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  1. Unlikely source:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4788f4e2-8112-11dc-9f14-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

    Proper rules for cyclists
    By Richard Tomkins

    Published: October 26 2007 18:34 | Last updated: October 26 2007 18:34

    Some while ago I read a newspaper story saying male cyclists who rode
    a lot risked impotence because of the damaging effect of the saddle on
    their reproductive organs. It quite made my day. In my opinion,
    anything that stops cyclists breeding is to be welcomed as an
    unmitigated good.

    I hate cyclists. At least, I hate the ones I see in London every day.
    Outwardly, they may appear to be nice, respectable, law-abiding,
    middle-class people, and perhaps they normally are. But the moment
    they straddle their bikes, something snaps.

    It is not just the self-righteousness that gets to them. It is a deep-
    seated sense of injustice. On the one hand, they feel smug and
    superior, yet on the other, they are constantly humiliated by the
    knowledge of their acute vulnerability. The unfairness of it all fills
    them with such outrage that they turn into complete nutters, gripped
    by a desire for vengeance on a world that has wronged them so cruelly.

    Their contempt for the law is breathtaking. They routinely ignore red
    traffic lights, menacing pedestrians crossing the road when it ought
    to be safe. They cycle the wrong way along one-way streets, notably
    outside our local primary school where they play dodge 'em with the
    parents and children every morning. They race over pedestrian
    crossings and along the pavements whenever it suits them, the more
    aggressive of them screaming abuse at anyone who gets in their way.
    Yet heaven help anyone, car driver or pedestrian, who strays even
    momentarily into a cycle lane.

  2. spindrift said:

    Unlikely source:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4788f4e2-8112-11dc-9f14-0000779fd2ac.html?n...

    Proper rules for cyclists
    By Richard Tomkins


    <snip>

    Interesting bit at the bottom, the 'What would you change' essay
    competition. Personally, I'd get rid of biggotted jounalists who come
    out with such unsubstantiated diatribes.

    David Lloyd

  3. spindrift said:


    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4788f4e2-8112-11dc-9f14-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

    Substitute 'motorists' for 'cyclists' and it starts to make a lot more
    sense.

  4. David Lloyd said:

    spindrift <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Unlikely source:
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4788f4e2-8112-11dc-9f14-0000779fd2ac.html?n...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Proper rules for cyclists
    By Richard Tomkins

    Quoted message said:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Interesting bit at the bottom, the 'What would you change' essay
    competition. Personally, I'd get rid of biggotted jounalists who come
    out with such unsubstantiated diatribes.

    Obviously, your use of "unsubstantiated" may well mean no more than
    that the phenomenon has not (yet) been the subject of scientific
    enquiry and a learned thesis. However, that particular
    "unsubstantiated diatribe" does no more than describe what hundreds of
    thousands of Inner (particularly Central) London pedestrians
    experience every working day. Far from being a diatribe or "biggotted"
    [sic], it seems a mild and accurate depiction of the everyday story of
    urban folk.

  5. "that particular
    "unsubstantiated diatribe" does no more than describe what hundreds
    of
    thousands of Inner (particularly Central) London pedestrians
    experience every working day."

    Garbage.

    My email to [email hidden]

    That was a very depressing read.

    I saw a young Polish bicycle courier killed by a lorry on my cycle
    ride to the FT last year. The driver was fined a risible amount.

    I don't think your article is helpful or constructive or will make the
    roads any safer, enough witless drivers share your antipathy toward
    cyclists who have done nothing wrong and use their vehicles as weapons
    against them.

    Mr Tomkins, could I interest you in joining me on my 7 mile commute
    through East London and The City? You could see for yourself the
    standard of driving in a city where up to 1 in 10 cars is uninsured
    and unregistered, with driving skills you would expect?

    This is a genuine offer, we could even play a game by the traffic
    lights by Millennium Bridge- I'll give you a quid for every cyclists
    who jumps the lights and you can give me a quid for every driver who
    does?

    Best regards

  6. It seems to make much more sense now:

    Some while ago I read a newspaper story saying male drivers who drove
    a lot risked impotence because of the damaging effect of hypertension,
    obesity and lack of exercise on their
    their reproductive organs. It quite made my day. In my opinion,
    anything that stops drivers breeding is to be welcomed as an
    unmitigated good.

    I hate motorists. At least, I hate the ones I see in London every day.
    Outwardly, they may appear to be nice, respectable, law-abiding,
    middle-class people, and perhaps they normally are. But the moment
    they get in their cars, something snaps.

    It is not just the self-righteousness that gets to them. It is a deep-
    seated sense of injustice. On the one hand, they feel smug and
    superior, yet on the other, they are constantly humiliated by the
    knowledge of their acute culpability. The unfairness of it all fills
    them with such outrage that they turn into complete nutters, gripped
    by a desire for vengeance on a world that has wronged them so cruelly.

    Their contempt for the law is breathtaking. They routinely ignore red
    traffic lights, menacing pedestrians crossing the road when it ought
    to be safe. They drive even faster along one-way streets, notably
    outside our local primary school where they play dodge 'em with the
    parents and children every morning. They race over pedestrian
    crossings and across the pavements whenever it suits them, the more
    aggressive of them screaming abuse and sounding horns at anyone who
    gets in their way.
    Yet heaven help anyone, cyclist or pedestrian, who strays even
    momentarily into their path.

  7. spindrift said:

    Unlikely source:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4788f4e2-8112-11dc-9f14-0000779fd2ac.html?n...

    Proper rules for cyclists

    Quoted message said:

    cyclists are otherwise freeloaders on road infrastructure that is overwhelmingly
    paid for by motorists

    Yet another supposedly intelligent journalist who can't seem to get
    his head round the fact that someone on a bike might also and at other
    times be a car driver - or a taxi, bus or HGV driver for that matter.
    I pay car tax (and here again, the author doesn't seem to realise that
    quite a lot of motorists don't bother) so that most days, according to
    his argument, I'm subsidising his driving whilst freeing up a car's
    length of road in the run up to every set of lights on my way to work.
    Lights at which I stop if they're on red, I shouldn't need to add, but
    will anyway.
    In the interests of balance, can we expect an article which condemns
    all car drivers as drunk, uninsured, teenaged joyriders, on the basis
    that he author has seen several who fit this description?

  8. [email hidden] said the following on 06/11/2007 15:01:

    Quoted message said:

    I pay car tax

    Er, no you don't!

    --
    Paul Boyd
    http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

  9. spindrift said:

    "that particular
    "unsubstantiated diatribe" does no more than describe what hundreds
    of thousands of Inner (particularly Central) London pedestrians
    experience every working day."

    Quoted message said:

    Garbage.

    What a wonderful standard of debate there is in here. You are equal to
    the best on your "side" of things.

    Quoted message said:

    My email to [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    That was a very depressing read.

    Quoted message said:

    I saw a young Polish bicycle courier killed by a lorry on my cycle
    ride to the FT last year. The driver was fined a risible amount.

    You know what he'll ask (and quite rightly): "What relevance does that
    have to the article?".

    Quoted message said:

    I don't think your article is helpful or constructive or will make the
    roads any safer, enough witless drivers share your antipathy toward
    cyclists who have done nothing wrong and use their vehicles as weapons
    against them.

    Do you think you might have worded that a little better? :-)

  10. "What a wonderful standard of debate there is in here. You are equal
    to
    the best on your "side" of things. "

    I'm not on any side.

    Someone on ACF put it better than I could:

    Dear Sir

    I recently happened to be referred to an essay published in the FT
    magazine as part of its essay competition. This was Richard Tomkins'
    essay 'Proper Rules for Cyclists', published on 26 October 2007.

    I am amazed that the FT has published such an ill-conceived diatribe.
    That such an error-laden diatribe was produced by the FT's Chief
    Feature Writer is even more dismaying - one might expect to read such
    a piece in the Sun or the Daily Mail, but not in the FT which is
    supposed to aspire to serious journalism.

    I would like to take issue with one or two of the assertions that
    appear in Mr Tomkins' tirade:

    "Their contempt for the law is breathtaking. They routinely ignore red
    traffic lights, menacing pedestrians crossing the road when it ought
    to be safe. They cycle the wrong way along one-way streets, notably
    outside our local primary school where they play dodge 'em with the
    parents and children every morning. They race over pedestrian
    crossings and along the pavements whenever it suits them, the more
    aggressive of them screaming abuse at anyone who gets in their way.
    Yet heaven help anyone, car driver or pedestrian, who strays even
    momentarily into a cycle lane.

    Does it matter? Yes, very much. Obviously, cyclists' flagrant
    disrespect for the law is a threat to public safety..."

    Can Mr Tomkins produce anything other than anecdotal evidence to
    support these assertions? If so, let him do so. The overwhelming
    evidence from reputable sources, such as the police, RoSPA and the
    government, would appear to show otherwise. That it is a minority of
    cyclists who flout the law - just as it is a minority of drivers who
    do so also.

    One has only to look at the statistics to see the truth about what is
    happening on our roads:

    · In 2006 there were 189,191 accidents on the UK roads resulting in
    258,404 casualties (3,172 deaths, 28,673 serious injuries and 226,559
    slight injuries)
    · There were 26,139 accidents in 2006 in which 30,982 pedestrians
    were killed or injured
    · Of the 26,139 accidents nationally only 202 involved a cyclist and
    a pedestrian (resulting in 3 deaths and 47 serious injuries).

    Cyclists are involved in fewer than 0.8% of accidents involving
    pedestrians - so that means that the poor, hard done by motorists Mr
    Tomkins refers to were responsible for more than 99.92% of accidents
    involving pedestrians.

    I would also suggest that cyclists are more likely to know the
    provisions of the Highway Code than the average motorist - perhaps Mr
    Tomkins would like to put this to the test? I'd be more than happy to
    go head-to-head with him.

    "More important, it is bad enough that a particular group of road
    users should regard themselves as above the law; it is much worse that
    the government and police should connive in it. Why should cyclists be
    allowed to commit dangerous traffic offences at will while vast
    numbers of police, traffic wardens and private sector contractors,
    assisted by spy cameras and other technology, are ready to pounce on
    car drivers for even the most trivial violations and punish them with
    heavy fines, the confiscation of their vehicles or worse?

    It is time London cracked down on cyclists' behaviour. I do not want
    to stop people cycling but I do want them to realise that the green
    halo hovering over their helmets does not put them in a special
    category of road users to whom no laws apply, any more than cycling to
    the supermarket gives them the right to shoplift with impunity."

    Given that conservative estimates from the police and the Motor
    Insurers Bureau is that there are approximately 1 million unregistered
    motor vehicles on the roads in the UK and 5% of cars on UK roads are
    uninsured, Mr Tomkins must have had difficulty in keeping a straight
    face whilst typing those paragraphs.

    "I realise the difficulty. At present, it is difficult to punish
    cyclists for breaking the law. The police stop a cyclist for jumping a
    red light, she gives them a false name and address and off she goes,
    the wrong way up a one way street. There is nothing much anyone can
    do."

    "Licensing would transform enforcement. Cyclists would be required to
    carry their licences with them at all times, providing proof of their
    identity..."

    Drivers are just as capable of providing false details as cyclists.
    Mr Tomkin may be not be aware that motorists are already required to
    carry their license with them at all time - but few do. Can Mr
    Tomkins honestly say that he has had his license with him every time
    he has been behind the wheel?

    "This is not asking much when you consider that cyclists are otherwise
    freeloaders on road infrastructure that is overwhelmingly paid for by
    motorists."

    Such ignorance of the funding of the road infrastructure is
    breathtaking for somebody connected with a financially oriented
    publication. Roads are funded through general taxation, not some
    mythical 'road tax' that motorists keep harping on about (for your
    information the 'road tax' was abolished in 1932!) This means that
    adult cyclists will be paying for the roads that they use. Adult
    cyclists are also likely to be car owners and paying Vehicle Excise
    Duty, etc. as well.

    And if you want to be fair, cyclists damage roads less than motor
    vehicles - therefore, perhaps we cyclists should be looking for a
    refund from motorists.

    If the FT really wants to continue to be taken seriously, perhaps it
    could refrain from printing such ill-thought out, poorly researched
    and tabloid-esque articles in future. Don't forget - a large
    proportion of your target audience are likely to be cyclists!

    Yours sincerely

    Gregory Price

    ****************************************************************

    I wonder if I'll get a response...

  11. Paul Boyd usenet.is.worse@plusnet said:

    [email hidden] said the following on 06/11/2007 15:01:

    Quoted message said:

    I pay car tax

    Er, no you don't!

    --
    Paul Boydhttp://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

    OK, OK, I might be using the wrong term for a pedant, but I'm
    following common usage (and also, incidentally, the wording in
    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/index.htm,
    which overwhelmingly refers to vehicle/car tax).

  12. Quoted message said:
    spindrift said:

    Unlikely source:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4788f4e2-8112-11dc-9f14-0000779fd2ac.html?n...

    Proper rules for cyclists

    Quoted message said:

    cyclists are otherwise freeloaders on road infrastructure that is overwhelmingly
    paid for by motorists

    Yet another supposedly intelligent journalist who can't seem to get
    his head round the fact that someone on a bike might also and at other
    times be a car driver - or a taxi, bus or HGV driver for that matter.
    I pay car tax

    Not since 1936 you haven't

  13. spindrift said:

    "What a wonderful standard of debate there is in here. You are equal
    to
    the best on your "side" of things. "

    I'm not on any side.

    Someone on ACF put it better than I could:

    Dear Sir

    I recently happened to be referred to an essay published in the FT
    magazine as part of its essay competition. This was Richard Tomkins'
    essay 'Proper Rules for Cyclists', published on 26 October 2007.

    I am amazed that the FT has published such an ill-conceived diatribe.
    That such an error-laden diatribe was produced by the FT's Chief
    Feature Writer is even more dismaying - one might expect to read such
    a piece in the Sun or the Daily Mail, but not in the FT which is
    supposed to aspire to serious journalism.

    I would like to take issue with one or two of the assertions that
    appear in Mr Tomkins' tirade:

    "Their contempt for the law is breathtaking. They routinely ignore red
    traffic lights, menacing pedestrians crossing the road when it ought
    to be safe. They cycle the wrong way along one-way streets, notably
    outside our local primary school where they play dodge 'em with the
    parents and children every morning. They race over pedestrian
    crossings and along the pavements whenever it suits them, the more
    aggressive of them screaming abuse at anyone who gets in their way.
    Yet heaven help anyone, car driver or pedestrian, who strays even
    momentarily into a cycle lane.

    Does it matter? Yes, very much. Obviously, cyclists' flagrant
    disrespect for the law is a threat to public safety..."

    Can Mr Tomkins produce anything other than anecdotal evidence to
    support these assertions? If so, let him do so. The overwhelming
    evidence from reputable sources, such as the police, RoSPA and the
    government, would appear to show otherwise. That it is a minority of
    cyclists who flout the law - just as it is a minority of drivers who
    do so also.

    One has only to look at the statistics to see the truth about what is
    happening on our roads:

    · In 2006 there were 189,191 accidents on the UK roads resulting in
    258,404 casualties (3,172 deaths, 28,673 serious injuries and 226,559
    slight injuries)
    · There were 26,139 accidents in 2006 in which 30,982 pedestrians
    were killed or injured
    · Of the 26,139 accidents nationally only 202 involved a cyclist and
    a pedestrian (resulting in 3 deaths and 47 serious injuries).

    Cyclists are involved in fewer than 0.8% of accidents involving
    pedestrians - so that means that the poor, hard done by motorists Mr
    Tomkins refers to were responsible for more than 99.92% of accidents
    involving pedestrians.

    I would also suggest that cyclists are more likely to know the
    provisions of the Highway Code than the average motorist - perhaps Mr
    Tomkins would like to put this to the test? I'd be more than happy to
    go head-to-head with him.

    "More important, it is bad enough that a particular group of road
    users should regard themselves as above the law; it is much worse that
    the government and police should connive in it. Why should cyclists be
    allowed to commit dangerous traffic offences at will while vast
    numbers of police, traffic wardens and private sector contractors,
    assisted by spy cameras and other technology, are ready to pounce on
    car drivers for even the most trivial violations and punish them with
    heavy fines, the confiscation of their vehicles or worse?

    It is time London cracked down on cyclists' behaviour. I do not want
    to stop people cycling but I do want them to realise that the green
    halo hovering over their helmets does not put them in a special
    category of road users to whom no laws apply, any more than cycling to
    the supermarket gives them the right to shoplift with impunity."

    Given that conservative estimates from the police and the Motor
    Insurers Bureau is that there are approximately 1 million unregistered
    motor vehicles on the roads in the UK and 5% of cars on UK roads are
    uninsured, Mr Tomkins must have had difficulty in keeping a straight
    face whilst typing those paragraphs.

    "I realise the difficulty. At present, it is difficult to punish
    cyclists for breaking the law. The police stop a cyclist for jumping a
    red light, she gives them a false name and address and off she goes,
    the wrong way up a one way street. There is nothing much anyone can
    do."

    "Licensing would transform enforcement. Cyclists would be required to
    carry their licences with them at all times, providing proof of their
    identity..."

    Drivers are just as capable of providing false details as cyclists.
    Mr Tomkin may be not be aware that motorists are already required to
    carry their license with them at all time - but few do. Can Mr
    Tomkins honestly say that he has had his license with him every time
    he has been behind the wheel?

    "This is not asking much when you consider that cyclists are otherwise
    freeloaders on road infrastructure that is overwhelmingly paid for by
    motorists."

    Such ignorance of the funding of the road infrastructure is
    breathtaking for somebody connected with a financially oriented
    publication. Roads are funded through general taxation, not some
    mythical 'road tax' that motorists keep harping on about (for your
    information the 'road tax' was abolished in 1932!) This means that
    adult cyclists will be paying for the roads that they use. Adult
    cyclists are also likely to be car owners and paying Vehicle Excise
    Duty, etc. as well.

    And if you want to be fair, cyclists damage roads less than motor
    vehicles - therefore, perhaps we cyclists should be looking for a
    refund from motorists.

    If the FT really wants to continue to be taken seriously, perhaps it
    could refrain from printing such ill-thought out, poorly researched
    and tabloid-esque articles in future. Don't forget - a large
    proportion of your target audience are likely to be cyclists!

    Yours sincerely

    Gregory Price

    ****************************************************************

    I wonder if I'll get a response...

    If you do please post it!

  14. CoyoteBoy said:
    Quoted message said:

    I wonder if I'll get a response...

    If you do please post it!

    But snipped.

  15. On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:12:39 -0800 someone who may be
    "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    OK, OK, I might be using the wrong term for a pedant, but I'm
    following common usage (and also, incidentally, the wording in
    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/index.htm,
    which overwhelmingly refers to vehicle/car tax).

    Two points:

    1) "car tax" is better then "road tax", but is still incorrect. VED
    is correct.

    2) the government are the ones who told us about the weapons of mass
    destruction which could be launched within 45 minutes. You may
    remember the local newspaper headlines with words like "45 minutes
    from doom". Accuracy and competence is not something they are noted
    for and thus it is foolish to rely on anything they say. In the
    financial area, you may recall that they provided wrong advice on
    pensions for many years.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh
    I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

  16. Paul Boyd said:

    [email hidden] said the following on 06/11/2007 15:01:

    Quoted message said:

    I pay car tax


    Er, no you don't!

    "a rose by any other name .."

    VED > Vehicle Excise Duty
    Type of Vehicle > Car
    Excise duty > tax
    so (in this case) VED = Car tax
    I think.

    I do have a problem when "it" is refered to as road tax though.

  17. David Hansen said:

    On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:12:39 -0800 someone who may be
    "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    OK, OK, I might be using the wrong term for a pedant, but I'm
    following common usage (and also, incidentally, the wording in
    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/index.htm,
    which overwhelmingly refers to vehicle/car tax).

    Two points:

    1) "car tax" is better then "road tax", but is still incorrect. VED
    is correct.

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/index.htm
    Quote:
    "Calculate the cost of vehicle tax (car tax)"

    pk

  18. On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:29:14 -0000 someone who may be "p.k."
    <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Two points:

    1) "car tax" is better then "road tax", but is still incorrect. VED
    is correct.

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/index.htm
    Quote:
    "Calculate the cost of vehicle tax (car tax)"

    "Vehicle tax" is as incorrect as well.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh
    I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

  19. David Hansen said:

    On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:29:14 -0000 someone who may be "p.k."
    <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Two points:

    1) "car tax" is better then "road tax", but is still incorrect. VED
    is correct.

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/index.htm
    Quote:
    "Calculate the cost of vehicle tax (car tax)"

    "Vehicle tax" is as incorrect as well.

    But not only is it common usage official government advice uses the term -
    time to put the pedantry away!

    pk

  20. soup said:
    Paul Boyd said:

    [email hidden] said the following on 06/11/2007 15:01:

    Quoted message said:

    I pay car tax

    Er, no you don't!

    "a rose by any other name .."

    VED > Vehicle Excise Duty
    Type of Vehicle > Car
    Excise duty > tax
    so (in this case) VED = Car tax
    I think.

    I do have a problem when "it" is refered to as road tax though.

    The relevant government department doesn't.

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