Re: Interesting viewpoint

TOG@toil wrote on 27/06/2007 17:20 +0100:

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Just wait until I T-bone of the London's thousands of red light
jumping Lycra-clad [censored]....

I've not noticed that drivers in London wear Lycra. I shall keep an eye
out.

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Tony

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On Jun 27, 4:12 pm, Wicked Uncle Nigel <[email hidden]>
wrote:>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/6246140.stm

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The jury in the case of the cyclists who were killed on an icy road
has blamed (amongst other things) the driver's "inappropriate driving"
in the conditions.

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No one seems to have questioned the wisdom of a group of cyclists
being on the road in icy conditions.

The cyclists didn't lose control of their bikes. They were riding along,
legally and safely, until some idiot with three bald tyres doing 50mph on
ice ploughed into them.

And /they're/ in the wrong? This from a /motorcyclist/ ?

If this loon, instead of ploughing into a group of cyclists out for a run,
had ploughed into a group of motorcyclists out for a run, would you be
saying 'oh, but the motorcyclists are to blame - they shouldn't have been
on the road'?

Those of us who go out on the roads without a ton of steel armour around us
ought to stick together at least a bit - we're all equally vulnerable.

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On Jun 27, 4:12 pm, Wicked Uncle Nigel <[email hidden]>
wrote:>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/6246140.stm

Quoted message said:

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The jury in the case of the cyclists who were killed on an icy road has
blamed (amongst other things) the driver's "inappropriate driving" in
the conditions.

Quoted message said:

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No one seems to have questioned the wisdom of a group of cyclists being
on the road in icy conditions.

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Comments?

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It seems to be politically incorrect to ever blame a cyclist for being
in the wrong.

Just wait until I T-bone of the London's thousands of red light
jumping Lycra-clad [censored]....

You'll like this then:

--

TimP

Hog said:

Thinking about it, there are no practical barriers, time any bicycle used on
the road had to wear a small rear number plate. They should pay a road tax
and carry 3rd party liability insurance. Helmets should deffo be compulsory.
Traffic violations, pavements/lights etc should carry the same financial
penalty as other vehicles.

I think the law should be waived for really slow, perfectly controlled
wheelies through any pedestrianised area.

Simon Brooke said:

Those of us who go out on the roads without a ton of steel armour
around us ought to stick together at least a bit - we're all equally
vulnerable.

The ice wasn't the motorists fault, more tyre tread doesn't help on ice, his
speed was not excessive on the road, how would he know ice was around.
Anyone could have been caught out. I feel sympathy for the cyclists and the
driver.

--
Hog

ginge said:

Hog said:

Thinking about it, there are no practical barriers, time any bicycle
used on the road had to wear a small rear number plate. They should
pay a road tax and carry 3rd party liability insurance. Helmets
should deffo be compulsory. Traffic violations, pavements/lights etc
should carry the same financial penalty as other vehicles.

I think the law should be waived for really slow, perfectly controlled
wheelies through any pedestrianised area.

on any two wheeled appliance, agreed

--
Hog

TimP said:

Quoted message said:

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> The jury in the case of the cyclists who were killed on an icy road has
> blamed (amongst other things) the driver's "inappropriate driving" in
> the conditions.

Quoted message said:

> No one seems to have questioned the wisdom of a group of cyclists being
> on the road in icy conditions.

Quoted message said:

> Comments?

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It seems to be politically incorrect to ever blame a cyclist for being
in the wrong.

Just wait until I T-bone of the London's thousands of red light
jumping Lycra-clad [censored]....

You'll like this then:

Very rude, but quite fun.

I can't help but think if one of those bikes had a motor on it and a
registration plate then the police would be making further enquiries.
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:22:42 +0100, BGN <[email hidden]>

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TimP said:

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> > The jury in the case of the cyclists who were killed on an icy road has
> > blamed (amongst other things) the driver's "inappropriate driving" in
> > the conditions.

> > No one seems to have questioned the wisdom of a group of cyclists being
> > on the road in icy conditions.

> > Comments?

> It seems to be politically incorrect to ever blame a cyclist for being
> in the wrong.

Just wait until I T-bone of the London's thousands of red light
jumping Lycra-clad [censored]....

You'll like this then:

Very rude, but quite fun.

I can't help but think if one of those bikes had a motor on it and a
registration plate then the police would be making further enquiries.

I don't think motorcycle couriers ride too much differently.

Next time anyone calls for a bike courier, that's why your package
gets delivered so quickly.

Oh, and multistorey carpark downhilling is hilarious fun.
--
ZX-10R

Ben said:

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> > > The jury in the case of the cyclists who were killed on an icy road has
> > > blamed (amongst other things) the driver's "inappropriate driving" in
> > > the conditions.
>
> > > No one seems to have questioned the wisdom of a group of cyclists being
> > > on the road in icy conditions.
>
> > > Comments?
>
> > It seems to be politically incorrect to ever blame a cyclist for being
> > in the wrong.
>
> Just wait until I T-bone of the London's thousands of red light
> jumping Lycra-clad [censored]....

You'll like this then:

Very rude, but quite fun.

I can't help but think if one of those bikes had a motor on it and a
registration plate then the police would be making further enquiries.

I don't think motorcycle couriers ride too much differently.

Next time anyone calls for a bike courier, that's why your package
gets delivered so quickly.

Oh, and multistorey carpark downhilling is hilarious fun.

I park at the top of a 6 floor private multy storey car park at work
at the moment and doing it with an engine and two wheels is also quite
fun.
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TimP said:

You'll like this then:

Quite a few bits of that had me wincing and saying 'Jeez!', but very
enjoyable.

--
-Pip

Hog said:

The ice wasn't the motorists fault, more tyre tread doesn't help on
ice, his speed was not excessive on the road, how would he know ice
was around.

The fact that he (according to his own testimony) had to spend five
minutes scraping ice off his car before he got into it was possibly a
small clue that there might be ice around.

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Anyone could have been caught out.

But everyone else that drove round teh corner managed to do it without
losing control so badly they bounced off teh wall on teh other side
and ricocheted across teh road twice.

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Pip Luscher said:

TimP said:

You'll like this then:

Quite a few bits of that had me wincing and saying 'Jeez!', but very
enjoyable.

--
-Pip

In what way "enjoyable"? Why do you think cyclists get labelled "red-
light-jumping, Lycra-wearing [censored]"? Answer: red-light-jumping, Lycra-
wearing [censored] like those in the video. Along with "I'm a CYCLIST, not
just someone who rides a bike", primary-position-at-all-costs-never-
mind-common-courtesy types, of whom there seem to be rather a number
on this NG...

Rob

TimP said:

On 27 Jun, 17:20, TOG@toil,[email hidden],

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On 27 Jun, 17:16, [email hidden] wrote:

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On Jun 27, 4:12 pm, Wicked Uncle Nigel <[email hidden]>
wrote:>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/6246140.stm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> The jury in the case of the cyclists who were killed on an icy road has
> blamed (amongst other things) the driver's "inappropriate driving" in
> the conditions.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> No one seems to have questioned the wisdom of a group of cyclists being
> on the road in icy conditions.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Comments?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It seems to be politically incorrect to ever blame a cyclist for being
in the wrong.

Quoted message said:

Just wait until I T-bone of the London's thousands of red light
jumping Lycra-clad [censored]....

You'll like this then:

--

TimP- Hide quoted text -

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Cool vid. I'm not sure I could ride like that any more, but we used to
have fun sprinting across London dodging cars and buses.

TimP said:

You'll like this then:

Excellent!

People risking their lives and the approbation of others for a stupid
race. This sort of thing is what made Britain great. In the 18th
century.

--
"I dunno, I never met the chick."

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:16:38 +0100, "Hog" <[email hidden]>

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Thinking about it, there are no practical barriers, time any bicycle used on
the road had to wear a small rear number plate. They should pay a road tax
and carry 3rd party liability insurance. Helmets should deffo be compulsory.
Traffic violations, pavements/lights etc should carry the same financial
penalty as other vehicles.

As usual, you're spouting bollox.

You may have forgotten that there's several regular cyclists on ukrm.
--
Champ

ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R 600 racer
My advice as your attorney is to buy a motorcycle
To email me, neal at my domain should work.

Dan L said:

They are pretty much at the top of my most hated other road users list.

This statement is about as bigoted as you can get.

Firstly, how on earth can you have a "list of hated road users"? I
guess you group everybody by what vehicle they're in/on? Do you
include the colour of their skin, or their gender? No? Why not?

And what about the people who use more than one form of transport? Do
they actually change as they move from one to the other?

Remember that for all the unthinking reasons that you "hate cyclists",
plenty of other road users hate *you*.
--
Champ

ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R 600 racer
My advice as your attorney is to buy a motorcycle
To email me, neal at my domain should work.

Simon Brooke said:

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TOG@toil,[email hidden], ([email hidden]'😉

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Quoted message said:

On Jun 27, 4:12 pm, Wicked Uncle Nigel <[email hidden]>
wrote:>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/6246140.stm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> The jury in the case of the cyclists who were killed on an icy road
> has blamed (amongst other things) the driver's "inappropriate driving"
> in the conditions.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> No one seems to have questioned the wisdom of a group of cyclists
> being on the road in icy conditions.

The cyclists didn't lose control of their bikes. They were riding along,
legally and safely, until some idiot with three bald tyres doing 50mph on
ice ploughed into them.

Had one of the cyclist not already slipped on ice and fell off not 5
mins earlier?

Champ said:

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:16:38 +0100, "Hog" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Thinking about it, there are no practical barriers, time any
bicycle used on the road had to wear a small rear number plate.
They should pay a road tax and carry 3rd party liability insurance.
Helmets should deffo be compulsory. Traffic violations,
pavements/lights etc should carry the same financial penalty as
other vehicles.

As usual, you're spouting bollox.
You may have forgotten that there's several regular cyclists on ukrm.

No, he's just noticed that TOG xposted to ur.cycling and is attempting
a feeble little troll of his own.

--
"I dunno, I never met the chick."

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Pip Luscher said:

TimP said:

You'll like this then:

Quite a few bits of that had me wincing and saying 'Jeez!', but very
enjoyable.

--
-Pip

It's considered good form here to snip sigs.

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In what way "enjoyable"?

Eh? As in, well, enjoyable. Try Google.

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Why do you think cyclists get labelled "red-
light-jumping, Lycra-wearing [censored]"? Answer: red-light-jumping, Lycra-
wearing [censored] like those in the video.

I know why /some/ do.

You seem to have issues. You also seem to be under the impression that
I might be a red-light jumping Lycra-wearing-[censored] too. Err, well, come
to think of it, I do have a pair of Lycra cycle shorts somewhere. But
I don't habitually jump red lights. Even on a bicycle, of which I have
two. Ok, fair cop, two out of three ain't bad.

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Along with "I'm a CYCLIST, not
just someone who rides a bike", primary-position-at-all-costs-never-
mind-common-courtesy types, of whom there seem to be rather a number
on this NG...

Actually, I was just thinking this very thing this morning. But only
because one chap on a bicycle mildly inconvenienced me personally. I'm
sure the marks will polish out. Sometimes though, I think that they do
have a point. Road courtesy cuts both ways.

This sort of thing is not normally a problem because on most days I'd
be on one of those nasty dangerous anti-social motor-bicycle type
things but today I had to go to an offsite meeting, so I though I'd
not bother with all the bike gear and take the evil diesel-burning
baby-murdering one-and-three-quarter-tonne four-wheel-drive
planet-killer instead.

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-Pip