Mountain

Graham Seed said:

Wot..no thread? Is this a repeat?

I was waiting for someone else to post something! I was about to post one
myself and then I noticed yours.

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Selling the Cuillins was old news

How much do they want for them?

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but I can't say I've seen this prog before.

It's new.

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Suilven looked fabulous in snow

Yeah. How hard is it to get up that?

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but it was a shame they chose Bruach na Frithe.

Eh?

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If they're
going to drag Griff up Napes Needle next week they could have taken
him up the Inn Pin or something this time round.

I must admit that I find it myself feeling mildy jealous when some southern
softie who's proud to boast that he's never been up a mountain in his life
gets to climb those sorts of hills on his "first go".

I was also mildy irritated by some of the juvenile jokey comments that he
made about the mountains. I guess that's par for the course amongst non-hill
walkers though, isn't it? Why do people have to fake such astonishment that
people do this sort of thing? Didn't I hear that walking was the most
popular recreation in Britain or something? I'm sure a lot of this must be
feigned ignorance just for the sake of the TV cameras.

And what about that woman in the shop who's never been up a mountain, and
her list of things that she doesn't mind missing, like sweat, cold, terror
and exhaustion? Griff admitted that he'd experienced most of them except for
the terror, but he failed to point out the fantastic views and feeling of
exhilaration that he'd got.

Strange how people who've never done this sort of thing like to decide what
they don't like about it as a way of justifying not doing it, yet having
never done it they don't really know what's actually involved. They just
don't want to like it, so they make up their excuses in advance. And if they
were forced to do it, of course they wouldn't like it, since they've already
made their mind up. Self-fulfilling prophecy and all that.

"Man is not a rational being, but a rationalising being."

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk/
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk/weblog/

Graham Seed said:

Wot..no thread?

I don't know about anyone else, but I always find difficulty in hearing
the last few words in Gryff Rees Jones's sentences - he sort of tails
them off in a mumble. Mind you, I do have tinnitus!

Jim Ford

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Quoted message said:

Wot..no thread? Is this a repeat? Selling the Cuillins was old news but I
can't say I've seen this prog before. Suilven looked fabulous in snow
but it
was a shame they chose Bruach na Frithe. If they're going to drag Griff up
Napes Needle next week they could have taken him up the Inn Pin or
something
this time round.

I watched it, then I watched the Wainwright program on BBC 4, then I
went to bed.

What I want to know is where did all that virgin snow come from and for
that matter the float plane.

Napes Needle is harder isn't it?

Griff was wrong about how highly prized Ben Hope is though. The Inn Pin
occupies that position.

Bruach na Frithe was chosen as it is close to the Slig and is the
easiest of the Munros on the Main Ridge to get up.

--
Roger Chapman
Nearest Marilyn still to be visited - Great Orme.
89 miles as the crow flies,
considerably more as the walker drives.

Paul Saunders said:

Graham Seed said:

Wot..no thread? Is this a repeat?

I was waiting for someone else to post something! I was about to post one
myself and then I noticed yours.

Quoted message said:

Selling the Cuillins was old news

How much do they want for them?

Quoted message said:

but I can't say I've seen this prog before.

It's new.

Quoted message said:

Suilven looked fabulous in snow

Yeah. How hard is it to get up that?

Quoted message said:

but it was a shame they chose Bruach na Frithe.

Eh?

Quoted message said:

If they're
going to drag Griff up Napes Needle next week they could have taken
him up the Inn Pin or something this time round.

I must admit that I find it myself feeling mildy jealous when some southern
softie who's proud to boast that he's never been up a mountain in his life
gets to climb those sorts of hills on his "first go".

I was also mildy irritated by some of the juvenile jokey comments that he
made about the mountains. I guess that's par for the course amongst non-hill
walkers though, isn't it? Why do people have to fake such astonishment that
people do this sort of thing? Didn't I hear that walking was the most
popular recreation in Britain or something? I'm sure a lot of this must be
feigned ignorance just for the sake of the TV cameras.

And what about that woman in the shop who's never been up a mountain, and
her list of things that she doesn't mind missing, like sweat, cold, terror
and exhaustion? Griff admitted that he'd experienced most of them except for
the terror, but he failed to point out the fantastic views and feeling of
exhilaration that he'd got.

Strange how people who've never done this sort of thing like to decide what
they don't like about it as a way of justifying not doing it, yet having
never done it they don't really know what's actually involved. They just
don't want to like it, so they make up their excuses in advance. And if they
were forced to do it, of course they wouldn't like it, since they've already
made their mind up. Self-fulfilling prophecy and all that.

"Man is not a rational being, but a rationalising being."

Paul
--http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk/http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk/weblog/

It was not a program for specialists but for a general insight into
mountains (not mountaineering or hillwalking), on that level I believe
that it was a success.

David

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Mind you, I do have tinnitus!

My sympathies, so do I.

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Paul Saunders said:

How much do they want for them?

Originally it was £20M but they haven't been moving...

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Suilven looked fabulous in snow

Yeah. How hard is it to get up that?

There's a gully in the middle. Fairly steep but not technically hard at
all. I've not gone all the way up, abandoned my attempt[1] a fair chunk
of the way up, but as long as you're basically fit and can do steep it
looks straightforward

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but it was a shame they chose Bruach na Frithe.

Eh?

Allegedly the easiest Cuillin Munro. One of the 2 (with Am Basteir) I
haven't done yet, so no comment on ease, but all things are relative and
it's still more dramatic than most on the mainland.

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I must admit that I find it myself feeling mildy jealous when some southern
softie who's proud to boast that he's never been up a mountain in his life
gets to climb those sorts of hills on his "first go".

It wasn't the "sort of hill", it was the conditions he had on Suilven.
[censored]! ;-/

I ended up a bit underwhelmed, to be honest. The sidebars on local
people/history etc. were interesting but a bit random and didn't go
anywhere much, and there wasn't much insight into mountains themselves
or why folk walk around them.

Hey ho. One has to remember that most TV like this is catering to
people who don't know that much about the subject, I suppose.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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but it was a shame they chose Bruach na Frithe.

Eh?

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Allegedly the easiest Cuillin Munro. One of the 2 (with Am Basteir) I
haven't done yet, so no comment on ease, but all things are relative and
it's still more dramatic than most on the mainland.

It is a doddle. It is one of the few intermediate Munros that I have
done from the bottom but I still managed to descend it before I climbed
it IYSWIM.

In (IIRC) 1970 3 of us tried the Main Ridge for the first time and had
to abort on Bruach na Frithe due to our brave leader (who had left the
rest of us far behind for much of the centre section) grinding to a halt
with a serious knee problem. I rushed (this is a comparative term) off
down to the pub to make sure the transport didn't leave without us while
the other 2 descended very slowly.

I don't actually recall which way I went but even tired I had no
problems. Next year 2 of us were back (I think our erstwhile brave
leader was off to the Alps for a dose of the real thing). We decided for
cautions sake to have a recce of the bit of the ridge we hadn't done
before and went up Bruach na Frithe in rain and clag to have a look at
the approach to the Basteir Tooth. In that weather it might have been
any British Mountain range and we didn't encounter anything that would
have been out of place on a walk before the summit.

The approach to The Tooth from the col beyond was another matter
however. A descending traverse should have taken us down and out to
boulder ledge (in those days the boulder was still there) but the rock
at that point was basalt and as slippery as soap in the wet so we didn't
get close enough to the ledge to see where Naismiths route went. I am
now convinced that the route we eventually used off Boulder Ledge in
subsequent successful traverse (straight up the crack above the boulder)
was not Naismiths Route and somewhat harder than Diff.

--
Roger Chapman
Nearest Marilyn still to be visited - Great Orme.
89 miles as the crow flies,
considerably more as the walker drives.

I set the video for the Wainwright program at 1.20am but ended up with
half an hour of static due to a channel setting [censored]!.
It was Hellvellyn via Striding Edge, I believe - was it worth
watching?

It's the first I'd heard about a new series - I guess this late
program must have been a repeat of something shown earlier in the week
- what day is it on?

Still fronted by that foxy Julia Bradbury?

Graham Seed said:

Wot..no thread? Is this a repeat? Selling the Cuillins was old news but I
can't say I've seen this prog before. Suilven looked fabulous in snow but it
was a shame they chose Bruach na Frithe. If they're going to drag Griff up
Napes Needle next week they could have taken him up the Inn Pin or something
this time round.

I thought it was an excellent programme as an introduction for people
that don't take part in mountain/hill walking but are interested in the
concept. The explanation of why Munros are Munros and the people of the
area that he spoke to were nice additional information pieces. The
aerial shots of the mountains were fantastic and although I'm not a
great fan of GRJ he carried the subject well with a nice combination of
willing but nervous novice and comedian.

For those that missed it, it can be downloaded form here:

http://thebox.bz/details.php?id=4378

You may need to sign up and you'll need a torrent client (I use Azureus).

'thebox' is a great resource!

Jim Ford

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Mind you, I do have tinnitus!

My sympathies, so do I.

I can't hear grasshoppers any more because the tinnitus masks their
sound range. Gold and Firecrests song are now above my hearing range.
The odd thing is that I can pick out lower sounds that others miss or
don't notice.

Jim Ford

Graham Seed said:

Wot..no thread? Is this a repeat?

No it's new as are the Wainwright Walks on BBC4 after it. I must say i
prefer Julia to Griff :-)
--
Phil Cook, last hill: Angletarn Pikes via Beda Fell.
http://www.p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk/May07/martin9.htm

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I set the video for the Wainwright program at 1.20am but ended up with
half an hour of static due to a channel setting [censored]!.
It was Hellvellyn via Striding Edge, I believe - was it worth
watching?

I'll let you know later this afternoon. My machine will have recorded
it - hopefully!

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It's the first I'd heard about a new series - I guess this late
program must have been a repeat of something shown earlier in the week
- what day is it on?

Yesterday. Same day a bit earlier after Mountain. It's also on again
tomorrow 1 Aug at 7.30 and 11.20 pm and Wednesday 2 Aug at 10.00 pm.

The next in the series is first shown on 5 Aug at 10.00 pm

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Still fronted by that foxy Julia Bradbury?

<Churchill>
Oh yesssss!
--
Phil Cook, last hill: Angletarn Pikes via Beda Fell.
http://www.p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk/May07/martin9.htm

Ysgrifennodd "Graham Seed" <[email hidden]> mewn neges
newyddion:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Wot..no thread? Is this a repeat? Selling the Cuillins was old news but I
can't say I've seen this prog before. Suilven looked fabulous in snow but
it was a shame they chose Bruach na Frithe. If they're going to drag Griff
up Napes Needle next week they could have taken him up the Inn Pin or
something this time round.

Graham

It was OK as far as this sort of thing goes. Much, much better than the [censored]
that's usually on TV - but that doesn't really mean much.

I only watched it as i was half asleep on the sofa and too lazy to get up,
but i'm glad i did. Will have to find them on torrent or get my invite to
BBC on demand service as i dont tend to watch things by timetable. OTOH, i'm
getting my sunday nights back now i'm no longer teaching, so there's a
chance i might catch them live. And that Heroes program managed to keep me
viewing for 2 episodes, but while i'm intrigued, no doubt they will stretch
the plot out so thin (think Lost, i watched a couple then gave up when i
realised that there was possibly 300 episodes, i've more important things to
do) as to render it unwatchable.

As said below (or above, i never know where these posts end up), it was a
general program - not a specialist one. In this it was OK, but i reckon
they missed out totally on what a bothy can be like!

I'd like to know how long they waited for that snow, jammy gits!

What next? Snowdon without crowds? OK, i can sort that one out too, but i'm
not sharing ;-D

I'm surprised nobody's commented on his 'gear' yet? Or on McNeish's gear, or
am i on the wrong forum (yes, i know it's usenet, but it's less clumsy!) for
that? I couldn't see any labels, if i dare admit i was looking....

I reckon that the mountain shots would have looked great on a HD TV though?

T Dave R

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Graham Seed said:

Wot..no thread? Is this a repeat? Selling the Cuillins was old news but I
can't say I've seen this prog before. Suilven looked fabulous in snow but
it was a shame they chose Bruach na Frithe. If they're going to drag
Griff up Napes Needle next week they could have taken him up the Inn Pin
or something this time round.

I thought it was an excellent programme as an introduction for people that
don't take part in mountain/hill walking but are interested in the
concept. The explanation of why Munros are Munros and the people of the
area that he spoke to were nice additional information pieces.

The title of the program should have been 'Mountain and surrounding area'.
IMHO there was to much local talks, I prefer more pictures of mountains.

--
"Beannachd leibh"

Theo
www.theosphotos.fotopic.net

T Dave R said:

I'm surprised nobody's commented on his 'gear' yet? Or on McNeish's gear, or
am i on the wrong forum (yes, i know it's usenet, but it's less clumsy!) for
that? I couldn't see any labels, if i dare admit i was looking....

I wasn't particularly, but I could see Griff did a lot of his shopping
with Berghaus.

Having said that, I doubt if it would have made any significant
difference had he done his shopping with ME, TNF, etc. etc. Any half
decent retailer can fit you out in stuff that wouldn't be out of place
in the Himalayas, never mind Scotland, and the UK isn't short of at
least half decent retailers.

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I reckon that the mountain shots would have looked great on a HD TV though?

Yes. The Suilven shots were lovely. Though if you could get a clear
day they'd look better from Suilven! Unfortunately we've abandoned at
least 2 expeditions to that very bothy because of [censored] weather :-(

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

"Roger" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I watched it, then I watched the Wainwright program on BBC 4, then I
went to bed.

Missed that. Why do they have two progs like that virtually on top of each
other? It's like unregulated buses.

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What I want to know is where did all that virgin snow come from and for
that matter the float plane.

Never mind the virgin snow, it was virgin snow and sun and views for miles
on Suilven!!...At least it was a bit more realistic on Ben Hope.

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Napes Needle is harder isn't it?

Yes. It should be fun watching him do that. I spurned a chance a long time
ago as the climb seemed to get harder as it got nearer the top. I suppose
that's why I'm on urw and not urc.

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Griff was wrong about how highly prized Ben Hope is though. The Inn Pin
occupies that position.

He fluffed it a couple of times. He said it was the most northerly and the
most remote, which it isn't (remote). Then he went to Skye, took Gaelic
lessons, and made an absolute hash of Sgurr Thormaid which came out as
Tormaid instead of something like Horomich.

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Bruach na Frithe was chosen as it is close to the Slig and is the
easiest of the Munros on the Main Ridge to get up.

Aye, he probably wanted to get back for a quick pint :-)

Graham

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:15:36 GMT, "Graham Seed" <[email hidden]>

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Missed that. Why do they have two progs like that virtually on top of each
other? It's like unregulated buses.

Wainwirght is repeated on Wednesday not sure if mountain is repeated
anyone know.
--
Gwyn. [email hidden]
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Gwyn said:

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:15:36 GMT, "Graham Seed" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Missed that. Why do they have two progs like that virtually on top of each
other? It's like unregulated buses.

Wainwirght is repeated on Wednesday not sure if mountain is repeated
anyone know.

As I've mentioned elsewhere, download them from:

http://thebox.bz/main.php

Jim Ford