Bottom Brackets with Separate Parts

Great Eastern said:

Talking to the guy in a local bike shop today (not my usual one - I was
in a different town) and he said it was possible to remove it and fit
the newer style cartridge. However he also said i'd need about 4
different tools which would cost in excess of £30 to purchase and he
could do it cheaper.

Could anyone confirm if this is the case? He did point out from his
range roughly what tools would be needed, however there was one which he
pointed to (it was a spanner) he didn't ID it or say what it did
exactly, but it looked at least twice the size of the bottom bracket!

Ideally I'd like to replace it myself so that I'm familiar with doing
such work in the future.

Ribblecycles are selling off Campag square taper for next to nothing at the
moment (chainsets too) - the Mirage one is £2 and Centaur £10 for example.

The tool you need to fit the six-notch types can be had for £6.99 from
wiggle, here:

http://wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?W=0&Manufacturer=&UberCatName=&Cat=cycle&CategoryName=Tools%20-%20Workshop&ProdID=5360026105&UberCat=0

You also need a big spanner, and whatever it takes to remove the old one but
that's about it. If you don't have the tools to remove the old one, I'd get
him to do it, but fit the new one myself. In fact, that's what I did when I
set up an old bike with a new Veloce bottom bracket.

--
Jim

Great Eastern wrote:
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Talking to the guy in a local bike shop today (not my usual one - I
was in a different town) and he said it was possible to remove it and
fit the newer style cartridge. However he also said i'd need about 4
different tools which would cost in excess of £30 to purchase and he
could do it cheaper.

From www.mikedyason.com .......

Tools to remove most older types of BB: "Bottom Bracket Wrench & Lock Ring
Tool", £4.99 . (Or bodge with hammer & screwdriver instead).

Tool to fit modern Shimano type BB: "Bottom Bracket Tool for Shimano",
£5.25
(This requires an an ordinary large or adjustable spanner as well, which I
expect you have already).

Postage: £0

~PB

Check www.sheldonbrown.com for what direction to turn each cup.

~PB

Pete Biggs said:

Tools to remove most older types of BB: "Bottom Bracket Wrench & Lock Ring
Tool", £4.99 . (Or bodge with hammer & screwdriver instead).

Thanks...I've already got a spanner which can get rid of the outer
nut...I probably could find something in the workshop at work to get rid
of the rest then if special pullers can be substituted.

Quoted message said:

Tool to fit modern Shimano type BB: "Bottom Bracket Tool for Shimano",
£5.25
(This requires an an ordinary large or adjustable spanner as well, which I
expect you have already).

Yep, already have large spanner, not worried about having to purchase
the tool to fit the new one as It'll no doubt come in useful in the future.

in message <[email hidden]>, Jim Higson

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Ribblecycles are selling off Campag square taper for next to nothing at
the moment (chainsets too) - the Mirage one is £2 and Centaur £10 for
example.

H'mmm... so they are. Mirage compact double for 22 squid. Do I remember
people saying that their online fullfillment is dreadful?

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Simon Brooke said:

Do I
remember people saying that their online fullfillment is dreadful?

Ribble are dreadful at dealing with mistakes, in my experience with several
mistakes they made.

What other company would send two lots of what you order, charge you for
both, and then take five weeks to refund the extra even though you'd
promptly returned the unsolicited goods? And ignore most of your emails and
letters? That's what I experienced a couple of years ago, and I heard of
somone else having similar trouble recently.

~PB

In article <[email hidden]>, Great
Eastern
[email hidden] says...

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Many thanks to all who have helped me so far. I've replaced my Freewheel
and rear Derailleur no fuss because of the advise given here. Its
certainly more rewarding than asking a bike shop to do it!

Whilst I'm doing such works on the bike, I thought I'd replace all
cheaper/warn parts, and I've come to the Bottom Braket which is loose
which is at times noisy.

Its currently got an awful thing which is all separate parts - cups,
cones and loose bearings.

Talking to the guy in a local bike shop today (not my usual one - I was
in a different town) and he said it was possible to remove it and fit
the newer style cartridge. However he also said i'd need about 4
different tools which would cost in excess of £30 to purchase and he
could do it cheaper.

Could anyone confirm if this is the case? He did point out from his
range roughly what tools would be needed, however there was one which he
pointed to (it was a spanner) he didn't ID it or say what it did
exactly, but it looked at least twice the size of the bottom bracket!

Ideally I'd like to replace it myself so that I'm familiar with doing
such work in the future.

The fixed cup of a CCB bottom bracket can be removed with a bench vice
(or sometimes a large adjustable spanner) - it has a left handed thread
so undoes clockwise as viewed from the drive side of the bike. The
lockring and adjusting cup can be removed (anticlockwise) with water-
pump pliers. So if you already have these you won't need any specialist
tools to remove the old one. There's no point buying the proper tools
because you'll never use them again once you get rid of the old BB. A
cartridge BB needs the right tool - if you go for Shimano the tool will
cost about £8, and a basic BB like the UN40 about £12. You'll also need
a spanner to turn the tool.

Jim Higson said:

Ribblecycles are selling off Campag square taper for next to nothing
at the moment (chainsets too) - the Mirage one is £2 and Centaur £10
for example.

Don't fit a Campag bottom bracket to your bike unless you have a Campag
chainset though, as the taper on Campag BB's (iso) are smaller than Shimano
(jis) tapers.

Tom
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Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Jim Higson

(') said:

Ribblecycles are selling off Campag square taper for next to nothing at
the moment (chainsets too) - the Mirage one is £2 and Centaur £10 for
example.

H'mmm... so they are. Mirage compact double for 22 squid. Do I remember
people saying that their online fullfillment is dreadful?

Never actually ordered form them so couldn't say.

What confuses me slightly is how the Mirage triple is £32.95, whereas the
Race Triple is more than twice as much at £68.95 - isn't Race just the new
name for Mirage with a triple?

On 01/15/2007 18:35:03 Great Eastern said:

Many thanks to all who have helped me so far. I've replaced my Freewheel
and rear Derailleur no fuss because of the advise given here. Its
certainly more rewarding than asking a bike shop to do it!

Quoted message said:

Whilst I'm doing such works on the bike, I thought I'd replace all
cheaper/warn parts, and I've come to the Bottom Braket which is loose
which is at times noisy.

Quoted message said:

Its currently got an awful thing which is all separate parts - cups, cones
and loose bearings.

Quoted message said:

Talking to the guy in a local bike shop today (not my usual one - I was in
a different town) and he said it was possible to remove it and fit the
newer style cartridge. However he also said i'd need about 4 different
tools which would cost in excess of £30 to purchase and he could do it
cheaper.

Quoted message said:

Could anyone confirm if this is the case? He did point out from his range
roughly what tools would be needed, however there was one which he pointed
to (it was a spanner) he didn't ID it or say what it did exactly, but it
looked at least twice the size of the bottom bracket!

Quoted message said:

Ideally I'd like to replace it myself so that I'm familiar with doing such
work in the future.

You need to be able to remove the pedals, which requires a tool, and then you will need a tool for the bb cups and possibly a different one for the new one, other than that a torque wrench and some LM grease would be useful.
--

Buck

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Buck said:

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Ideally I'd like to replace it myself so that I'm familiar with doing
such work in the future.

You need to be able to remove the pedals, which requires a tool,

But only a normal spanner, which isn't expensive and the OP probably has
anyway. Unless there are pedals out there that need special tools?

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and then
you will need a tool for the bb cups and possibly a different one for the
new one,

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other than that a torque wrench

But shouldn't a normal spanner be fine for this work?

On 01/16/2007 11:18:06 Jim Higson said:

Buck wrote:

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Ideally I'd like to replace it myself so that I'm familiar with doing
such work in the future.

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You need to be able to remove the pedals, which requires a tool,

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But only a normal spanner, which isn't expensive and the OP probably has
anyway. Unless there are pedals out there that need special tools?

You need a tool to push the pedal of the bb, tools can be had for about £5.

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and then you will need a tool for the bb cups and possibly a different
one for the new one,

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other than that a torque wrench

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But shouldn't a normal spanner be fine for this work?

The bb cups are usually internally splined, a tool for this is usually £5 for a light use one, plus using a torque wrench means you can seat the bb properly.

The bike shop should have workshop quality tools, which are more expensive but designed for more use.

--

Buck

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"Buck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Ideally I'd like to replace it myself so that I'm familiar with doing
> such work in the future.

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You need to be able to remove the pedals, which requires a tool,

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But only a normal spanner, which isn't expensive and the OP probably has
anyway. Unless there are pedals out there that need special tools?

You need a tool to push the pedal of the bb, tools can be had for about
£5.

If you were to say crank rather than pedal you might make more sense.

cheers,
clive

Buck said:

On 01/16/2007 11:18:06 Jim Higson said:

Buck wrote:

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> Ideally I'd like to replace it myself so that I'm familiar with doing
> such work in the future.

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You need to be able to remove the pedals, which requires a tool,

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But only a normal spanner, which isn't expensive and the OP probably has
anyway. Unless there are pedals out there that need special tools?

You need a tool to push the pedal of the bb, tools can be had for about
£5.

I was talking about removing the pedals from the cranks, from what you just
said you seem to have meant removing the cranks from the bottom bracket
when you said "remove the pedals". In which case, yes, you do need an
extractor.

Buck said:

The bb cups are usually internally splined, a tool for this is
usually £5 for a light use one, plus using a torque wrench means you
can seat the bb properly.

You can easily fit a BB properly without a torque wrench.

~PB

On 01/16/2007 11:37:04 'Clive George said:

"Buck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> Ideally I'd like to replace it myself so that I'm familiar with doing
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> You need to be able to remove the pedals, which requires a tool,

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But only a normal spanner, which isn't expensive and the OP probably has
anyway. Unless there are pedals out there that need special tools?

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You need a tool to push the pedal of the bb, tools can be had for about

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If you were to say crank rather than pedal you might make more sense.

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cheers, clive

True, I should know better but I'm tired.

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On 01/16/2007 13:56:32 'Pete Biggs said:

Buck wrote:

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The bb cups are usually internally splined, a tool for this is usually
£5 for a light use one, plus using a torque wrench means you can seat
the bb properly.

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You can easily fit a BB properly without a torque wrench.

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~PB

I disagree.

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Buck said:

On 01/16/2007 13:56:32 'Pete Biggs said:

You can easily fit a BB properly without a torque wrench.

I disagree.

That's me [censored] then!

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On 01/16/2007 22:35:38 Don Whybrow said:

Buck wrote:

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On 01/16/2007 13:56:32 "Pete Biggs"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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You can easily fit a BB properly without a torque wrench.

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I disagree.

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That's me [censored] then!

Your crankset will fall off tomorrow now you have said that.

--

Buck

Give a little person a little power and create a big problem.

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