Landis "B" Sample Testing...

after the story broke last year, one thing the sports journalists got right--that the story would die in the mainstream sports press very quickly. And it did.

But one thing that [censored] me off about these 'taking-themselves-too-seriously' sportsheads--they joked about how cycling was a silly joke of a sport with the drugged up cyclists. Typical comments from asshats who know nothing of even the minimum of going for a ride on a road bike, or even what a Presta valve is.

And what does cycling do to someone caught doping. Two years. Second positive--banned for life.
The JOKE sports are baseball and american football. first offense nothing, second offense nothing, third offense nothing......okay not exactly nothing, that's a slight exaggeration. BUT compared with the cycling penalties for doping, it might as well be nothing.

Barry Bonds is approaching Hank Aaron's HR record right now and it's buried within the sports section, cause his record probably will end up being a sad joke. There isn't anywhere near the excitement of when Hammerin' Hank broke the Babe's record.
Everyone thinks Bonds is hitting all these HR's doped up on HGH, Steroids, etc., all of the above.
what a [censored] waste--Bonds' HRs are THE JOKE now

doping is fundamentally different in sports which can be divided to the hand-eye ball co-ordination sports, compared to athletic pursuits which stress the aerobic or anaerobic system as the prime determinant in victory.

Hand-eye sports are first and foremost determined by skill, and though a PED edge can put a competitor over the top and make the difference, the actual difference PED's provied are miniscule in the performance function.

With the traditional athletic pursuits, track and field, swimming, cycling, nordic skiing, the prime determinant of victory is strength of physiology, and PED's influence that strength to an inordinate degree, to the point one cannot compete for a win if the other rival is on a program.

So, I think one can divide the tradtional pro team sports in the US, the NBA, NFL, MLB, because they are not determined by doping.

Cycling is.

That said, perhaps cycling, especially GT cycling does have a justification because of the attrition and rigour. does that lesson the moral threshold? Or is the moral threshold amplified, since that is the measure or performance?

Is the moral threshold in the ball sports higher because they do not have taxing requirments on their physiology? OR is the moral threshold lower, as the PED cannot dictate the victor with such influence?

In the case of Bonds and baseball, one thing seems fairly clear to me, and that is that PEDs assist in recovery and thus extend a given set of skills over a longer time period. PEDs may have minimal effect in hand-eye coordination directly but it appears to me that they can have tremendous effect in allowing a 40-year-old to maintain the same level of hand-eye coordination that he had at 32.

JRMDC said:

In the case of Bonds and baseball, one thing seems fairly clear to me, and that is that PEDs assist in recovery and thus extend a given set of skills over a longer time period. PEDs may have minimal effect in hand-eye coordination directly but it appears to me that they can have tremendous effect in allowing a 40-year-old to maintain the same level of hand-eye coordination that he had at 32.

conceded, germane point

According to l`Equipe Landis´samples which have been re-tested all show traces of testo.

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PARIS (Reuters) - Further analyses of urine samples from 2006 Tour de France winner Floyd Landis have shown traces of synthetic testosterone, French newspaper L'Equipe reported on Monday.

The seven samples, taken during the 2006 Tour, had at first been tested negative but were retested by a French laboratory, L'Equipe said on its website (www.lequipe.fr.). The lab used a technique aimed at detecting exogenous testosterone as opposed to the hormone naturally contained in the body.

The tests were conducted by the anti-doping lab in Chatenay-Malabry, outside Paris, and Landis's representatives as well as experts from the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) attended the procedure, the report said.

American Landis faces a disciplinary hearing in the U.S. next month after testing positive for testosterone during the 2006 Tour.

If found guilty of doping, Landis, who denies any wrongdoing, faces a two-year suspension from the sport and the possibility of becoming the first Tour winner to be stripped of his title.

However, the American could take the matter to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).

The French Anti-Doping Agency (AFLD) agreed in February to postpone its investigation into the case in exchange for a pledge by the Californian not to race in the country in 2007, which means he will not take part in this year's Tour.

Landis, 31, is due to have a separate USADA hearing on May 14.

His lawyers say the samples were mislabelled by the French laboratory which conducted the tests, the testing process was unreliable and the rider never in fact tested positive. Testosterone can speed up recovery after exercise and generally improves stamina and strength.

portia said:

According to l`Equipe Landis´samples which have been re-tested all show traces of testo.

So Arnie "farkwit" Baker did they mis-label all the samples ?

whiteboytrash said:

English !
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PARIS (Reuters) - Further analyses of urine samples from 2006 Tour de France winner Floyd Landis have shown traces of synthetic testosterone, French newspaper L'Equipe reported on Monday.

The seven samples, taken during the 2006 Tour, had at first been tested negative but were retested by a French laboratory, L'Equipe said on its website (www.lequipe.fr.). The lab used a technique aimed at detecting exogenous testosterone as opposed to the hormone naturally contained in the body.

The tests were conducted by the anti-doping lab in Chatenay-Malabry, outside Paris, and Landis's representatives as well as experts from the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) attended the procedure, the report said.

American Landis faces a disciplinary hearing in the U.S. next month after testing positive for testosterone during the 2006 Tour.

If found guilty of doping, Landis, who denies any wrongdoing, faces a two-year suspension from the sport and the possibility of becoming the first Tour winner to be stripped of his title.

However, the American could take the matter to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).

The French Anti-Doping Agency (AFLD) agreed in February to postpone its investigation into the case in exchange for a pledge by the Californian not to race in the country in 2007, which means he will not take part in this year's Tour.

Landis, 31, is due to have a separate USADA hearing on May 14.

His lawyers say the samples were mislabelled by the French laboratory which conducted the tests, the testing process was unreliable and the rider never in fact tested positive. Testosterone can speed up recovery after exercise and generally improves stamina and strength.

whiteboytrash said:

So Arnie "farkwit" Baker did they mis-label all the samples ?

What Floyd forgot to mention is that he is an alcoholic and had at least 17 Jack Daniels and 76 beers after every stage in the Tour - that's why his T levels were high and an acute hangover is the reason he bonked on stage 16.

Rolfrae said:

What Floyd forgot to mention is that he is an alcoholic and had at least 17 Jack Daniels and 76 beers after every stage in the Tour - that's why his T levels were high and an acute hangover is the reason he bonked on stage 16.

So now he's tested positive nine times does that mean he'll be suspended for 15 years ? What happens to Floyd fairness fund ? Does he pay it back ?

whiteboytrash said:

So now he's tested positive nine times does that mean he'll be suspended for 15 years ? What happens to Floyd fairness fund ? Does he pay it back ?

Can't pay it back, he's spent it already on booze and hip operations (mostly on booze).

whiteboytrash said:

So now he's tested positive nine times does that mean he'll be suspended for 15 years ? What happens to Floyd fairness fund ? Does he pay it back ?

Can't pay it back, he's spent it already on booze and hip operations (mostly on booze).

This is beginning to annoy me. Apparently Landis's observer was not allowed to observe the tests.

USADA/LNNDD etc had a lovely chance here to prove irrefutably that Landis was a cheating scumbag. Instead they decide to contravene regulations and thereby cast doubt on the validity of the testing. How many dopers are getting away with it just because the labs can't be bothered to do the testing properly?

I think i'll wait until the case is fully over before casting judgement, and the same applies to all those other cases where the lab hasn't followed procedure properly. The rules are there for a reason after all. Innocent until proven guilty and all that [censored] we believe about in the UK.

Under the order of the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) Paul Scott, expert consultant to 2006 Tour de France champion Floyd Landis and observer at the illegal retesting of Landis' already cleared Tour de France samples, was yesterday denied entry to the Laboratoire National de Depistage du Dopage (LNDD) at Chatenay-Malabry. As such, the analysis of two samples was conducted without a Landis representative as witness. Such behavior constitutes a clear and direct infringement of Landis' rights while casting severe doubt on the integrity of an already dubious process.

This latest incident comes on the heels of a week in which Landis' observers have been repeatedly and improperly restricted from accessing key phases of data processing and analysis while USADA's expert and lawyer were able to have free lab access and directed the retesting process of LNDD.
Per the pre-arbitration process, there was to be an independent expert appointed by the arbitration panel whose role was to determine if the testing methodologies are flawed and to provide an additional degree of protection for Landis. USADA knowingly directed that the testing begin April 16 despite the fact that no such expert had been named.

Eldrack said:

This is beginning to annoy me. Apparently Landis's observer was not allowed to observe the tests.

USADA/LNNDD etc had a lovely chance here to prove irrefutably that Landis was a cheating scumbag. Instead they decide to contravene regulations and thereby cast doubt on the validity of the testing. How many dopers are getting away with it just because the labs can't be bothered to do the testing properly?

I think i'll wait until the case is fully over before casting judgement, and the same applies to all those other cases where the lab hasn't followed procedure properly. The rules are there for a reason after all. Innocent until proven guilty and all that [censored] we believe about in the UK.

are they trying to mess the whole thing up??? i like floyd but i'm totally for him getting the hook if he's been cheating. why do these organizations keep stepping on their collective units? are they trying to feed their critics with ammunition?

They should have never re-tested at LNDD. This is exactly what Landis' wanted.

whiteboytrash said:

Under the order of the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) Paul Scott, expert consultant to 2006 Tour de France champion Floyd Landis and observer at the illegal retesting of Landis' already cleared Tour de France samples, was yesterday denied entry to the Laboratoire National de Depistage du Dopage (LNDD) at Chatenay-Malabry. As such, the analysis of two samples was conducted without a Landis representative as witness. Such behavior constitutes a clear and direct infringement of Landis' rights while casting severe doubt on the integrity of an already dubious process.

This latest incident comes on the heels of a week in which Landis' observers have been repeatedly and improperly restricted from accessing key phases of data processing and analysis while USADA's expert and lawyer were able to have free lab access and directed the retesting process of LNDD.
Per the pre-arbitration process, there was to be an independent expert appointed by the arbitration panel whose role was to determine if the testing methodologies are flawed and to provide an additional degree of protection for Landis. USADA knowingly directed that the testing begin April 16 despite the fact that no such expert had been named.

According to Bordry, there was an a priori agreement between USADA and the Landis team that both USADA and Landis reps had to be present at all testing and analysis procedures, and for whatever reason the USADA reps didn't show on Sunday, and that's why Scott was denied access - ie because the USADA reps weren't present. That is, Scott wasn't arbitrarily locked out.

why did LNDD lock out landis' rep? AFAIK, there was no agreement between them and the other two parties that required both to be present.

Here's a thread on a doper board on how to beat the epi testosterone (E:T) test. Pretty enlightening.

http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/Forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18217

I saw Landis at the TdG this wknd and was a little surprised by the very warm reception he received. I expected at least a little ambivalence, but most everyone seemed supportive. He said his book is due out in June and is very confident about his upcoming case. Don't know if he knew about those test results yesterday...

The real surprise, however, was Tyler's reception. I think he received the largest applause of anyone when they announced him at the start and not a single boo or bad remark. I also overheard several people discussing how "innocent" he is. Really remarkable.

As an aside, the crowd at the Atlanta race was really disappointing. I've seen bigger crowds at NRC races and it didn't compare at all to the crowds I used to see at Tour du Pont/Trump. Anyone know what the turnout was for the TdCalifornia?