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Nuxx Bar said:

Spindrift claims that, despite driving regularly, he never speeds.  Do
you believe him

This is one of those discussions that will never end as neither of you
will back down. Any chance of agreeing to disagree like adults? I'm
sure the one who walks away from the argument will come out looking
like the better man. The one who carries on will just look like a sad
old loon.

Nuxx Bar said:

Spindrift claims that, despite driving regularly, he never speeds. Do
you believe him?

if he does or not is of no intrest to me and i suspect most people who
read this news group which is suposed to be about bikes.

roger
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Nuxx Bar said:

Spindrift claims that, despite driving regularly, he never speeds. Do
you believe him?

(Roger Merriman) said:

if he does or not is of no intrest to me and i suspect most people who
read this news group which is suposed to be about bikes.

if you cycle on the roads - discussions of how other road users behave
are only as OT(*) as you personally consider them to be

Nat said:

This is one of those discussions that will never end as neither of you
will back down. Any chance of agreeing to disagree like adults? I'm
sure the one who walks away from the argument will come out looking
like the better man. The one who carries on will just look like a sad
old loon.

quite a few of the regulars here indulge in arguing with the trolls
the reasons for them doing so may or may not be connected with how
they appear
but IMO the 'rec' in the group name is open to personal interpretation
the 'cycling' in the group name is not - & as a result I'm always on
the side of the cyclist

(*) On/ Off topic

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Spindrift claims that, despite driving regularly, he never speeds. Do
you believe him?

Why not? Neither do I - that's why I have a clean licence and have done
since 1996. I don't park illegally as well and lo and behold I have never
had a parking ticket either. How odd.

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Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

Nuxx Bar said:

Spindrift claims that, despite driving regularly, he never speeds.
Do you believe him?

I have no evidence to justify disbelieving him.

I cycle regularly and never go through correctly functioning red
traffic lights or the wrong way down one-way streets. Are you also
going to call me a liar?

regards, Ian SMith
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Nat said:

Nuxx Bar said:

Spindrift claims that, despite driving regularly, he never speeds.  Do
you believe him

This is one of those discussions that will never end as neither of you
will back down. Any chance of agreeing to disagree like adults? I'm
sure the one who walks away from the argument will come out looking
like the better man. The one who carries on will just look like a sad
old loon.

You could apply that logic to an argument where there was no obvious
right answer. However here, there is an entirely obvious right
answer. Assuming he drives regularly, which he says he does,
Spindrift speeds, and if he denies it, he is a liar. (You have to ask
yourself why he would lie, unless he was concerned that the truth
would make his speeding-related arguments look absurd. And you have
to ask yourself why he would make arguments which he knew to be
absurd, unless he had an ulterior motive for his camera support, e.g.
a pathetic hatred of motorists, and/or a financial interest in the use
of cameras.)

If you came across two people arguing, with Person A telling Person B
that he was breathing, and Person B saying "No, I never breathe",
would you tell them to "agree to disagree like adults"? Personally I
would tell Person B to stop being a lying [censored], and it's the same with
SPINdrift.

(Roger Merriman) said:

Nuxx Bar said:

Spindrift claims that, despite driving regularly, he never speeds.  Do
you believe him?

if he does or not is of no intrest to me and i suspect most people who
read this news group which is suposed to be about bikes.

Fine. If Spindrift never criticises Safe Speed again on this group,
I'll stop talking about him being a hypocritical speeder himself. But
I don't think that's going to happen any time soon.

You can't let him have his say but not his opponents.

On Apr 16, 1:55 pm, "Simon Mason" <[email hidden]>

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"Nuxx Bar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

Spindrift claims that, despite driving regularly, he never speeds.  Do
you believe him?

Why not? Neither do I - that's why I have a clean licence and have done
since 1996. I don't park illegally as well and lo and behold I have never
had a parking ticket either. How odd.

Oh look, another liar.

Just to be clear about what "never speeding" actually means, since
you're clearly having trouble. Never speeding means, err, *never*
going above the speed limit by *any* amount. It doesn't mean "only
drifting over occasionally". It doesn't mean "going over the limit
but not meaning to". It doesn't mean "going over the limit but at
less than the prosecution threshold". It doesn't mean "never getting
caught" (which you seem to think it does from your "clean licence"
comment). It means, surprisingly enough, never speeding.

So just to confirm that you're saying that you never exceed the speed
limit, by any amount, for any amount of time?

Nuxx Bar <[email hidden]> wrote:

<snip trolling>

thanks for the reply - interesting that although you are already in
the killfile it appears you pop up if you reply to me - so I won't
bother to plonk you again

Nuxx Bar said:

Assuming he drives regularly, which he says he does, Spindrift
speeds, and if he denies it, he is a liar.

This simply does not follow. You only make yourself look stupid by
claiming to use logic and then saying dumb things like the above.

You have yet to offer any evidence (or even, come to that, a baseless
assertion) that everyone that drives speeds.

Quoted message said:

If you came across two people arguing, with Person A telling Person B
that he was breathing, and Person B saying "No, I never breathe",
would you tell them to "agree to disagree like adults"? Personally I
would tell Person B to stop being a lying [censored], and it's the same with
SPINdrift.

If I came across two people arguing and person A told person B that he
was smoking a cigarette, and person B said "no, I have never smoked",
when person A then called him a lying [censored] without any supporting
evidence, I would conclude that person A was in fact a very silly
twit. I would probably point this out to person A, but then leave him
to continue assuring everyone that he really was Napoleon, Emperor of
Rome.

regards, Ian SMith
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Nuxx Bar said:

Just to be clear about what "never speeding" actually means, since
you're clearly having trouble. Never speeding means, err, *never*
going above the speed limit by *any* amount. It doesn't mean "only
drifting over occasionally". It doesn't mean "going over the limit
but not meaning to". It doesn't mean "going over the limit but at
less than the prosecution threshold". It doesn't mean "never getting
caught" (which you seem to think it does from your "clean licence"
comment). It means, surprisingly enough, never speeding.

Nuxxy - everyone else understands simple statements. You don't need
to assume we all have your levels of comprehension. If someone says
they never speed, I see no particular reason to disbelieve them.

Obviously (from your inability to accept the statements of others)
your driving is of a very poor standard, and you struggle to control
your speed, but that doesn't necessarily apply to everyone else. Not
everyone is the same as you. Many of us are grateful for this.

regards, Ian SMith
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Ian Smith said:

Nuxxy - everyone else understands simple statements. You don't need
to assume we all have your levels of comprehension. If someone says
they never speed, I see no particular reason to disbelieve them.

Not even reasons for Nuxx like "but it supports my hypothesis", or "I
have an IQ of 6"?

Pete.
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Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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It is possible not to speed in my car because I have a thing called a
speedo and a thingy called a break (sorry for no technical names, I am
a girl). I have found them very useful in my years of driving as they
prevent me from speeding quite well. When I seee a 30 sign, I push
this break thing till the number on the speedo says 30 or less.

Nat said the following on 16/04/2008 16:39:

Quoted message said:

It is possible not to speed in my car because I have a thing called a
speedo and a thingy called a break (sorry for no technical names, I am
a girl). I have found them very useful in my years of driving as they
prevent me from speeding quite well. When I seee a 30 sign, I push
this break thing till the number on the speedo says 30 or less.

Ah now, you see, if you need to brake when you see a 30 sign you were
going too fast :-)

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Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

Na, I brake slowly and in good time like I was taught so by the time I
pass the sign I am doing 30. Often I don't need to though as I just
take my foot off the other pedal...the what's it called.

"Nuxx Bar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 1:55 pm, "Simon Mason" <[email hidden]>

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"Nuxx Bar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

Spindrift claims that, despite driving regularly, he never speeds. Do
you believe him?

Why not? Neither do I - that's why I have a clean licence

Quoted message said:

So just to confirm that you're saying that you never exceed the >speed
limit, by any amount, for any amount of time?

That is correct, yes. That's what I said and I don't park illegally either.
In any case, even if I did speed and was subsequently fined for it, the last
thing I would do would be to whine and bleat about being hard done by. I
broke the law and got caught - end of story.

Also, I am stunned at the number of drivers who overtake me in 30 mph limit
that depend on their car for their living such as taxi drivers. They get
banned, they lose their jobs - can't understand the mentality.

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Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:54:59 -0700 (PDT), Nuxx Bar
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Quoted message said:

Spindrift claims that, despite driving regularly, he never speeds. Do
you believe him?

More to the point, do we care? At all? Even a tiny bit?

Guy
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"Nat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Na, I brake slowly and in good time like I was taught so by the time I
pass the sign I am doing 30. Often I don't need to though as I just
take my foot off the other pedal...the what's it called.

Yes, it is amazing how so many drivers find this skill so difficult to
master. I'm certainly not "staring constantly" at my speedo like many
drivers claim.

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Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

Simon Mason said the following on 16/04/2008 17:27:

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Yes, it is amazing how so many drivers find this skill so difficult to
master. I'm certainly not "staring constantly" at my speedo like many
drivers claim.

Of course not - that's what cruise control is for ;-) It does always
surprise me though when anti-camera people claim that driving is made
more dangerous because of the constant need to stare at the speedo. For
me, the clues are subtle things like engine and road noise, and how fast
the outside world is moving relative to the car. Oh well!

(The word 'subtle' above was intended to be mildly sarcastic, but I
don't think it read that way at all!)

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Paul Boyd
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