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On Jan 21, 7:28 pm, "Kenneth Clements" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Anyone see the article about increasing cycle use? Apparently the government
is putting extra money into this. The reporter was interviewing a cycling
trainer and his young daughter. The reporter asked her if she was worried
about cycling in traffic and she said *not when I'm with my dad, but when
I'm on my own I keep near the pavement* Hmmm.

I was hit by a bus on Thursday. Second to being told I'm in plaster
for at least 6 weeks the worst part was the courtesy call to my
parents. They wanted to know why I wasn't riding in the 0.5m wide
cycle lane running in the 'door zone' next to a parking bay.
They then suggested that I ride on the pavement in the future.....

peter

Kenneth Clements said:

Anyone see the article about increasing cycle use? Apparently the government
is putting extra money into this. The reporter was interviewing a cycling
trainer and his young daughter. The reporter asked her if she was worried
about cycling in traffic and she said *not when I'm with my dad, but when
I'm on my own I keep near the pavement* Hmmm.

I've heard on good authority that £120m will be going to Cycling
England over the next four years, about half of which will be for
cycle training.

This is a substantial investment, though it falls short of the £100m
per year I estimate it would cost to train every ten year old in the
country to Bikeability Level 2.

Tom Crispin said:

Kenneth Clements said:

Anyone see the article about increasing cycle use? Apparently the government
is putting extra money into this. The reporter was interviewing a cycling
trainer and his young daughter. The reporter asked her if she was worried
about cycling in traffic and she said *not when I'm with my dad, but when
I'm on my own I keep near the pavement* Hmmm.

I've heard on good authority that £120m will be going to Cycling
England over the next four years, about half of which will be for
cycle training.

This is a substantial investment, though it falls short of the £100m
per year I estimate it would cost to train every ten year old in the
country to Bikeability Level 2.

Hopefully, it will be enough to give cycling among people in that age
group a whopping big boost. If just one ten year old in eight reaches
level 2, that must be a lot more than at present.

Cheers (perhaps even two of them),
Luke

--
Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:31:10 GMT,

(Ekul Namsob) said:

Tom Crispin said:

Kenneth Clements said:

Anyone see the article about increasing cycle use? Apparently the government
is putting extra money into this. The reporter was interviewing a cycling
trainer and his young daughter. The reporter asked her if she was worried
about cycling in traffic and she said *not when I'm with my dad, but when
I'm on my own I keep near the pavement* Hmmm.

I've heard on good authority that £120m will be going to Cycling
England over the next four years, about half of which will be for
cycle training.

This is a substantial investment, though it falls short of the £100m
per year I estimate it would cost to train every ten year old in the
country to Bikeability Level 2.

Hopefully, it will be enough to give cycling among people in that age
group a whopping big boost. If just one ten year old in eight reaches
level 2, that must be a lot more than at present.

The Government target (haha) is 500,000. I am unsure if this is per
year or over four years. If local authorities match fund government
money it would be just enough cash to train 500,000 ten year olds per
year.

Quoted message said:

Cheers (perhaps even two of them),
Luke

On 21 Jan, 20:09, naked_draughtsman <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Jan 21, 7:28 pm, "Kenneth Clements" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Anyone see the article about increasing cycle use? Apparently the government
is putting extra money into this. The reporter was interviewing a cycling
trainer and his young daughter. The reporter asked her if she was worried
about cycling in traffic and she said *not when I'm with my dad, but when
I'm on my own I keep near the pavement*  Hmmm.

I was hit by a bus on Thursday.  Second to being told I'm in plaster
for at least 6 weeks the worst part was the courtesy call to my
parents.  They wanted to know why I wasn't riding in the 0.5m wide
cycle lane running in the 'door zone' next to a parking bay.
They then suggested that I ride on the pavement in the future.....

peter

How did they know that you weren't riding in the cycle lane? Or is it
a case of them seeing you and knocking you off anyway?

David Lloyd

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:09:35 -0800 (PST) someone who may be
naked_draughtsman <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

I was hit by a bus on Thursday. Second to being told I'm in plaster
for at least 6 weeks

Commiserations.

Quoted message said:

the worst part was the courtesy call to my
parents. They wanted to know why I wasn't riding in the 0.5m wide
cycle lane running in the 'door zone' next to a parking bay.
They then suggested that I ride on the pavement in the future.....

Which organisation made this telephone call?

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
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On 21 Jan, 20:09, naked_draughtsman <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I was hit by a bus on Thursday.

What happened? How's the bike?

On Jan 21, 8:09 pm, naked_draughtsman <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I was hit by a bus on Thursday.  Second to being told I'm in plaster
for at least 6 weeks the worst part was the courtesy call to my
parents.

Sorry to hear that, and I wish you a speedy recovery. What happened
exactly and how's the legal situation?

--
Dave...

On Jan 22, 8:53 am, David Hansen <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Which organisation made this telephone call?

I gave them a ring to let them know to save them the surprise when
they next drop in on me!

dkahn400 said:

Sorry to hear that, and I wish you a speedy recovery. What happened
exactly and how's the legal situation?

Thanks.

Bus overtook quite close then moved back in before passing me. I
moved in while banging on the back hoping the driver would hear but he
didn't and kept going. Not sure exactly how, probably a combination
of braking, steering and a 'shove', but ended up going over the
handlebars.

I'm still waiting to hear back from the police, as the driver didn't
stop.

Handlebars of bike were a bit loose from the knock but that was the
only damage to the bike!

peter

Tom Crispin said:

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:31:10 GMT,

(Ekul Namsob) said:

Tom Crispin <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've heard on good authority that £120m will be going to Cycling
England over the next four years, about half of which will be for
cycle training.

This is a substantial investment, though it falls short of the £100m
per year I estimate it would cost to train every ten year old in the
country to Bikeability Level 2.

Hopefully, it will be enough to give cycling among people in that age
group a whopping big boost. If just one ten year old in eight reaches
level 2, that must be a lot more than at present.

The Government target (haha) is 500,000. I am unsure if this is per
year or over four years. If local authorities match fund government
money it would be just enough cash to train 500,000 ten year olds per
year.

Do we know how many ten year olds there are nationwide? Wild guesses [1]
suggest to me that 500,000 could be a large proportion of them.

Cheers,
Luke

[1] A survey of people in my living room suggests there are none.

--
Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

naked_draughtsman said:

On Jan 21, 7:28 pm, "Kenneth Clements" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Anyone see the article about increasing cycle use? Apparently the government
is putting extra money into this. The reporter was interviewing a cycling
trainer and his young daughter. The reporter asked her if she was worried
about cycling in traffic and she said *not when I'm with my dad, but when
I'm on my own I keep near the pavement* Hmmm.

I was hit by a bus on Thursday. Second to being told I'm in plaster
for at least 6 weeks the worst part was the courtesy call to my
parents. They wanted to know why I wasn't riding in the 0.5m wide
cycle lane running in the 'door zone' next to a parking bay.
They then suggested that I ride on the pavement in the future.....

Get well soon. I'm a little confused. Did your parents suggest you ride
on the pavement or hospital staff?

Cheers,
Luke

--
Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

Tom Crispin said:

This is a substantial investment, though it falls short of the £100m
per year I estimate it would cost to train every ten year old in the
country to Bikeability Level 2.

How did you estimate that level of cost?

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naked_draughtsman said:

On Jan 21, 7:28 pm, "Kenneth Clements" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Anyone see the article about increasing cycle use? Apparently the government
is putting extra money into this. The reporter was interviewing a cycling
trainer and his young daughter. The reporter asked her if she was worried
about cycling in traffic and she said *not when I'm with my dad, but when
I'm on my own I keep near the pavement* Hmmm.

I was hit by a bus on Thursday. Second to being told I'm in plaster
for at least 6 weeks

My commiserations, being in plaster for six weeks is not nice, very
boring, frustrating and boring. I've got six days to go before my
plaster comes off.

the worst part was the courtesy call to my

Quoted message said:

parents. They wanted to know why I wasn't riding in the 0.5m wide
cycle lane running in the 'door zone' next to a parking bay.

So instead of being just knocked off by the bus, you would have been
squashed between the bus and parked cars.

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:54:41 GMT,

(Ekul Namsob) said:

Do we know how many ten year olds there are nationwide? Wild guesses [1]
suggest to me that 500,000 could be a large proportion of them.

Cycling England is a purely English organisation. The Welsh Assembly
and the Scottish Parliament hand out cash for cycling initiatives in
their respective countries.

A very rough estimate.

A population of England is 51,000,000,
divided by a life expectancy 75,
gives 680,000 people of any given age.
This is probably a better estimate for younger age groups than older
age groups.

Nigel said:

Tom Crispin said:

This is a substantial investment, though it falls short of the £100m
per year I estimate it would cost to train every ten year old in the
country to Bikeability Level 2.

How did you estimate that level of cost?

My estimate was made some time ago, I've forgotten how I calculated
it!!!

750,000 ten year olds.
Divided into groups of 12.
Two instructors per group.
Level 1 training 4 hours.
Level 2 training 12 hours.
Instructors' pay £20 per hour.

Comes to £40m, about £55 per child.

Perhaps my estimate was to train to Level 3 standard, where 2
instructors take 12 hours to train 8 children.

naked_draughtsman said:

dkahn400 said:

Sorry to hear that, and I wish you a speedy recovery. What happened
exactly and how's the legal situation?

Thanks.

Bus overtook quite close then moved back in before passing me. I
moved in while banging on the back hoping the driver would hear but he
didn't and kept going. Not sure exactly how, probably a combination
of braking, steering and a 'shove', but ended up going over the
handlebars.

It is a natural reaction - you get up out of the saddle to "deal" with
the problem then when you need to brake suddenly there is nothing
holding the back of the bike down and over the top you go.

I've done it a couple of times. Once to confront a dangerous driver, I
didn't hurt myself but I certainly made myself look silly.

Get well soon.

naked_draughtsman said:

dkahn400 said:

Sorry to hear that, and I wish you a speedy recovery. What happened
exactly and how's the legal situation?

Thanks.

Bus overtook quite close then moved back in before passing me. I
moved in while banging on the back hoping the driver would hear but he
didn't and kept going. Not sure exactly how, probably a combination
of braking, steering and a 'shove', but ended up going over the
handlebars.

I'm still waiting to hear back from the police, as the driver didn't
stop.

Failing to stop after an accident is an offense. The driver should be
prosecuted and lose his job IMHO.

M.

On Jan 22, 7:54 pm, [email hidden] (Ekul

Namsob) said:

Get well soon. I'm a little confused. Did your parents suggest you ride
on the pavement or hospital staff?

My parents made the suggestion about riding on the pavement. They're
only trying to be helpful.

The hospital had a noticeable number of posters around the place
though saying how important it was to always wear a helmet (presumably
when riding a bike as it the picture looked like a bike helmet!)

peter