A recently published study from a university in Western Australia indicates that ten minutes of massage, a half-hour after heavy eccentric resistance training:
No significant difference in recovery time, though. It just makes it hurt less in the meantime.
Zainuddin Z, Newton M, Sacco P, Nosaka K. Effects of massage on delayed-onset muscle soreness, swelling, and recovery of muscle function. J Athl Train. 2005 Jul;40(3):174-80.
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A recently published study from a university in Western Australia indicates that ten minutes of massage, a half-hour after heavy eccentric resistance training:
No significant difference in recovery time, though. It just makes it hurt less in the meantime.
Zainuddin Z, Newton M, Sacco P, Nosaka K. Effects of massage on delayed-onset muscle soreness, swelling, and recovery of muscle function. J Athl Train. 2005 Jul;40(3):174-80.
Just thought I'd share that with you.
Great info thanks!!
David (Oz) "Concerned about being isolated to exchange short quips with Curt) (P.S. How is the trial going re Jan 1st??)
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A recently published study from a university in Western Australia indicates that ten minutes of massage, a half-hour after heavy eccentric resistance training:
No significant difference in recovery time, though. It just makes it hurt less in the meantime.
Zainuddin Z, Newton M, Sacco P, Nosaka K. Effects of massage on delayed-onset muscle soreness, swelling, and recovery of muscle function. J Athl Train. 2005 Jul;40(3):174-80.
Just thought I'd share that with you.
Jan 1st is on Sunday - is that when you will make your decision and if so will you announce it that day or the next day?
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:39:41 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>
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"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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A recently published study from a university in Western Australia indicates that ten minutes of massage, a half-hour after heavy eccentric resistance training:
No significant difference in recovery time, though. It just makes it hurt less in the meantime.
Zainuddin Z, Newton M, Sacco P, Nosaka K. Effects of massage on delayed-onset muscle soreness, swelling, and recovery of muscle function. J Athl Train. 2005 Jul;40(3):174-80.
Just thought I'd share that with you.
Great info thanks!!
David (Oz) "Concerned about being isolated to exchange short quips with Curt) (P.S. How is the trial going re Jan 1st??)
You are doing you're cause no good whatsoever by constantly provoking the great one, who holds your future in the palm of his powerful hands.
Easy up David, a lifetime in isolation swapping quips is a frightening prospect! ;o)
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:58:32 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>
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"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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A recently published study from a university in Western Australia indicates that ten minutes of massage, a half-hour after heavy eccentric resistance training:
No significant difference in recovery time, though. It just makes it hurt less in the meantime.
Zainuddin Z, Newton M, Sacco P, Nosaka K. Effects of massage on delayed-onset muscle soreness, swelling, and recovery of muscle function. J Athl Train. 2005 Jul;40(3):174-80.
Just thought I'd share that with you.
Jan 1st is on Sunday - is that when you will make your decision and if so will you announce it that day or the next day?
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:39:41 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>
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"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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A recently published study from a university in Western Australia indicates that ten minutes of massage, a half-hour after heavy eccentric resistance training:
No significant difference in recovery time, though. It just makes it hurt less in the meantime.
Zainuddin Z, Newton M, Sacco P, Nosaka K. Effects of massage on delayed-onset muscle soreness, swelling, and recovery of muscle function. J Athl Train. 2005 Jul;40(3):174-80.
Just thought I'd share that with you.
Great info thanks!!
David (Oz) "Concerned about being isolated to exchange short quips with Curt) (P.S. How is the trial going re Jan 1st??)
Correction:
You are doing your cause no good whatsoever by constantly provoking the great one, who holds your future in the palm of his powerful hands.
Easy up David, a lifetime in isolation swapping quips is a frightening prospect! ;o)
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:39:41 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>
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"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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A recently published study from a university in Western Australia indicates that ten minutes of massage, a half-hour after heavy eccentric resistance training:
No significant difference in recovery time, though. It just makes it hurt less in the meantime.
Zainuddin Z, Newton M, Sacco P, Nosaka K. Effects of massage on delayed-onset muscle soreness, swelling, and recovery of muscle function. J Athl Train. 2005 Jul;40(3):174-80.
Just thought I'd share that with you.
Great info thanks!!
David (Oz) "Concerned about being isolated to exchange short quips with Curt) (P.S. How is the trial going re Jan 1st??)
You are doing you're cause no good whatsoever by constantly provoking the great one, who holds your future in the palm of his powerful hands.
Easy up David, a lifetime in isolation swapping quips is a frightening prospect! ;o)
Yes, but even more of a concern is that we are talking only'short' quips.
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:58:32 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>
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"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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A recently published study from a university in Western Australia indicates that ten minutes of massage, a half-hour after heavy eccentric resistance training:
No significant difference in recovery time, though. It just makes it hurt less in the meantime.
Zainuddin Z, Newton M, Sacco P, Nosaka K. Effects of massage on delayed-onset muscle soreness, swelling, and recovery of muscle function. J Athl Train. 2005 Jul;40(3):174-80.
Just thought I'd share that with you.
Jan 1st is on Sunday - is that when you will make your decision and if so will you announce it that day or the next day?
A recently published study from a university in Western Australia indicates that ten minutes of massage, a half-hour after heavy eccentric resistance training:
No significant difference in recovery time, though. It just makes it hurt less in the meantime.
Zainuddin Z, Newton M, Sacco P, Nosaka K. Effects of massage on delayed-onset muscle soreness, swelling, and recovery of muscle function. J Athl Train. 2005 Jul;40(3):174-80.
Just thought I'd share that with you.
Interesting - it's been discussed here many times that not much of anything works with DOMS except maybe contrast baths but this has always felt wrong to me. The perceived benefit of massage seemed much too much to be purely psychological.
A recently published study from a university in Western Australia indicates that ten minutes of massage, a half-hour after heavy eccentric resistance training:
A recently published study from a university in Western Australia indicates that ten minutes of massage, a half-hour after heavy eccentric resistance training:
No significant difference in recovery time, though. It just makes it hurt less in the meantime.
I see a great franchise business opportunity: Fitness Bunny DOMS Reduction Service.
I wonder how many people that post here actually do heavy eccentric resistance training as part of their workouts? Equally, I wonder how many of the same people even consider, or have the time for massage, as part of their regular fitness routines?
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Ten minutes to decreased pain, $30.
Nice work if you can get it; may I do all the dolly birds - at a much reduced rate if necessary (even zilch perhaps)?
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Happy ending, additional.
Satisfaction guaranteed; it's a hands on application, so we can rub our hands with glee, and put our fingers on the problem perhaps. Hopefully it won't cause to much friction among us chums here, and we can massage a few egos at the same time. No knead to get too deep or concerned though.
A recently published study from a university in Western Australia indicates that ten minutes of massage, a half-hour after heavy eccentric resistance training:
No significant difference in recovery time, though. It just makes it hurt less in the meantime.
Zainuddin Z, Newton M, Sacco P, Nosaka K. Effects of massage on delayed-onset muscle soreness, swelling, and recovery of muscle function. J Athl Train. 2005 Jul;40(3):174-80.
Just thought I'd share that with you.
Interesting - it's been discussed here many times that not much of anything works with DOMS except maybe contrast baths but this has always felt wrong to me. The perceived benefit of massage seemed much too much to be purely psychological.
Until I read this one, most studies did implicate that massage had no effect or an uncertain effect. Although plasma CK is a less-than-perfect marker for trauma from eccentric exercise, it does show some quantifiable physiological effect.
Until I read this one, most studies did implicate that massage had no effect or an uncertain effect. Although plasma CK is a less-than-perfect marker for trauma from eccentric exercise, it does show some quantifiable physiological effect.
Here's the thing: apparently no one even knows exactly what causes DOMS? Supposedly multi-factorial which makes things harder again. How reliable can physiological studies BE when then don't really know what to look for?
Maybe there is a good case with DOMS for "if it feels good, do it". As (again, presumably) DOMS has little to no correlation with actual recovery per se, then its main drawback is the (perceived) soreness which can make working out difficult. Ergo anything that helps reduce the (perceived) soreness has to be a good thing?
No?
....or, hmmm, is DOMS nature's way of telling us to quit bugging a muscle for a while? Maybe reducing the pain whilst not actually doing anything to enhance recovery is a bad thing?
Ah what the hell. Cohen - how much extra for the happy ending?
Until I read this one, most studies did implicate that massage had no effect or an uncertain effect. Although plasma CK is a less-than-perfect marker for trauma from eccentric exercise, it does show some quantifiable physiological effect.
Here's the thing: apparently no one even knows exactly what causes DOMS? Supposedly multi-factorial which makes things harder again. How reliable can physiological studies BE when then don't really know what to look for?
"It is difficult to explain how massage reduces DOMS, because no authors have yet described the effects of massage on cellular events or pathophysiologic changes in the muscle or connective tissue after eccentric exercise. Increasing blood flow appears to be a major consequence of massage.[Citation omitted] Increases in blood and lymph flow may enhance removal of pain substrates that start to accumulate in the injured area, reducing edema. * * * "Our findings of reduced muscle swelling in the massage condition may support the concept of an ameliorated inflammatory response after treatment, as does the smaller CK efflux observed. Because we did not measure direct indicators of inflammation, it is not possible to state that the severity of DOMS is linked to the processes of inflammation and/or subsequent muscle edema. Further study is necessary to investigate how massage affects the inflammatory responses induced by eccentric exercise."
Zainuddin Z, Newton M, Sacco P, Nosaka K. Effects of massage on delayed-onset muscle soreness, swelling, and recovery of muscle function. J Athl Train. 2005 Jul;40(3):174-80, 179.
"It is difficult to explain how massage reduces DOMS, because no authors have yet described the effects of massage on cellular events or pathophysiologic changes in the muscle or connective tissue after eccentric exercise. Increasing blood flow appears to be a major consequence of massage.[Citation omitted] Increases in blood and lymph flow may enhance removal of pain substrates that start to accumulate in the injured area, reducing edema. * * * "Our findings of reduced muscle swelling in the massage condition may support the concept of an ameliorated inflammatory response after treatment, as does the smaller CK efflux observed. Because we did not measure direct indicators of inflammation, it is not possible to state that the severity of DOMS is linked to the processes of inflammation and/or subsequent muscle edema. Further study is necessary to investigate how massage affects the inflammatory responses induced by eccentric exercise."
Isn't that what I just said? :-)
Yeah, I know, I should read the damn article already.
"It is difficult to explain how massage reduces DOMS, because no authors have yet described the effects of massage on cellular events or pathophysiologic changes in the muscle or connective tissue after eccentric exercise. Increasing blood flow appears to be a major consequence of massage.[Citation omitted] Increases in blood and lymph flow may enhance removal of pain substrates that start to accumulate in the injured area, reducing edema. * * * "Our findings of reduced muscle swelling in the massage condition may support the concept of an ameliorated inflammatory response after treatment, as does the smaller CK efflux observed. Because we did not measure direct indicators of inflammation, it is not possible to state that the severity of DOMS is linked to the processes of inflammation and/or subsequent muscle edema. Further study is necessary to investigate how massage affects the inflammatory responses induced by eccentric exercise."
Isn't that what I just said? :-)
Yeah, I know, I should read the damn article already.
A recently published study from a university in Western Australia indicates that ten minutes of massage, a half-hour after heavy eccentric resistance training:
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Until I read this one, most studies did implicate that massage had no effect or an uncertain effect. Although plasma CK is a less-than-perfect marker for trauma from eccentric exercise, it does show some quantifiable physiological effect.
I wondered about that, because it seems unlikely you'd be able to conduct a double-blind test. ("No, no, that isn't massage you're getting, forget we ever did that!"😉
I think it's interesting the time frame they put on it. Why half an hour? And half an hour after what: the one lift that is likely to cause DOMS, or half an hour after you finish working out (even if the lift causing DOMS was at the beginning of a 45 minute workout?)
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:57:42 -0500, JMW <[email hidden]> wrote:
>A recently published study from a university in Western Australia >indicates that ten minutes of massage, a half-hour after heavy >eccentric resistance training:
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Until I read this one, most studies did implicate that massage had no effect or an uncertain effect. Although plasma CK is a less-than-perfect marker for trauma from eccentric exercise, it does show some quantifiable physiological effect.
I wondered about that, because it seems unlikely you'd be able to conduct a double-blind test. ("No, no, that isn't massage you're getting, forget we ever did that!"😉
I think it's interesting the time frame they put on it. Why half an hour? And half an hour after what: the one lift that is likely to cause DOMS, or half an hour after you finish working out (even if the lift causing DOMS was at the beginning of a 45 minute workout?)
"We also found that massage intervention reduced soreness more than 30% compared with the control. This suggests that a massage performed postexercise but before DOMS develops can alleviate soreness, no matter how the massage is performed." (p. 179)
A recently published study from a university in Western Australia indicates that ten minutes of massage, a half-hour after heavy eccentric resistance training:
No significant difference in recovery time, though. It just makes it hurt less in the meantime.
Zainuddin Z, Newton M, Sacco P, Nosaka K. Effects of massage on delayed-onset muscle soreness, swelling, and recovery of muscle function. J Athl Train. 2005 Jul;40(3):174-80.
Just thought I'd share that with you.
Please stop sharing. Please just repost the troll faq.
A recently published study from a university in Western Australia indicates that ten minutes of massage, a half-hour after heavy eccentric resistance training:
No significant difference in recovery time, though. It just makes it hurt less in the meantime.
Zainuddin Z, Newton M, Sacco P, Nosaka K. Effects of massage on delayed-onset muscle soreness, swelling, and recovery of muscle function. J Athl Train. 2005 Jul;40(3):174-80.
Just thought I'd share that with you.
Please stop sharing. Please just repost the troll faq.
