CTC error

wafflycat said:

The CTC has made an unwise move, I think.

According to the copy of Cycle which arrived this morning, Jon Snow
is the new CTC president, having been invited to take the role once
Phil Liggett steps down.

This will be Jon Snow, the newsreader, who back in February on
'Richard & Judy' (13th February 2006) admitted he tells people not to
take up cycling as "it's too dangerous out there" and that cyclists
should be kept separate from traffic on separate facilities, so
promoting the erroneous view that cycling is inherently dangerous.
How long is it going to take before this comes back and bites the CTC
in its organisational backside when the media picks up on how the CTC
has a president who thinks cyclists should be kept off the roads, yet
at the same time supporting Daniel Cadden, a CTC member who was fined
for cycling on the road. Mixed messages from the CTC, anyone?
I feel like handing in my CTC membership in disgust.

Jon with his high media profile should generate a lot of good publicity for
the CTC and cycling in general. Perhaps he will change his erroneous views
once the CTC educate him. Though it is weird to hire a president who needs
such education!

~PB

wafflycat said:

This will be Jon Snow, the newsreader, who back in February on 'Richard
& Judy' (13th February 2006) admitted he tells people not to take up
cycling as "it's too dangerous out there" and that cyclists should be
kept separate from traffic on separate facilities, so promoting the
erroneous view that cycling is inherently dangerous. How long is it
going to take before this comes back and bites the CTC in its
organisational backside when the media picks up on how the CTC has a
president who thinks cyclists should be kept off the roads, yet at the
same time supporting Daniel Cadden, a CTC member who was fined for
cycling on the road. Mixed messages from the CTC, anyone?

People do change their minds, especially when presented with the correct
information in place of their previous misapprehensions. Let's hope
that the CTC change Mr. Snow's. In the meantime, write to seek
assurance that they do their very best to do just that.

Quoted message said:

I feel like handing in my CTC membership in disgust.

I'd wait until he shows evidence of keeping it up before taking such a step.

Pete.
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Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Quoted message said:

Jon with his high media profile should generate a lot of good publicity
for the CTC and cycling in general. Perhaps he will change his erroneous
views once the CTC educate him. Though it is weird to hire a president
who needs such education!

~PB

Yes, it was that high media profile that got him invited on to the Richard &
Judy show to discuss cycling, where he took it unpon himself to announce to
the viewers that when he's asked by anyone about taking up cycling, he tells
them not to do it... oh, and he admits to pavement cycling as well :-(

Cheers, helen s

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According to the copy of Cycle which arrived this morning, Jon Snow is the
new CTC president, having been invited to take the role once Phil Liggett
steps down.

Well that's great news, surely. A real (and high profile) cyclist
helping to represent the views of real cyclists to the wider public.

What more could you want? Somebody who is highly controlled by the
organisation, a puppet if you like?

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

According to the copy of Cycle which arrived this morning, Jon Snow is
the
new CTC president, having been invited to take the role once Phil Liggett
steps down.

Well that's great news, surely. A real (and high profile) cyclist
helping to represent the views of real cyclists to the wider public.

What more could you want? Somebody who is highly controlled by the
organisation, a puppet if you like?

How about someone who hasn't gone on national TV in February of this year on
'Richard & Judy' (13th February 2006) and admitted he tells people not to
take up cycling as "it's too dangerous out there" and that cyclists should
be kept separate from traffic on separate facilities, so promoting the
erroneous view that cycling is inherently dangerous. The CTC will now have a
president who has publicly said he tells people not to take up cycling.
Personally I'd much rather the CTC has a president who did not do that as
part of the role of the CTC is to actively encourage people to take up
cycling - not attempt to dissuade them of it.

Cheers, helen s

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Quoted message said:

Jon with his high media profile should generate a lot of good publicity
for the CTC and cycling in general. Perhaps he will change his erroneous
views once the CTC educate him. Though it is weird to hire a president
who needs such education!

~PB

Yes, it was that high media profile that got him invited on to the Richard
& Judy show to discuss cycling, where he took it unpon himself to announce
to the viewers that when he's asked by anyone about taking up cycling, he
tells them not to do it... oh, and he admits to pavement cycling as well
:-(

I think that's more than enough reasons to not hire him. I'd certainly hand
my CTC card back, if I had one.

The person at the healm doesn't need to be a keen cyclist, but has to
advocate the good things about it, and be a figurehead for good behaviour.

tom said:

What more could you want? Somebody who is highly controlled by the
organisation, a puppet if you like?

I'm not interested in a puppet, but I'd certainly prefer someone with a
Clue about both the relative and absolute dangers of cycling.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Following on from wafflycat's message. . .

Quoted message said:

The CTC has made an unwise move, I think.

According to the copy of Cycle which arrived this morning, Jon Snow is the
new CTC president, having been invited to take the role once Phil Liggett
steps down.

This will be Jon Snow, the newsreader, who back in February on 'Richard &
Judy' (13th February 2006) admitted he tells people not to take up cycling
as "it's too dangerous out there" and that cyclists should be kept separate
from traffic on separate facilities, so promoting the erroneous view that
cycling is inherently dangerous. How long is it going to take before this
comes back and bites the CTC in its organisational backside when the media
picks up on how the CTC has a president who thinks cyclists should be kept
off the roads, yet at the same time supporting Daniel Cadden, a CTC member
who was fined for cycling on the road. Mixed messages from the CTC, anyone?

I feel like handing in my CTC membership in disgust.

Cheers, helen s

Well said Helen.

I've already given up with the CTC else I'd want to know who thought
that somebody off the cab rank of after-dinner speakers was a good bet.
Let's face it cyclists are by their very nature do-ers and get the knees
dirty people. And (no offence intended to the large cohort of fit,
strong, and experienced cyclists) why have somebody who fits the
'retired old fogey with a basket on the handlebars and cycle clips on
their tweeds' stereotype when say a 25-y.o. mad red-haired uni-cyclist
would be better on the telly and better for 'what the hell - everyone
jump on and off we go'.

$64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?
The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees'
qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with
televisions and sporty knowledge would know about.

Cycling needs brains not mouthpieces.

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Quoted message said:

The CTC has made an unwise move, I think.

According to the copy of Cycle which arrived this morning, Jon Snow is the
new CTC president, having been invited to take the role once Phil Liggett
steps down.

This will be Jon Snow, the newsreader, who back in February on 'Richard &
Judy' (13th February 2006) admitted he tells people not to take up cycling
as "it's too dangerous out there" and that cyclists should be kept
separate from traffic on separate facilities, so promoting the erroneous
view that cycling is inherently dangerous. How long is it going to take
before this comes back and bites the CTC in its organisational backside
when the media picks up on how the CTC has a president who thinks cyclists
should be kept off the roads, yet at the same time supporting Daniel
Cadden, a CTC member who was fined for cycling on the road. Mixed messages
from the CTC, anyone?

I feel like handing in my CTC membership in disgust.

Cheers, helen s

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Peter Fox said:

I've already given up with the CTC else I'd want to know who thought
that somebody off the cab rank of after-dinner speakers was a good bet.
Let's face it cyclists are by their very nature do-ers and get the knees
dirty people. And (no offence intended to the large cohort of fit,
strong, and experienced cyclists) why have somebody who fits the
'retired old fogey with a basket on the handlebars and cycle clips on
their tweeds' stereotype when say a 25-y.o. mad red-haired uni-cyclist
would be better on the telly and better for 'what the hell - everyone
jump on and off we go'.

$64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?
The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees'
qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with
televisions and sporty knowledge would know about.

Cycling needs brains not mouthpieces.

And I'd disagree. Cycling needs ambassadors who can be respected and
seen as normal by the general public. The positive reasons to have Jon
Snow are:

1. He is a well known person.
2. He is mainstream, hence 'normal'
3. He has gravitas which commands a degree of respect across the board.
4. He is a regular utility cyclist.

Against are the points that Helen has made, ie. it would really help if
he could provide some degree of accuracy and logic behind his opinions.
And it really would help if he stuck to the law, like the rest of us
try to.

...d

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Quoted message said:

The CTC has made an unwise move, I think.

According to the copy of Cycle which arrived this morning, Jon Snow is
the new CTC president, having been invited to take the role once Phil
Liggett steps down.

This will be Jon Snow, the newsreader, who back in February on 'Richard &
Judy' (13th February 2006) admitted he tells people not to take up
cycling as "it's too dangerous out there" and that cyclists should be
kept separate from traffic on separate facilities, so promoting the
erroneous view that cycling is inherently dangerous. How long is it going
to take before this comes back and bites the CTC in its organisational
backside when the media picks up on how the CTC has a president who
thinks cyclists should be kept off the roads, yet at the same time
supporting Daniel Cadden, a CTC member who was fined for cycling on the
road. Mixed messages from the CTC, anyone?

I feel like handing in my CTC membership in disgust.

Cheers, helen s

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On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:17:13 +0100 someone who may be "wafflycat"
<w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

This will be Jon Snow, the newsreader, who back in February on 'Richard &
Judy' (13th February 2006) admitted he tells people not to take up cycling
as "it's too dangerous out there" and that cyclists should be kept separate
from traffic on separate facilities, so promoting the erroneous view that
cycling is inherently dangerous. How long is it going to take before this
comes back and bites the CTC in its organisational backside when the media
picks up on how the CTC has a president who thinks cyclists should be kept
off the roads, yet at the same time supporting Daniel Cadden, a CTC member
who was fined for cycling on the road. Mixed messages from the CTC, anyone?

I feel like handing in my CTC membership in disgust.

I'm not a member. However, they can be jerked into action by a
suitably worded e-mail. My impression is that the organisation
consists of two parts. One are the generic organisation bods, who
move from one organisation to the other at will. The others are
those interested in cycling.

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Peter Fox said:

$64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?
The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees'
qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with
televisions and sporty knowledge would know about.

Will Mr Snow be requiring a Pedalometer to explain his decisions?

I think AHD is a particularly good choice though whether he'd fit with David Martin's mainstream (i.e. normal) requirement is debatable.

Others:

Chris Boardman? Not utility enough?

Nicole Cooke? Too young? Not famous enough? (despite being the best female cyclist in the world)

Sean Yates? Again, not utility? Too bloody busy anyway?

Christian Wolmar? Too political? Not famous enough? Not mainstream enough?

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$64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?
The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees'
qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with
televisions and sporty knowledge would know about.

Boris Jonstone?

No, I am vaguely serious. He is a Tory, I know, but he is well known as a
regular utility cyclist and is media-friendly in his own bizarre way.

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In article <[email hidden]>,
Peter Fox <[email hidden]> writes:
|>
|> $64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?
|> The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees'
|> qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with
|> televisions and sporty knowledge would know about.
|>
|> Cycling needs brains not mouthpieces.

The other television Jeremy? He cycles and he has brains, and is
not inclined to suffer fools gladly.

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Nick Maclaren said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Peter Fox <[email hidden]> writes:
|>
|> $64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?
|> The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees'
|> qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with
|> televisions and sporty knowledge would know about.
|>
|> Cycling needs brains not mouthpieces.

The other television Jeremy? He cycles and he has brains, and is
not inclined to suffer fools gladly.

Mr Paxman..

There are a surprising [1] number of high profile types who cycle. Most
just get on with it.

I think JS will be a good figurehead for the CTC and will be able to be
'on message' when necessary. Whether he will ever have a 'Jon and his
mates' ride like the Ph&F remains to be seen (dodging through city
centres on the pavement?)

JP would be somewhat too abrasive a personality for the diplomatic role
of CTC president?

...d

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in message <[email hidden]>, Peter Fox

(') said:

$64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?
The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees'
qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with
televisions and sporty knowledge would know about.

Boris Jonstone?

No, I am vaguely serious. He is a Tory, I know, but he is well known as a
regular utility cyclist and is media-friendly in his own bizarre way.

You have to be out of your mind! And I am not talking about politics here
Trevor A Panther
In South Yorkshire,
England, United Kingdom.
www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk.

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Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Peter Fox

(') said:

$64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?
The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees'
qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with
televisions and sporty knowledge would know about.

Boris Jonstone?

No, I am vaguely serious. He is a Tory, I know, but he is well known as a
regular utility cyclist and is media-friendly in his own bizarre way.

We like Boris :-)

Peter Fox said:

$64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?
The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees'
qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with
televisions and sporty knowledge would know about.

Yes, him or the presenter of that recent bbc programs about mapping who went
over some of the lake district passes on a 100 year old bike ...
ah yes, Nicholas Crane http://www.tvfactual.co.uk/nicolas_crane.htm though Adam
Hart's better known.

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