Dynepo

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Michael Press said:

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> Maybe they saw how fair the UCI was to Unibet.

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The ASO and other GT organizers were the ones keeping Unibet from
racing - UCI
were unable to change that.

But they did not _try_. Unibet handed over a bunch of money
and got nothing for it. Worse than unfair, UCI defrauded Unibet.

I'm shocked, shocked to hear! A bookie took a risk,
gave people money, and got nothing back.

Bookies give you an honest proposition: they tell you what the terms
are, what you're paying for (a chance on a payout, if you're a good
guesser), and what the returns are (posted odds or nothing).

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Unibet (the name) still got some newspaper coverage.
Minor sponsors and the riders did get screwed.

Unibet didn't get promised a betting slip, they got promised entry into
the ProTour. That's what all that money they paid the UCI to be
considered a ProTour team (as opposed to a Continental team, as befell
the "unlucky" ones).

And then it turned out, the UCI wasn't able to keep that promise, and
didn't have the guts (or more likely, the ability) to enforce their
promise by leaning on the promoters.

In short, the UCI sold the ProTour teams genuine Brooklyn Bridges, and
then the City of New York showed up to point out who had built that
bridge.

(PS: City of New York = ASO; Brooklyn Bridge = Paris-Roubaix)

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

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Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

Yes. btw why didn't ASO anounce the names of the remaing 10 riders who
also testet positive for traces of Dynepo?

It was not cyclists. It was folks in athletics. ITF or whatever they
are called, are smart enough to shut up untill the evidence is in.

Indeed, indeed. The UCI, ASO and WADA have to compose some of the stupidest
people on the earth.

Ryan Cousineau said:

Marian said:

On Oct 2, 11:45 am, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]> wrote:

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In article <[email hidden]>,
Howard Kveck <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> In article <[email hidden]>,
> Donald Munro <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > Benjo Maso wrote:
> > > I must have mentioned it in rbr. So it may be assumed that boys and
> > > girls in the dope lab heard about it before. Or am I overrating their
> > > competence?

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> > The dope labs are using rbr for data mining ? I think its about time we
> > started charging for our services, if only to ensure the continued
> > existence of LIVEDRUNK (and delivery of the fabled LIVEDRUNK jerseys).

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> This means you, Ryan.

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It's true. I've abandoned my responsibility to this dear cause.

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The truth? My enthusiasm waned once my racing club arranged to do a wool
jersey order, and then I pretty much got lazy.

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With the combination of demotivation, lack of time, and just the fact
that I'm pretty lazy and have more projects than a lazy man ought to,
I'm leaving the jersey project.

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My main reason for saying so publicly is in the futile hope that someone
else is interested enough to take up the organization of the project.

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If so, here's the company I was corresponding with:

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http://www.portlandcyclewear.com/woolcyclingjersey.html

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If you want an alternative to that, Louis Garneau now has a similar-spec
wool jersey available, and I can put you in touch with a rep. Their
minimum order isn't very high.

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The logo should simply consist of an all-caps "LIVEDRUNK" rendered in a
sans-serif font, ideally Compugraphic's CG Gothic No. 2 for the LIVE and
CG Gothic No. 3 for the DRUNK.

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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070612200834AADg8jK

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Here's an alternative, Geometr415 Lt BT:

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http://forums.clantemplates.com/showthread.php?t=65923

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So that's that, and I apologize to anyone who was still waiting for me
to stop sucking. I should have either taken care of this project or
given up sooner.

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I could do something about it. Champ-Sys is making the jerseys for
the Tour of Hainan and has made a bunch of jerseys for the local bike
club and I'll very likely be seeing the Champ-Sys guy at this year's
Tour.

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The RAGBRAI pictures of Lance had him wearing a LiveSTRONG jersey so I
think a LiveDRUNK jersey should be patterned on that ... only more of
a [censored] colored yellow. Also think that the lettering should in
addition to using the correct font be blurred just a little bit.

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And what about adding some subliminal sublimated yellow on yellow beer
bottles and cigarettes to the pattern?

A caution: as always discussed previously, this was definitely going
to be a wool jersey (that may or may not be a problem for Champ-Sys;
Garneau doesn't even list a wool jersey in their catalog yet, but
they're doing them already), and doing a synthetic jersey may limit
the appeal (wool being so much more cyclocross-and-alcohol in its
aesthetic).- Hide quoted text -

In that case a baggy t-shirt with extra material sewn onto the back to
make pockets is more LiveDrunk in it's appeal.

(and yes, I have one ... )

-M

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ewoud Dronkert said:

Howard Kveck said:

Michael Press said:

But [Unibet] did not _try_.

I can't argue with that.

Pardon? They started several lawsuits for gaining access to races.

Oh, I'd forgotten. I guess one could argue with that, then.

--
tanx,
Howard

Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Marian said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

Marian said:

On Oct 2, 11:45 am, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

> In article <[email hidden]>,
> Howard Kveck <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> > Donald Munro <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

> > > Benjo Maso wrote:
> > > > I must have mentioned it in rbr. So it may be assumed that boys
> > > > and
> > > > girls in the dope lab heard about it before. Or am I overrating
> > > > their
> > > > competence?

Quoted message said:

> > > The dope labs are using rbr for data mining ? I think its about
> > > time we
> > > started charging for our services, if only to ensure the continued
> > > existence of LIVEDRUNK (and delivery of the fabled LIVEDRUNK
> > > jerseys).

Quoted message said:

> > This means you, Ryan.

Quoted message said:

> It's true. I've abandoned my responsibility to this dear cause.

Quoted message said:

> The truth? My enthusiasm waned once my racing club arranged to do a
> wool
> jersey order, and then I pretty much got lazy.

Quoted message said:

> With the combination of demotivation, lack of time, and just the fact
> that I'm pretty lazy and have more projects than a lazy man ought to,
> I'm leaving the jersey project.

Quoted message said:

> My main reason for saying so publicly is in the futile hope that
> someone
> else is interested enough to take up the organization of the project.

Quoted message said:

> If so, here's the company I was corresponding with:

Quoted message said:

>http://www.portlandcyclewear.com/woolcyclingjersey.html

Quoted message said:

> If you want an alternative to that, Louis Garneau now has a
> similar-spec
> wool jersey available, and I can put you in touch with a rep. Their
> minimum order isn't very high.

Quoted message said:

> The logo should simply consist of an all-caps "LIVEDRUNK" rendered in a
> sans-serif font, ideally Compugraphic's CG Gothic No. 2 for the LIVE
> and
> CG Gothic No. 3 for the DRUNK.

Quoted message said:

>http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070612200834AADg8jK

Quoted message said:

> Here's an alternative, Geometr415 Lt BT:

Quoted message said:

>http://forums.clantemplates.com/showthread.php?t=65923

Quoted message said:

> So that's that, and I apologize to anyone who was still waiting for me
> to stop sucking. I should have either taken care of this project or
> given up sooner.

Quoted message said:

I could do something about it. Champ-Sys is making the jerseys for
the Tour of Hainan and has made a bunch of jerseys for the local bike
club and I'll very likely be seeing the Champ-Sys guy at this year's
Tour.

Quoted message said:

The RAGBRAI pictures of Lance had him wearing a LiveSTRONG jersey so I
think a LiveDRUNK jersey should be patterned on that ... only more of
a [censored] colored yellow. Also think that the lettering should in
addition to using the correct font be blurred just a little bit.

Quoted message said:

And what about adding some subliminal sublimated yellow on yellow beer
bottles and cigarettes to the pattern?

A caution: as always discussed previously, this was definitely going
to be a wool jersey (that may or may not be a problem for Champ-Sys;
Garneau doesn't even list a wool jersey in their catalog yet, but
they're doing them already), and doing a synthetic jersey may limit
the appeal (wool being so much more cyclocross-and-alcohol in its
aesthetic).- Hide quoted text -

In that case a baggy t-shirt with extra material sewn onto the back to
make pockets is more LiveDrunk in it's appeal.

There's a fine line between LIVEDRUNK (please respect the
capitalization; intercaps are the devil) and DUI Rider.

Quoted message said:

(and yes, I have one ... )

TMI!

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Marian said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

On Oct 3, 2:13 am, Marian <[email hidden]> wrote:

> On Oct 2, 11:45 am, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]> wrote:

> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> > Howard Kveck <[email hidden]> wrote:

> > > In article <[email hidden]>,
> > > Donald Munro <[email hidden]> wrote:

> > > > Benjo Maso wrote:
> > > > > I must have mentioned it in rbr. So it may be assumed that boys
> > > > > and
> > > > > girls in the dope lab heard about it before. Or am I overrating
> > > > > their
> > > > > competence?

> > > > The dope labs are using rbr for data mining ? I think its about
> > > > time we
> > > > started charging for our services, if only to ensure the continued
> > > > existence of LIVEDRUNK (and delivery of the fabled LIVEDRUNK
> > > > jerseys).

> > > This means you, Ryan.

> > It's true. I've abandoned my responsibility to this dear cause.

> > The truth? My enthusiasm waned once my racing club arranged to do a
> > wool
> > jersey order, and then I pretty much got lazy.

> > With the combination of demotivation, lack of time, and just the fact
> > that I'm pretty lazy and have more projects than a lazy man ought to,
> > I'm leaving the jersey project.

> > My main reason for saying so publicly is in the futile hope that
> > someone
> > else is interested enough to take up the organization of the project.

> > If so, here's the company I was corresponding with:

> >http://www.portlandcyclewear.com/woolcyclingjersey.html

> > If you want an alternative to that, Louis Garneau now has a
> > similar-spec
> > wool jersey available, and I can put you in touch with a rep. Their
> > minimum order isn't very high.

> > The logo should simply consist of an all-caps "LIVEDRUNK" rendered in a
> > sans-serif font, ideally Compugraphic's CG Gothic No. 2 for the LIVE
> > and
> > CG Gothic No. 3 for the DRUNK.

> >http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070612200834AADg8jK

> > Here's an alternative, Geometr415 Lt BT:

> >http://forums.clantemplates.com/showthread.php?t=65923

> > So that's that, and I apologize to anyone who was still waiting for me
> > to stop sucking. I should have either taken care of this project or
> > given up sooner.

> I could do something about it. Champ-Sys is making the jerseys for
> the Tour of Hainan and has made a bunch of jerseys for the local bike
> club and I'll very likely be seeing the Champ-Sys guy at this year's
> Tour.

> The RAGBRAI pictures of Lance had him wearing a LiveSTRONG jersey so I
> think a LiveDRUNK jersey should be patterned on that ... only more of
> a [censored] colored yellow. Also think that the lettering should in
> addition to using the correct font be blurred just a little bit.

> And what about adding some subliminal sublimated yellow on yellow beer
> bottles and cigarettes to the pattern?

A caution: as always discussed previously, this was definitely going
to be a wool jersey (that may or may not be a problem for Champ-Sys;
Garneau doesn't even list a wool jersey in their catalog yet, but
they're doing them already), and doing a synthetic jersey may limit
the appeal (wool being so much more cyclocross-and-alcohol in its
aesthetic).- Hide quoted text -

In that case a baggy t-shirt with extra material sewn onto the back to
make pockets is more LiveDrunk in it's appeal.

There's a fine line between LIVEDRUNK (please respect the
capitalization; intercaps are the devil) and DUI Rider.

It is a bold and unmistakable line - did your license get suspended before or
after you started bar hopping on a bike. If you got pulled for riding while
intoxicated you're not only LIVEDRUNK you get oakleaf clusters on your jersey.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(and yes, I have one ... )

TMI!

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Kyle Legate <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Ryan Cousineau wrote:

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> It's true. I've abandoned my responsibility to this dear cause.

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Can I get my money back?

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Every penny.

There goes our profit sharing.

According to Ben "Big Dog" Weimaraner, profits are to be had in the
Canuckian to Yankee-Doodling currency exhange. Ryan could be a real
George Soros if he manages to sober up.

Yankee Doodle went to town,
A-Riding on a pony;
He stuck a feather in his hat,
And called it macaroni.

Yankee Doodle, keep it up,
Yankee Doodle dandy;
Mind the music and the step,
And with the girls be handy!

Brother Ephraim sold his Cow
And bought him a Commission;
And then he went to Canada
To fight for the Nation;

But when Ephraim he came home
He proved an arrant Coward,
He wouldn't fight the Frenchmen there
For fear of being devour'd.

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

Ryan could be a real George Soros if he manages to sober up.

Is the converse true if George Soros gets LIVEDRUNK ?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In that case a baggy t-shirt with extra material sewn onto the back to
make pockets is more LiveDrunk in it's appeal.

There's a fine line between LIVEDRUNK (please respect the
capitalization; intercaps are the devil) and DUI Rider.

Quoted message said:

(and yes, I have one ... )

TMI!

I had a long sleeved coolmax t-shirt that I stole from my boyfriend.
The sleeves were baggy and to be a proper bike shirt it needed pockets
in the back. It makes a really good cool weather jersey.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In that case a baggy t-shirt with extra material sewn onto the back to
make pockets is more LiveDrunk in it's appeal.

Quoted message said:

There's a fine line between LIVEDRUNK (please respect the
capitalization; intercaps are the devil) and DUI Rider.

It is a bold and unmistakable line - did your license get suspended before or
after you started bar hopping on a bike. If you got pulled for riding while
intoxicated you're not only LIVEDRUNK you get oakleaf clusters on your jersey.

I uh... I never had a drivers' license.

But I've gotten so drunk that I was sent home from the bar in a taxi
with my bicycle in the trunk of the car.

-M

In article <[email hidden]>,

Marian said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> In that case a baggy t-shirt with extra material sewn onto the back to
> make pockets is more LiveDrunk in it's appeal.

Quoted message said:

There's a fine line between LIVEDRUNK (please respect the
capitalization; intercaps are the devil) and DUI Rider.

It is a bold and unmistakable line - did your license get suspended before
or
after you started bar hopping on a bike. If you got pulled for riding while
intoxicated you're not only LIVEDRUNK you get oakleaf clusters on your
jersey.

I uh... I never had a drivers' license.

But I've gotten so drunk that I was sent home from the bar in a taxi
with my bicycle in the trunk of the car.

-M

LIVEDRUNK wristband award.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

In article <[email hidden]>,

Marian said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In that case a baggy t-shirt with extra material sewn onto the back to
make pockets is more LiveDrunk in it's appeal.

There's a fine line between LIVEDRUNK (please respect the
capitalization; intercaps are the devil) and DUI Rider.

Quoted message said:

(and yes, I have one ... )

TMI!

I had a long sleeved coolmax t-shirt that I stole from my boyfriend.
The sleeves were baggy and to be a proper bike shirt it needed pockets
in the back. It makes a really good cool weather jersey.

This sounds very much like a BMX jersey. LIVEDRUNK is BMX-curious, but
still pretty sure it's dirty.

So, you know, go for it,

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos