Dynepo

Marty said:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28092007/58/tour-de-france-rasmussen-scandal-continues.html

Quoted message said:

So, they can't say he failed a drug test because they are not certain
the non-negative was due to this Dynepo stuff. Is that correct?
--
Marty

Yes. btw why didn't ASO anounce the names of the remaing 10 riders who
also testet positive for traces of Dynepo?

--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>

Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.

Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

Marty said:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28092007/58/tour-de-france-rasmussen-sc...
So, they can't say he failed a drug test because they are not certain
the non-negative was due to this Dynepo stuff. Is that correct?
--
Marty

Yes. btw why didn't ASO anounce the names of the remaing 10 riders who
also testet positive for traces of Dynepo?

--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>

Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.

I guess because MR's name will get them the attention they are looking
for. Sad that they do this to the riders all the time now. No proof
of anything - don't say/write anything.
--
Marty

Marty said:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28092007/58/tour-de-france-rasmussen-sc...

So, they can't say he failed a drug test because they are not certain
the non-negative was due to this Dynepo stuff. Is that correct?
--
Marty

I understood from the Equipe article that they can't declare him
positive because the specific criteria for positivity were drawn up
before the availability of dynepo and other forms of epo derived from
human sources. In other words, he gets off on what the law'n'order
folks might call a technicality.

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Marty said:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28092007/58/tour-de-france-rasmussen-sc...

Quoted message said:

So, they can't say he failed a drug test because they are not certain
the non-negative was due to this Dynepo stuff. Is that correct?
--
Marty

I understood from the Equipe article that they can't declare him
positive because the specific criteria for positivity were drawn up
before the availability of dynepo and other forms of epo derived from
human sources. In other words, he gets off on what the law'n'order
folks might call a technicality.

Quoting from the article linked to:

<An EPO test is deemed to be positive is the erythropoietin is
obtained chemically but due to the fact Dynepo is made from human
cells WADA fear that is could be mistaken with human EPO resulting in
the "non-positive" result.>

The technicality being that WADA perhaps isn't so Pound-sure of its
testing after all?

The first Landis test was arguably contaminated. Then, they covered
their asses with "positive" retro-testing.

Reference for comparison:

http://blog.kir.com/archives/000989.asp

Yes, those charged with cleaning up society lied in order to obtain
convictions and maintain coverups. Not just once or twice, either, and
that was just one crime lab.

I'd suggest that "technicalities" become important when the subject of
testing is seen as a member of a criminal population ("they all dope",
or "we knew he/she was a doper"😉.

Doping is an unsolvable problem. Grandstanding and scapegoating riders
in order to sell corporate sponsorships (what Pound is really all
about)-- no twinge of irony there? (think "Enron"😉.

--D-y

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Marty said:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28092007/58/tour-de-france-rasmussen-sc...

Quoted message said:

So, they can't say he failed a drug test because they are not certain
the non-negative was due to this Dynepo stuff. Is that correct?
--
Marty

I understood from the Equipe article that they can't declare him
positive because the specific criteria for positivity were drawn up
before the availability of dynepo and other forms of epo derived from
human sources. In other words, he gets off on what the law'n'order
folks might call a technicality.

The last I read several years ago is that any blood doping whether
explicitly forbidden or not can lead to a corrective action against
the rider. Is this no longer the case? It sure would surprise me in
this current climate in cycling if anyone gave any thought at all to
the human rights of any individual(s).

Quoted message said:

Yes, those charged with cleaning up society lied in order to obtain
convictions and maintain coverups. Not just once or twice, either, and
that was just one crime lab.

I'd suggest that "technicalities" become important when the subject of
testing is seen as a member of a criminal population ("they all dope",
or "we knew he/she was a doper"😉.

Doping is an unsolvable problem. Grandstanding and scapegoating riders
in order to sell corporate sponsorships (what Pound is really all
about)-- no twinge of irony there? (think "Enron"😉.

--D-y

I thought I was the only one that noticed.

Quoted message said:

Marty said:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28092007/58/tour-de-france-rasmussen-sc...

Quoted message said:

So, they can't say he failed a drug test because they are not certain
the non-negative was due to this Dynepo stuff. Is that correct?
--
Marty

I understood from the Equipe article that they can't declare him
positive because the specific criteria for positivity were drawn up
before the availability of dynepo and other forms of epo derived from
human sources. In other words, he gets off on what the law'n'order
folks might call a technicality.

And the article also says that the CB lab doesn't have a test for
Dynepo, but
somehow he tested positive for it.... just more slander by the CB
lab.
Throw some mud on the wall and see if it sticks.

Marty said:

Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

Marty said:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28092007/58/tour-de-france-rasmussen-sc...
So, they can't say he failed a drug test because they are not certain
the non-negative was due to this Dynepo stuff. Is that correct?
--
Marty

Yes. btw why didn't ASO anounce the names of the remaing 10 riders who
also testet positive for traces of Dynepo?

--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>

Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.

Quoted message said:

I guess because MR's name will get them the attention they are looking
for. Sad that they do this to the riders all the time now. No proof
of anything - don't say/write anything.

So far UCI has denied that Rasmussen has tested positive for Dynepo. The
story looks like ASO is trying the recapture the media attantion from UCI who
for the past 2 weeks has been the toughest doping-chaser-in-the-media
yet seen - A title ASO thought they won this summer.

Secondly ASO needs to justity their decissions in general after all their
races was degraded from Pro tour to european tour. (below the
contineltal tour). Not exactly what ASO hoped for and a major loss of
status for their races Paris-Nice, PRP, LBL and Gent-Wevelgem.

--
mvh. Morten Reippuert Knudsen

Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

So far UCI has denied that Rasmussen has tested positive for Dynepo. The
story looks like ASO is trying the recapture the media attantion from UCI who
for the past 2 weeks has been the toughest doping-chaser-in-the-media
yet seen - A title ASO thought they won this summer.

This is beginning to sound like an Axis of Evil I'm eviler than you
contest.

Quoted message said:

Secondly ASO needs to justity their decissions in general after all their
races was degraded from Pro tour to european tour. (below the
contineltal tour). Not exactly what ASO hoped for and a major loss of
status for their races Paris-Nice, PRP, LBL and Gent-Wevelgem.

Does anyone really care about the pro tour anymore ? Many of the
teams that were applying for pro tour status last year (eg
Barloworld) don't seem quite so keen now.

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:15:47 +0200, Donald Munro <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

So far UCI has denied that Rasmussen has tested positive for Dynepo. The
story looks like ASO is trying the recapture the media attantion from UCI who
for the past 2 weeks has been the toughest doping-chaser-in-the-media
yet seen - A title ASO thought they won this summer.

This is beginning to sound like an Axis of Evil I'm eviler than you
contest.

Quoted message said:

Secondly ASO needs to justity their decissions in general after all their
races was degraded from Pro tour to european tour. (below the
contineltal tour). Not exactly what ASO hoped for and a major loss of
status for their races Paris-Nice, PRP, LBL and Gent-Wevelgem.

Does anyone really care about the pro tour anymore ? Many of the
teams that were applying for pro tour status last year (eg
Barloworld) don't seem quite so keen now.

The messier this gets the more I am inclined to take Discovery at their word,
that they could not in good faith negotiate with a sponsor.

Guys getting AAF for a test that nobody knew existed. Major races divorced from
the Pro-Tour so that there can be no promises of getting a team invited.
Classics relegated to lesser status and operating on the fringes of sanction by
UCI. Which itself amounts to what, a rule book and what, exactly? Rollerblade
extreme sports?

"Sure, give us $15Meg and we'll make you look good" doesn't exactly sound
credible in that world.

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Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

So far UCI has denied that Rasmussen has tested positive for Dynepo. The
story looks like ASO is trying the recapture the media attantion from UCI
who
for the past 2 weeks has been the toughest doping-chaser-in-the-media
yet seen - A title ASO thought they won this summer.

This is beginning to sound like an Axis of Evil I'm eviler than you
contest.

Quoted message said:

Secondly ASO needs to justity their decissions in general after all their
races was degraded from Pro tour to european tour. (below the
contineltal tour). Not exactly what ASO hoped for and a major loss of
status for their races Paris-Nice, PRP, LBL and Gent-Wevelgem.

Does anyone really care about the pro tour anymore ? Many of the
teams that were applying for pro tour status last year (eg
Barloworld) don't seem quite so keen now.

Maybe they saw how fair the UCI was to Unibet.

Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

Secondly ASO needs to justity their decissions in general after all their
races was degraded from Pro tour to european tour. (below the
contineltal tour). Not exactly what ASO hoped for and a major loss of
status for their races Paris-Nice, PRP, LBL and Gent-Wevelgem.

Loss of status? Who the heck cares about the Pro Tour and its mostly
second class races if ASO and the other Tours keep their races to
themselves? Besides, ASO et all can buy the remaining good races and
then where would the UCI be?

Sorry, dinosaurs like Pat, Hein and the UCI in general should be
extinct.

UCI: Uniform and Consistent Incompetance

Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

So far UCI has denied that Rasmussen has tested positive for Dynepo. The
story looks like ASO is trying the recapture the media attantion from UCI who
for the past 2 weeks has been the toughest doping-chaser-in-the-media
yet seen - A title ASO thought they won this summer.

Secondly ASO needs to justity their decissions in general after all their
races was degraded from Pro tour to european tour. (below the
contineltal tour). Not exactly what ASO hoped for and a major loss of
status for their races Paris-Nice, PRP, LBL and Gent-Wevelgem.

If Paris-Roubaix and LBL are out of the ProTour, it's
not a loss of status for them, it's a loss of status
for the ProTour.

It sounds like what they are announcing or leaking is a
non-positive positive test, that is, they found it but
the test protocol (Reading X above Y%, etc) hasn't been
made official by WADA yet, so it's not a sanctionable
positive. It's fighting dirty, but I'm not overflowing
with sympathy for riders who thought they were a full
step ahead of the dope cops but were only a half step
ahead. I'm not even sure Dynepo is available for
legitimate pharmaceutical sales yet.

Ben

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Quoted message said:

Does anyone really care about the pro tour anymore ? Many of the
teams that were applying for pro tour status last year (eg
Barloworld) don't seem quite so keen now.

Maybe they saw how fair the UCI was to Unibet.

The ASO and other GT organizers were the ones keeping Unibet from racing - UCI
were unable to change that.

--
tanx,
Howard

Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.

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I'm not even sure Dynepo is available for
legitimate pharmaceutical sales yet.

Ben

Date of issue of Marketing Authorisation valid throughout the European Union
18 March 2002

--
Carl

On Sep 30, 10:42 pm, "Cycle Carl" <[email hidden]>

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I'm not even sure Dynepo is available for
legitimate pharmaceutical sales yet.

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Ben

Date of issue of Marketing Authorisation valid throughout the European Union
18 March 2002

Interesting, but:

http://www.shire.com/shire/NewsAndMedia/PressReleases/showtktshirepress.jsp?ref=36&tn=&m1=&m2=
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynepo
http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/shire/Products/index.jsp?tn=4

(Shire is the company that makes or sells Dynepo.)
My reading of this is that the EU approved it, medically,
in 2002. But it's been tied up in patent litigation
vs. Amgen and was not available, and judging from the
last of the pages, still isn't available - they don't
even have a picture of the bottle up.

Damn, I need that picture of the bottle! Otherwise,
how aam I going to know if I'm getting the genuine
[censored] That Will Kill Them?

Ben

Quoted message said:

Damn, I need that picture of the bottle! Otherwise,
how aam I going to know if I'm getting the genuine
[censored] That Will Kill Them?

Dumbass,
Saline solution packaged in a Hemassist vial works
just as well.

<[email hidden]> wrote:
(Please excuse sloppy editing by D-y)

(someone raised Point A):

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm not even sure Dynepo is available for
legitimate pharmaceutical sales yet.

(Someone replied):

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Date of issue of Marketing Authorisation valid throughout the European Union
18 March 2002

(Further along the trail):

Quoted message said:

Interesting, but:

http://www.shire.com/shire/NewsAndMedia/PressReleases/showtktshirepre...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynepohttp://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/shire/Products/index.jsp?tn=4

(Shire is the company that makes or sells Dynepo.)
My reading of this is that the EU approved it, medically,
in 2002. But it's been tied up in patent litigation
vs. Amgen and was not available, and judging from the
last of the pages, still isn't available - they don't
even have a picture of the bottle up.

Whoops: My reading of this is that the boys and girls in the dope lab
heard about a whiz-bang new doping substance (tipped off by Pound's
agents?), and figured in convicting a rider (in the press) of using
it, even though Dynepo isn't actually available for consumption.

(the boys and girls in the lab, comparing notes):

"Oh, look, what's that? Human, but sure enough, that must be that
Dynepo they told us about! That's what he was on! Hurry! Call the
newspapers!"

Or Rasmussen sneaked into the field trials?
(Held in Mexico <g>?) --D-y

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<[email hidden]> wrote:
(Please excuse sloppy editing by D-y)

(someone raised Point A):

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I'm not even sure Dynepo is available for
> legitimate pharmaceutical sales yet.

(Someone replied):

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Date of issue of Marketing Authorisation valid throughout the European
Union
18 March 2002

(Further along the trail):

Quoted message said:

Interesting, but:

http://www.shire.com/shire/NewsAndMedia/PressReleases/showtktshirepre...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynepohttp://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/shire/Products/index.jsp?tn=4

(Shire is the company that makes or sells Dynepo.)
My reading of this is that the EU approved it, medically,
in 2002. But it's been tied up in patent litigation
vs. Amgen and was not available, and judging from the
last of the pages, still isn't available - they don't
even have a picture of the bottle up.

Whoops: My reading of this is that the boys and girls in the dope lab
heard about a whiz-bang new doping substance (tipped off by Pound's
agents?), and figured in convicting a rider (in the press) of using
it, even though Dynepo isn't actually available for consumption.

DynEpo isn't that new. Four or five years ago I heard already that some
riders were using DynEpo, although it was extremely expensive and only
available on the black market. I must have mentioned it in rbr. So it may be
assumed that boys and girls in the dope lab heard about it before. Or am I
overrating their competence?

Benjo