of the pain on my sit bones. I know you said raise the bars which i have also tried but doing that puts me in a more upright position which makes my but flat like sitting on a chair putting my sit bones in direct pressure right?

bianchi10 said:

I was thinking about lowering the bars which would rotate me in a more aero postion also rotating me forward relieving some of the pain on my sit bones. I know you said raise the bars which i have also tried but doing that puts me in a more upright position which makes my but flat like sitting on a chair putting my sit bones in direct pressure right?

My mistake - I was under the assumption you were having pain in front (groin area) rather than rear (sit bones). Yes, the suggestions I made would only serve to exacerbate your current problem. Lowering the bars will indeed shift your weight forward. It will only take a small adjusment to make a significant difference in feel, so go slowly.

Basically doing the opposite of my suggestions will move your center of gravity forward and take some pressure off your sit bones. Still suggest getting out of/off of the saddle every so often to facilitate circulation. I really think your saddle height is too high - try lowering it a few millimeters...

well, it's kind of both. So if that is the case what do I do now? just try and find the happy medium?

let me rephrase....

the first 10-25 miles it is my sit bones, 25+ miles it becomes pain in the front groin area. almost a combo of aching as well as friction burn. The next two days I end up with a bit of a "rash" in the front grown.

so.....what would you recommend to do with body position?

Just wondering, is this something that came on with the Cobb saddle or were you having the same problem with the Selle Italia?

bianchi10 said:

well, it's kind of both. So if that is the case what do I do now? just try and find the happy medium?

let me rephrase....

the first 10-25 miles it is my sit bones, 25+ miles it becomes pain in the front groin area. almost a combo of aching as well as friction burn. The next two days I end up with a bit of a "rash" in the front grown.

so.....what would you recommend to do with body position?

Road cycling's not for you - you can't handle the pressure! Throw your bike away and get a recumbent😄.

Kidding of course, but my first recommendation is for you to lower your saddle 2-3mm. At this point, you'll just have to go through a process of elimination to get at the root cause(s) of your problem(s).

bianchi10 said:

Soooo....what do you think? :o

Wow!

I think that you are certainly a leading candidate to be the the poster boy for why a person shouldn't waste his/her time [and, money!] with a so-called professional fitting!

Did you say, somewhere, how tall & heavy you are?

Do you have any phyiscal pecularities (e.g., one leg slightly longer than the other)?

Post a picture of your bike which shows how it is currently set up.

kdelong said:

Just wondering, is this something that came on with the Cobb saddle or were you having the same problem with the Selle Italia?

it wasa 10x worse with my selle italia

I am 5'10", 175obs, no handicaps that I am aware of

bianchi10 said:

it wasa 10x worse with my selle italia

I am 5'10", 175obs, no handicaps that I am aware of

As has already been mentioned, lowering the saddle a tad might help if the saddle's too high. Don't forget when you change saddles, you most often have to change the height of the seat post because saddles have different stack heights. But.......

........you've been on the Cobb for a while now, so barring the saddle being in the wrong position, it sounds like the Cobb might not be for you. Unfortunately there is no sure fire way to saddle finding success. All the marketing verbage, biometric studies, love channel dredging, memory foam placing doesn't and can't trump what your bum, gooch, and inner thighs tell you they like or dislike. You're getting close to the time when you'll have to sidle up to the saddle bar to get another shot at grundle coddling love.

Maybe you have hemorrhoids? Have you had your ashe looked at lately? Please don't send pics of that though, the bike pic would be plenty.

I just buy $25-$35 liners from Performance Bike. While the longest rides I've probably been on have been about 2 hours, I don't have any issues. I do stop to take a break every now and then, though, just to walk around, drink some water, eat a Clif Bar, etc.

I'm sure there are definitely some materials out there that are better than others, but in the end, I think you're going to run into the same problem, regardless how much money you spend on a pair of shorts/bib/whatever. Just take a few minutes to stop and walk around to get some air circulating.

Or every 15 to 20 minutes get off the seat and pedal standing for a couple of minutes.