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  1. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Peter Fox

    (') said:

    $64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?
    The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees'
    qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with
    televisions and sporty knowledge would know about.

    Boris Jonstone?

    No, I am vaguely serious. He is a Tory, I know, but he is well known as a
    regular utility cyclist and is media-friendly in his own bizarre way.


    Agreed: I think he would be excellent!

    Julesh

  2. "Stephen Patterson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Yes, him or the presenter of that recent bbc programs about mapping who
    went
    over some of the lake district passes on a 100 year old bike ...
    ah yes, Nicholas Crane http://www.tvfactual.co.uk/nicolas_crane.htm though
    Adam
    Hart's better known.

    Funnily enough, my other half came up with exactly the same suggestions:
    Nicholas Crane or Adam Hart-Davis.

    Cheers, helen s

  3. "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Stephen Patterson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Yes, him or the presenter of that recent bbc programs about mapping who
    went
    over some of the lake district passes on a 100 year old bike ...
    ah yes, Nicholas Crane http://www.tvfactual.co.uk/nicolas_crane.htm
    though Adam
    Hart's better known.

    Funnily enough, my other half came up with exactly the same suggestions:
    Nicholas Crane or Adam Hart-Davis.

    Cheers, helen s

    Then there's the cycling journalist Simon Calder, possibly? Dunno? He does
    seem to go everywhere on his Brommie - taking it on his travels abroad.

  4. Peter Fox said:


    $64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?
    The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees'
    qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with
    televisions and sporty knowledge would know about.

    I'd be anti AHD because he's been backing a MHL organisation (damned if I
    can remember who though)

    Tom
    --
    Return address is dead. Real address is at
    http://www.box.net/public/0n493oa6y7

  5. On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:08:41 +0100 someone who may be "wafflycat"
    <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    Then there's the cycling journalist Simon Calder, possibly? Dunno? He does
    seem to go everywhere on his Brommie

    And wearing a h£$*(t everywhere.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh
    I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

  6. Stephen Patterson said:

    Yes, him or the presenter of that recent bbc programs about mapping
    who went over some of the lake district passes on a 100 year old bike
    ...
    ah yes, Nicholas Crane http://www.tvfactual.co.uk/nicolas_crane.htm`

    No thanks. He'd want it made compulsary for cyclists to carry an umbrella
    at all times.

    Jon Snow seems like an OK bloke. I'm sure he'd say something different next
    time he appeared on [censored] and Judy.

    ~PB

  7. Peter Fox wrote on 25/09/2006 14:20 +0100:

    Quoted message said:


    $64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?

    Jeremy Paxman, the girl Stephanie something who did the BBC piece
    without a helmet recently, John Cauldwell (now he's sold Phones4U he
    will have time on his hands and has the cachet of being able to say he
    prefers cycling the 200 miles to London for a meeting over taking the
    helicopter)

    --
    Tony

    "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
    his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
    - Leonardo da Vinci

  8. "Pete Biggs" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Stephen Patterson said:

    Yes, him or the presenter of that recent bbc programs about mapping
    who went over some of the lake district passes on a 100 year old bike
    ...
    ah yes, Nicholas Crane http://www.tvfactual.co.uk/nicolas_crane.htm`

    No thanks. He'd want it made compulsary for cyclists to carry an umbrella
    at all times.

    Jon Snow seems like an OK bloke. I'm sure he'd say something different
    next time he appeared on [censored] and Judy.

    Especially if he is being paid by CTC

    No No thrice no! Not ever

    I will not reenlist next month

    --
    Trevor A Panther
    In South Yorkshire,
    England, United Kingdom.
    www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

  9. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Peter Fox

    (') said:

    $64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?

    Boris Jonstone?

    No, I am vaguely serious. He is a Tory, I know, but he is well known as a
    regular utility cyclist and is media-friendly in his own bizarre way.

    I'd second Boris.

    regards, Ian SMith
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  10. Peter Fox said:

    $64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?

    Stephanie Flanders

    Chris
    --
    Chris Eilbeck

  11. in message <[email hidden]>, wheelist

    (') said:


    Peter Fox said:

    $64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?
    The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees'
    qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with
    televisions and sporty knowledge would know about.
    Will Mr Snow be requiring a Pedalometer to explain his decisions?

    I think AHD is a particularly good choice though whether he'd fit with
    David Martin's mainstream (i.e. normal) requirement is debatable.

    Others:

    Chris Boardman? Not utility enough?

    Nicole Cooke? Too young? Not famous enough? (despite being the best
    female cyclist in the world)

    Sean Yates? Again, not utility? Too bloody busy anyway?

    'Christian Wolmar' (http://www.christianwolmar.co.uk)? Too political?
    Not famous enough? Not mainstream enough?

    This begs the question of whether we're looking for someone to represent
    cycling as a utility activity, cycling as a liesure activity, or cycling
    as a sport. The CTC have traditionally represented cycling as liesure;
    British Cycling and the SCU have traditionally represented cycling as
    sport. Both seem to be making some moves towards representing cycling as a
    utility activity, but neither are doing it very well yet.

    Nicole Cooke is superficially a good candidate for a representative of
    cycling as a sport, but as she has hopefully many years of competitive
    cycling ahead of her she doesn't really have the time to do it. Boardman
    could; so could Phil Liggett. But someone I think would be good - yes, he
    isn't actually British but he lives here - would be Magnus Bakstedt.

    For liesure cycling I really can't think of anyone prominent enough. And
    for utility cycling, while I agree Adam Hart Davis is a candidate, I
    personally come back to Boris.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    Morning had broken, and I found when I looked that we had run out
    of copper roove nails.

  12. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, wheelist
    ([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

    Quoted message said:


    For liesure cycling I really can't think of anyone prominent enough. And
    for utility cycling, while I agree Adam Hart Davis is a candidate, I
    personally come back to Boris.


    The Dutch ex Minister for Justice ( always seen riding his black
    roadster) is also looking for a job 😉

    --
    ---
    Marten Gerritsen

    INFOapestaartjeM-GINEERINGpuntNL
    www.m-gineering.nl

  13. Peter Fox said:

    $64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?

    Will Self!

  14. "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The CTC has made an unwise move, I think.

    According to the copy of Cycle which arrived this morning, Jon Snow is the
    new CTC president, having been invited to take the role once Phil Liggett
    steps down.

    This will be Jon Snow, the newsreader, who back in February on 'Richard &
    Judy' (13th February 2006) admitted he tells people not to take up cycling
    as "it's too dangerous out there" and that cyclists should be kept
    separate from traffic on separate facilities, so promoting the erroneous
    view that cycling is inherently dangerous. How long is it going to take
    before this comes back and bites the CTC in its organisational backside
    when the media picks up on how the CTC has a president who thinks cyclists
    should be kept off the roads, yet at the same time supporting Daniel
    Cadden, a CTC member who was fined for cycling on the road. Mixed messages
    from the CTC, anyone?

    I feel like handing in my CTC membership in disgust.

    Cheers, helen s

    I'm not impressed either! The following is a letter to "Cycle" the CTC mag,
    which I've just emailed to the editor.

    "Dear sir,

    I read with some disappointment of the accession of Jon Snow to the position
    of President of my club. Not because he is a journalist, and only
    politicians are held in less regard than them, but because I heard an
    interview with Mr Snow, where he claimed that a cycle helmet had saved his
    life, and that anyone sensible wore such a device. By implication, Mr Snow
    considers that anyone not wearing a cycle helmet is an idiot.

    I find it hard to accept that someone, supposedly professionally
    questioning, is unhesitating in their acceptance that cycle helmets work. I
    used to believe that helmets must work, but changed my mind after reading
    the evidence, and I find Mr Snow's assertions to be as credible as the pot
    of gold at the end of the rainbow.

    The evidence is clear, compelling and undisputed: cycle helmets don't work.
    Nowhere that has introduced helmet compulsion has shown any reduction in
    risk to cyclists, and some show an increase in risk. None of the evidence
    showing the lack of effect of helmets has been challenged, but most, if not
    all, of the evidence supposedly demonstrating their effectiveness has been
    shown to be biased and unreliable.

    The CTC's position on cycle helmets has been clearly stated many times, that
    it is a matter of individual choice, which should be made on the best
    available evidence. Mr Snow, from his public pronouncements, appears not to
    support this view.

    Neither, Mr Editor, would you appear to. The matter of helmets and their
    disproportionate numbers in pictures in "Cycle" have been commented on
    several times, and you have made some rather feeble excuses for their
    preponderance. You published a learned article about what helmets were
    supposed to do, but I have waited in vain for an article explaining that, in
    the real world, they don't do it.

    Helmet wearing in the general population of cyclists is somewhere between 20
    and 25%. The latest edition of "Cycle" has almost exactly the opposite
    proportion, with the helmeted cyclist pictures being generally larger and in
    more prominent positions than the un-helmeted. Previous editions under your
    editorship have shown the same gross, unjustifiable and unrealistic
    imbalance. As a national councilor, I voted for taking the magazine from
    in-house production to the outsourced production it now is. Whilst this has
    been successful in many ways, if I had known then that it would become
    unrepresentative and helmet-obsessed, I would not have voted for the change.

    All of which leaves me in a dilemma: do I really want to belong to a club
    with a President who thinks that the majority of the members are idiots, and
    which has a magazine editor who opposes the majority view of that club?

    Yours sincerely

    Richard Burton"

  15. "Peter Fox" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    $64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?
    The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees'
    qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with
    televisions and sporty knowledge would know about.

    AHD is yet another helmet obsessive. He wears one on his recumbent and it's
    his trademark!

    Quoted message said:


    Cycling needs brains not mouthpieces.

    Anyone who blindly accepts that helmets work doesn't have a brain, and can't
    be bothered with little things like evidence.

  16. Stephen Patterson said:
    Peter Fox said:

    $64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?
    The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees'
    qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with
    televisions and sporty knowledge would know about.

    Yes, him or the presenter of that recent bbc programs about mapping who went
    over some of the lake district passes on a 100 year old bike ...
    ah yes, Nicholas Crane http://www.tvfactual.co.uk/nicolas_crane.htm though Adam
    Hart's better known.

    He would get my vote as well, it wasn't just that route he did by bike.

    --
    Don Whybrow

    Sequi Bonum Non Time

    After things go from bad to worse, the cycle will repeat itself.

  17. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, wheelist
    ([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

    Nicole Cooke is superficially a good candidate for a representative of
    cycling as a sport, but as she has hopefully many years of competitive
    cycling ahead of her she doesn't really have the time to do it. Boardman
    could; so could Phil Liggett.

    Phil Liggett is the CTC president who's just resigned!

  18. "Ian Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:51:14 +0100, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Peter Fox

    (') said:

    $64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?

    Boris Jonstone?

    No, I am vaguely serious. He is a Tory, I know, but he is well known as
    a
    regular utility cyclist and is media-friendly in his own bizarre way.

    I'd second Boris.

    And thirded.

  19. This will be Jon Snow, the newsreader, who back in February on
    'Richard &
    Judy' (13th February 2006) admitted he tells people not to take up
    cycling
    as "it's too dangerous out there" and that cyclists should be kept
    separate
    from traffic on separate facilities, so promoting the erroneous view
    that
    cycling is inherently dangerous. How long is it going to take before
    this
    comes back and bites the CTC in its organisational backside when the
    media
    Not read all the responses - but he is probably right. Of course
    cycling is not inherently dangerous - but we share the roads with
    idiots who think that you are less than human if you ride a bike, or
    haven't 'made it' as was demonstrated by an Indian Driver plus family
    that looked at me as if I was a lump of [censored] because I Shouted 'hello'
    as he turned left out of a side street without looking right! How dare
    you impede my you low-cast person! Sorry I will crawl up my ass.

  20. How about Griff Rhys Jones?

    Managed to take his emminently sensible hybrid everywhere on
    Restoration Village, wearing normal clothes and not a 'specialist'
    piece of gear in sight. Made no fuss about the bike, it was just there
    and normal.

    He is also well liked, well respected and not from the ranks of the
    FLJS or politicians.

    ...d

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