VDB admits doping...?

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According to sportenkort.dk VDB has admitted to doping.

There is no reference to where the news came from, and I haven't found it

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any other media. I guess it was to be expected that his dog didn't do it (!), but a rider like VDB
saying that there's no way of competing at top level without doping is quite unusual.

Musseuws secret codes with his vet just makes the story even more crazy.

Is there any confirmation of the above mentioned?

It was a report in the Flemish newspaper "Het laatste niews". It's unusual, true, but it's probably
a strategic retreat to a second line of defense. Since the police has found eleven illicit products
in his home, such as growth hormones, testosteron, clembuterol, morphine, amphetamine, diuretic,
etc., it's probably no use anymore to continue denying.

Benjo Maso

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Is there any confirmation of the above mentioned?

Just checked Belgium teletekst and they also mention this. They qoute from Belgium newspaper Het
Laatste Nieuws so nothing official. Statements are about the same: "VDB confessed doping use to
investigators", "he told them top-sport is impossible without doping". They also mention that VDB
had all kind of stuff laying around to bypass/fool doping checks. It seems that drips, needles and
syringes were found scattered in his home. They also mention a list with all substances found at 27
februari 2002: growth hormones, testosteron, clenbuterol, aranesp (latest EPO), morfine,
amfetamines, moisture eliminators and four other non described products. The investigations also
seem to show that containers were opened.

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According to sportenkort.dk VDB has admitted to doping.

There is no reference to where the news came from, and I haven't found it on any other media. I
guess it was to be expected that his dog didn't do it (!), but a rider like VDB saying that
there's no way of competing at top level without doping is quite unusual.

Musseuws secret codes with his vet just makes the story even more crazy.

Is there any confirmation of the above mentioned?

HB

am I in a time warp here or is this recent news?

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According to sportenkort.dk VDB has admitted to doping.

There is no reference to where the news came from, and I haven't found

it

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on

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any other media. I guess it was to be expected that his dog didn't do it (!), but a rider like
VDB saying that there's no way of competing at top level without doping is quite unusual.

Musseuws secret codes with his vet just makes the story even more crazy.

Is there any confirmation of the above mentioned?

It was a report in the Flemish newspaper "Het laatste niews". It's

unusual,

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true, but it's probably a strategic retreat to a second line of defense. Since the police has
found eleven illicit products in his home, such as growth hormones, testosteron, clembuterol,
morphine, amphetamine,

diuretic,

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etc., it's probably no use anymore to continue denying.

Benjo Maso

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am I in a time warp here or is this recent news?

It's news because previously it was only his dog that was doping.

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am I in a time warp here or is this recent news?

It's news because previously it was only his dog that was doping.

Dumbass -

That dog story still makes me laugh.

If the authorities come in and find my stash of Pot Belge, I'll be sure to blame it on my parrot,
but it doesn't seem like that excuse will work in the States.

, but a rider like VDB saying that there's no way of competing at top

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level without doping is quite unusual.

it's the only way. only someone on a fools errand would try to deny
it.

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am I in a time warp here or is this recent news?

It's news because previously it was only his dog that was doping.

Dumbass -

That dog story still makes me laugh.

If the authorities come in and find my stash of Pot Belge, I'll be sure to blame it on my parrot,
but it doesn't seem like that excuse will work in

the

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States.

I see the humor, but it is actually an excellent defense. The drugs he claims were for the dog are
very commonly prescribed for dogs. Still, it looks bad since the connection with the corrupt
veterinarian came to light recently (and now this).

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> am I in a time warp here or is this recent news?

It's news because previously it was only his dog that was doping.

Dumbass -

That dog story still makes me laugh.

If the authorities come in and find my stash of Pot Belge, I'll be sure

to

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blame it on my parrot, but it doesn't seem like that excuse will work in

the

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States.

I see the humor, but it is actually an excellent defense. The drugs he claims were for the dog are
very commonly prescribed for dogs. Still, it looks bad since the connection with the corrupt
veterinarian came to light recently (and now this).

What this and the Museeuw situation illustrate is the truth of what Dickey V. said when he
finally came clean. I think the operative assumption has to be that everyone at the top level is
using dope and probably a whole lot of wannabes. It's time for WADA, the UCI and IOC to admit
defeat (and in Hein's case malfeasance, IMO) in the drug wars and let the competitors use
anything they want. Just make certain the riders sign informed consents and set up at fund for
the widows/widowers and orphans. Think how much fun it will be to see Tammy back in action. I'll
bet she could beat Merckx's Hour Record. ;-) Gotta go for my ride and swing by the druggist for
some caffeine suppositories. Later.......

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What this and the Museeuw situation illustrate is the truth of what Dickey V. said when he
finally came clean. I think the operative

assumption

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has to be that everyone at the top level is using dope and probably a whole lot of wannabes. It's
time for WADA, the UCI and IOC to admit defeat (and in Hein's case malfeasance, IMO) in the drug
wars and let the competitors use anything

they

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want. Just make certain the riders sign informed consents and set up at fund for the
widows/widowers and orphans. Think how much fun it will be to see Tammy back in action. I'll bet

she

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could beat Merckx's Hour Record. ;-) Gotta go for my ride and swing by the druggist for some
caffeine suppositories. Later.......

Dumbass -

Imagine the freaks we're gonna get when genetic vaccination techniques become widely available.

Someone can go in and say, "I want the mitochondria of a deer" and they can change a few genes
around and voila! the athlete's mitochondria will suddenly be 4 times more effective.

The freakish part is that we don't have a full understanding of how all the genes interact with
each other. So the athlete may get that mitochondria, but he may get some other things he didn't
bargain for.

Ever see the movie "The Fly"? Such a thing will be possible.

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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What this and the Museeuw situation illustrate is the truth of what Dickey V. said when he
finally came clean. I think the operative

assumption

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has to be that everyone at the top level is using dope and probably a

whole

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lot of wannabes. It's time for WADA, the UCI and IOC to admit defeat (and in Hein's

case

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malfeasance, IMO) in the drug wars and let the competitors use anything

they

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want. Just make certain the riders sign informed consents and set up at fund for the
widows/widowers and orphans. Think how much fun it will be to see Tammy back in action. I'll bet

she

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could beat Merckx's Hour Record. ;-) Gotta go for my ride and swing by the druggist for some
caffeine suppositories. Later.......

I think the reason the war was lost was that the definition of victory was unrealistic. I think that
the list of banned substances is far too big. I should be able to take any drugs as a cyclist that I
can take as a patient. The problem with that is there is a lot of opportunity for corrupt MDs to
supply patient\athletes on the basis of exaggerated or false diagnosis. Therefore along with the
relaxed rules I would like to see more oversight by neutral MDs. IOW, they can take prescribed drugs
but all medical files have to be made available.

The list of banned drugs also has the undesirable effect of creating the impression that many of
these drugs to enhance performance. Most of them don't.

Kurgan Gringioni said:

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What this and the Museeuw situation illustrate is the truth of what Dickey V. said when he
finally came clean. I think the operative

assumption

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has to be that everyone at the top level is using dope and probably a whole lot of wannabes. It's
time for WADA, the UCI and IOC to admit defeat (and in Hein's case malfeasance, IMO) in the drug
wars and let the competitors use anything

they

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want. Just make certain the riders sign informed consents and set up at fund for the
widows/widowers and orphans. Think how much fun it will be to see Tammy back in action. I'll bet

she

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could beat Merckx's Hour Record. ;-) Gotta go for my ride and swing by the druggist for some
caffeine suppositories. Later.......

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Dumbass -

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Imagine the freaks we're gonna get when genetic vaccination techniques become widely available.

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Someone can go in and say, "I want the mitochondria of a deer" and they can change a few genes
around and voila! the athlete's mitochondria will suddenly be 4 times more effective.

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The freakish part is that we don't have a full understanding of how all the genes interact with
each other. So the athlete may get that mitochondria, but he may get some other things he didn't
bargain for.

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Ever see the movie "The Fly"? Such a thing will be possible.

I think you just one a "dumbass" (intentional lower cese) for that ridiculous portrayal of genetics.

Clovis Lark said:

Kurgan Gringioni <[email hidden]> wrote:

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What this and the Museeuw situation illustrate is the truth of what Dickey V. said when he
finally came clean. I think the operative

assumption

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has to be that everyone at the top level is using dope and probably a whole lot of wannabes.
It's time for WADA, the UCI and IOC to admit defeat (and in Hein's case malfeasance, IMO) in the
drug wars and let the competitors use anything

they

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want. Just make certain the riders sign informed consents and set up at fund for the
widows/widowers and orphans. Think how much fun it will be to see Tammy back in action. I'll bet

she

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could beat Merckx's Hour Record. ;-) Gotta go for my ride and swing by the druggist for some
caffeine suppositories. Later.......

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Dumbass -

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Imagine the freaks we're gonna get when genetic vaccination techniques become widely available.

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Someone can go in and say, "I want the mitochondria of a deer" and they can change a few genes
around and voila! the athlete's mitochondria will suddenly be 4 times more effective.

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The freakish part is that we don't have a full understanding of how all the genes interact with
each other. So the athlete may get that mitochondria, but he may get some other things he didn't
bargain for.

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Ever see the movie "The Fly"? Such a thing will be possible.

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I think you just one a "dumbass" (intentional lower cese) for that ridiculous portrayal of
genetics.

I'll take a full upper case "DUMBASS" for my use of "one" above.

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I'll take a full upper case "DUMBASS" for my use of "one" above.

What were you trying to say? Were you saying he *won* a "dumbass" (award?)?

Confusions rains...

(I gave you that one)

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Ever see the movie "The Fly"? Such a thing will be possible.

I have and I realize the possibility every time I read one of your moronic posts.

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I think you just one a "dumbass" (intentional lower cese) for that ridiculous portrayal of
genetics.

Goddamm, you're stupid.

From: sport.guardian.co.uk0,10082,609912,00.htmlOpen ↗

The gene genie is out of the bottle

It is sport's doomsday scenario: a new wave of performance-enhancing drugs whose use is utterly
undetectable. And, according to the scientists and world

doping experts who met at a special conference in London yesterday, that doomsday is already nigh.

The key, they say, is genetic manipulation. By the Athens Olympics in 2004, dozens if not hundreds
of athletes are expected to have experimented with the rapidly emerging range of gene-altering
drugs. Unfettered by fears of being caught they will, according to the experts, shatter the accepted
limits of human performance.

"I think genetic engineering may have already started," said the former Norwegian speed-skating
champion Johann Olav Koss, a doctor and member of the International Olympic Committee's World
Anti-Doping Agency. "We can't be naive. We must be realistic."

In recent years geneticists have made major advances in gene therapy. This involves injecting the
body with artificial genes which then produce therapeutic proteins that can limit the spread of
disease and ease chronic pain. The technique, while still being tested experimentally on humans, has
already been used successfully on animals. But that is not the end of the story.

"While the information from genetic science will lead to better disease treatments," said Bruce
Lynn, a neurophysiologist at University College London and one of the organisers of yesterday's
conference on genetics and their role in sport. "It will also present the sports industry with a
Pandora's box."

<snip>

Researchers at London's Royal Free hospital and UCL's medical school recently tested muscle-building
engineered vaccines on mice. Dubbed mechano-growth factor (MGF), a protein which makes muscles grow
and repair themselves, the vaccines were found to increase muscle mass by as much as 60% within a
month and with no exercise.

"We call them the Schwarzenegger mice," said a Harvard medical school professor, Nadia Rosenthal,
who has run similar experiments. "I'd be totally surprised if it was not going on in sports. Those
with terminal cancer and Aids want to know 'What will keep me alive?' Athletes want to know 'What
will help me win?'"

But there is a cost, and not just the potential disintegration of sport as we know it. Many drugs
have dangerous, or even toxic, side-effects. Use of human-growth hormone leads to enlarged organs
and uncontrollable bone growth in the face and hands; inserted genes could spin out of control,
leading to thickening blood, strokes, heart attacks and death.

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Ever see the movie "The Fly"? Such a thing will be possible.

I have and I realize the possibility every time I read one of your moronic posts.

Dumbass -

From: sport.guardian.co.uk0,10082,609912,00.htmlOpen ↗

The gene genie is out of the bottle

It is sport's doomsday scenario: a new wave of performance-enhancing drugs whose use is utterly
undetectable. And, according to the scientists and world

doping experts who met at a special conference in London yesterday, that doomsday is already nigh.

The key, they say, is genetic manipulation. By the Athens Olympics in 2004, dozens if not hundreds
of athletes are expected to have experimented with the rapidly emerging range of gene-altering
drugs. Unfettered by fears of being caught they will, according to the experts, shatter the accepted
limits of human performance.

"I think genetic engineering may have already started," said the former Norwegian speed-skating
champion Johann Olav Koss, a doctor and member of the International Olympic Committee's World
Anti-Doping Agency. "We can't be naive. We must be realistic."

In recent years geneticists have made major advances in gene therapy. This involves injecting the
body with artificial genes which then produce therapeutic proteins that can limit the spread of
disease and ease chronic pain. The technique, while still being tested experimentally on humans, has
already been used successfully on animals. But that is not the end of the story.

"While the information from genetic science will lead to better disease treatments," said Bruce
Lynn, a neurophysiologist at University College London and one of the organisers of yesterday's
conference on genetics and their role in sport. "It will also present the sports industry with a
Pandora's box."

<snip>

Researchers at London's Royal Free hospital and UCL's medical school recently tested muscle-building
engineered vaccines on mice. Dubbed mechano-growth factor (MGF), a protein which makes muscles grow
and repair themselves, the vaccines were found to increase muscle mass by as much as 60% within a
month and with no exercise.

"We call them the Schwarzenegger mice," said a Harvard medical school professor, Nadia Rosenthal,
who has run similar experiments. "I'd be totally surprised if it was not going on in sports. Those
with terminal cancer and Aids want to know 'What will keep me alive?' Athletes want to know 'What
will help me win?'"

But there is a cost, and not just the potential disintegration of sport as we know it. Many drugs
have dangerous, or even toxic, side-effects. Use of human-growth hormone leads to enlarged organs
and uncontrollable bone growth in the face and hands; inserted genes could spin out of control,
leading to thickening blood, strokes, heart attacks and death.

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Nick Burns said:

"Clovis Lark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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I'll take a full upper case "DUMBASS" for my use of "one" above.

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What were you trying to say? Were you saying he *won* a "dumbass" (award?)?

Yuppo

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Confusions rains...

At least he no longer "says"...

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(I gave you that one)

Can I sell it on ebay to pay my bills?

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Dumbass -

From: sport.guardian.co.uk0,10082,609912,00.htmlOpen ↗

I could not find any references to super-athletic flies.

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Dumbass -

From: sport.guardian.co.uk0,10082,609912,00.htmlOpen ↗

I could not find any references to super-athletic flies.

Dumbass -

I wasn't talking about super-athletic flies, persay, just that it will be possible to morph humans
into beings that most of us may consider to be non-human.

They can change genes in your body, system-wide, on the go, with those techniques. The genes of a
chimpanzee differ from a human by 2%.

BTW, genetic vaccines have been the subject of talk among the pro racers. Of course,
they're generally not happy about the prospect, although it doesn't seem like anyone is
suspected of it (yet).

here's more:

From: amnh.orgalike.htmlOpen ↗

Humans don't appear to have much in common with mice and worms. Yet within the cells of each are
genes, operating instructions made of DNA. Despite the differences among organisms-wings, leaves,
feet or fins-most share a surprising number of genes. Humans and one species of worm, for example,
share 21% of their genes; humans and mice share 90%. Scientists compare the genes of plants, animals
and humans primarily to learn more about ourselves.

Fruit fly36% Mouse90% Roundworm21% Yeast23% Thale cress15% Zebrafish85% E coli7% Chimp98% Rat90%

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